MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: andyp on September 15, 2014, 09:01:32 pm
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I need two new fronts, however slightly puzzled with the ratings on the car currently. Front. Two are Y rating (Pirelli) and the ones on back (different make) are W rating. Is it best to stick with how it is at the moment or change the fronts to a W rating to match the rears.
Cheers
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Depends what the manufacturers factory fit tyre rating was. If it had W rated from new then W rated (or better) is what you need. If it had Y rated from the factory the you cannot fit W rated tyres. We;;, you can if you wish, but your insurance will most likely be invalid in the event of an accident.
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W is 168 mph and Y is 186 mph... Both exceed the cars requirement.
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So whats the difference with these two then bar price??
http://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/pirelli/pzero/225/40/R18/Y/92/m?returnurl=%2forder%2ftyres%3f%26width%3d225%26profile%3d40%26rim%3d18%26speed%3dY%26minpricerange%3d0%26maxpricerange%3d0%26viewmanufacturer%3dpirelli%26displayall%3d6&tyre=13358878
http://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/pirelli/pzero/225/40/R18/Y/92/m?returnurl=%2forder%2ftyres%3f%26width%3d225%26profile%3d40%26rim%3d18%26speed%3dY%26minpricerange%3d0%26maxpricerange%3d0%26viewmanufacturer%3dpirelli%26displayall%3d6&tyre=30964343
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Dunno, is one a runflat? (avoid)
Wouldn't buy either.
Eagle F1 AS2: £82 (just had some delivered)
Vreds Sessanta: £72
Michelin Pilot Super Sport: Around £100
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Your payin more for the one with mo cox it's mercy fitment y not try a tyre call cooper cs sport they excellent and I work with tyres and tried many different makes and I like the coopers
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W is 168 mph and Y is 186 mph... Both exceed the cars requirement.
Depends on the car. As I recall the Mk5 R32 is a Y rated tyre, and I'm not certain but some people have said they had Y rated tyres from new on the Ed 30.
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The tyres don't have to be Pirelli, it's only because they are on the car at the moment. If the michelins are a better tyre and cheaper then that's all good, first time in buying 'bigger' tyres rather than the usual ones for 15/16 inch wheels of which I've been so used to in the past.
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W is 168 mph and Y is 186 mph... Both exceed the cars requirement.
You should fail an MOT if you fit tyres with a speed rating with a maximum rating lower than the claimed maximum speed of the car ,heard stories years ago about police stopping a cossie and impounding it because cars top speed exceeded the rating on the tyres which don't really make any sense as the speed limits 70 Max , and how are remolds legal I know their speed rated now but when this happened you could get remolds rated at 85 Max
Having written this down I think the key work might be story! Any MOT testers or police confirm this is right or not
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W rating is fine
Michelin Pilot sport 3s on camskil £94 each delivered, in my oppinion best tyre out there for all round road use and those ones are Y rated too :happy2:
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I'm not arguing that they're not fine. What I'm arguing is that if you fit and use tyres with a lower speed / load rating than the type approved factory fit tyres then your insurance company will happily reject any insurance claim which they believe could have been compounded by the reduced capability of those tyres.
And I'm not going to resort to shouting to make a point, just confirm it with your insurers if you wish to reduce the tyre specifications.... :happy2:
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I'm not arguing that they're not fine. What I'm arguing is that if you fit and use tyres with a lower speed / load rating than the type approved factory fit tyres then your insurance company will happily reject any insurance claim which they believe could have been compounded by the reduced capability of those tyres.
And I'm not going to resort to shouting to make a point, just confirm it with your insurers if you wish to reduce the tyre specifications.... :happy2:
I can see the safety argument your insurers could make for the load rating, but the speed rating doesn't imply that a higher speed rated tyre is safer at legal speeds than a lower rated tyre.
Ps: I wouldn't personally go with a lower rating, but there are plenty of GTIs and other performance cars out there being run on a shoestring with bargain tyres.
Also worth noting, the MOT is only looking at condition and wear of your tyres. The MOT regs don't mandate speed rating compliance with manufacturers specs.
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The Goodyear ass2 seem to be a better grade fuel wise also than the Michelin ones.. And same price, this does help diff ones being suggested as it's always good to hear people's views regarding these
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I'm not arguing that they're not fine. What I'm arguing is that if you fit and use tyres with a lower speed / load rating than the type approved factory fit tyres then your insurance company will happily reject any insurance claim which they believe could have been compounded by the reduced capability of those tyres.
And I'm not going to resort to shouting to make a point, just confirm it with your insurers if you wish to reduce the tyre specifications.... :happy2:
This is a MK5 Golf GTI Forum, primarily; hence the naming convention, thoughts and opinions are kept to spec. (usually)… your thoughts, ARE, although warranted for the wider market, secondary to the thread and OP. I’m sure you realise this. VOTE YES.
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GTI's are meant to have 225/40/18 92Y XL as standard.
Michelin recommend the PSS now and are £150 fitted at Costco but before then they said PS3's as they are £107 fitted at Costco (at the moment you get a £30 voucher on 2 tyres and £70 on 4 tyres).
Or there's the assy 2 from good year you can get for sub £100 or the vreds are a good mid range tyre.
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I'm not arguing that they're not fine. What I'm arguing is that if you fit and use tyres with a lower speed / load rating than the type approved factory fit tyres then your insurance company will happily reject any insurance claim which they believe could have been compounded by the reduced capability of those tyres.
And I'm not going to resort to shouting to make a point, just confirm it with your insurers if you wish to reduce the tyre specifications.... :happy2:
This is a MK5 Golf GTI Forum, primarily; hence the naming convention, thoughts and opinions are kept to spec. (usually)… your thoughts, ARE, although warranted for the wider market, secondary to the thread and OP. I’m sure you realise this. VOTE YES.
