MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: toosmiles on September 22, 2014, 11:48:38 am
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im always iffing n arring about this!
now most of you