Given that the OP didn't actually state what car he has (irrespective of what the forum primarily bases itself upon) it would be foolish to assume.
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GTI's are meant to have 225/40/18 92Y XL as standard.
Michelin recommend the PSS now and are £150 fitted at Costco but before then they said PS3's as they are £107 fitted at Costco (at the moment you get a £30 voucher on 2 tyres and £70 on 4 tyres).
Or there's the assy 2 from good year you can get for sub £100 or the vreds are a good mid range tyre.
Why thankyou sir... :happy2:
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Go on any tyre site (kwik fit/black circle/ etc) and type your reg number in and it will give you a 17" and 18" option, for 18's its 225/45/18 92y XL. They know this as this is what the manufacturer fit as standard at the factory. Insurance companies also get this data from the manufacturer so if you are involved in an accident and do not have the correct speed rating tyres fitted then technically your insurance IS void regardless to whether you car can achieve the speed rating on your tyres or not.
It all comes down to what is specified by the car manufacturer not the speed the car is capable of.
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That's down to you but insurance, police etc will take what the manufacturer states as standard equipment in the event of a claim or accident. And standard equipment is what it comes off the production line with, anything else is classed as a modification so you would have to declare it to your insurers as many do on here with winter tyres etc. I'm sure it also states in the owners hand book the tyres required.
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Anything that deviates from the manufactures standard fit equipment basically would invalidate your insurance. Whether or not they would pick up on that in the event of a claim or not I wouldn't know but if they did want to get out of it they could.
Also fitting 45 profile rather than 40 would alter the radius of your wheels and could/would change the speedo reading as it has not been calibrated for them tyres
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Insurence companies use it as it's the data they get from the manufacturer so in our case VW. I'll check the hand book when I get back tonight as I'm sure it's states the correct tyre sizes in there
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Apologies for not putting the motor in the first post.... 55 plate gti
So michelins or good years seem to be the choice to go for sub £100?
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I've only looked on the usual tyre sites, wasn't aware there were more about!
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Loads about, new ones seem to pop up all the time:
Gone up a quid or so since I bought them but: http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Goodyear-Eagle-F1-Asymmetric-2/225-40-18
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It's definitely not 45, you know yourself mate, what I'm getting at is that if the insurance companies are using that same data then it's incorrect.
What's interesting is that you can get winter wheels and tyres from VW:
205/55 R16 H
H speed rating, which could be fitted at factory, where the hell does that put us all? :rolleye:
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Either way I'm using Y XL, lol.
But my winters are V rated.
In my first post in this thread I stated the size 225/40/18 92Y XL not 45, unless I've typo'd somewhere else since replying in this thread, which will explain this 45 thing (if so apologies for not realising and being a tit :happy2: ). But insurers, tyre manufactures, tyre dealers will have the correct size in their database for each model of car, sometimes a few if there was different wheel options available for that model, so on the gti there will be the 17 & 18 sizes.
I agree with the whole winter wheel thing, it's been discussed before on here as some insurers will increase premiums or refuse to insure as it is deviating from manufacturers spec as they just go by what the computer says, where as others are fine with it and understand winter tyres. Trouble is winter tyres are not really common place over here so some insurers don't really understand them (that's changing now). It just comes down to covering your arse as some insurers will do anything to get out of a claim.
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Mine has Michelin ps3 92W all round, rated to 168mph, good enough for me :happy2:
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Mine has Michelin ps3 92W all round, rated to 168mph, good enough for me :happy2:
but as it turns out likely to be a potential insurance issue, as crazy as that is, esp. considering the winter tyre rating. :chicken:
Honestly cant see it being an issue at all mate
Have personally known people to have a claim go through with far worse issues than a tyre rating, for example undeclared wheels/exhausts and even the log book in wrong name :laugh:
Have family/friend ls heavily involved in the insurance industry and even they share the same oppinion as myself and my local tyre depot, still same width, height, 92 etc only the speed rating differs at W being 168mph instead of Y = 186mph, car is capable of 146mph from factory and she is completely standard
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Some people are lucky. Others not so, as the old gentleman who bought a second hand car found out. When he was involved in an accident and they found that the car had an aftermarket air filter fitted, they refused his claim...
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il take my chances :laugh:
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what are michelin pilot sport 3's like as a tyre? as finally got 5 mins to order them tonight.. blackcircles are doing them for 115 pounds fitted, slightly confused with the cheaper price that there is also on love tyres..
http://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/michelin/pilot-sport-3/225/40/R18/Y/92/f?returnurl=%2forder%2ftyres%3f&tyre=21574968
http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Michelin-Pilot-Sport-3/225-40-18
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what are michelin pilot sport 3's like as a tyre? as finally got 5 mins to order them tonight..
The ps3 are a fantastic tyre mate the best road tyre in my oppinion, also had them on my focus Rs etc too
My 2 fronts are a 92Y and Rears 92W :grin:
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Ok, cool, im going to order the ones from blackcircles then at 115 pounds fitted. Rather than faff about trying to get them say a fiver cheaper etc
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what are michelin pilot sport 3's like as a tyre? as finally got 5 mins to order them tonight.. blackcircles are doing them for 115 pounds fitted, slightly confused with the cheaper price that there is also...
I'd rate them the same as AS2's which can be had for £82 delivered.
The Pilot Super Sport are meant to be a step up from PS3 / As2 / vReds
Ive got PS3's on mine and they are great. Goodyear assy 2's are meant to be slightly better but PSS are meant to be the true succesor to the PS2.
Costco are doing PS3's £107 fitted with £30 voucher to spend in store for 2 tyres and £70 voucher for 4. PSS are £157 fitted with the same voucher options.
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that link is for 205x45x 17" pilot super sports, not 225x45x17"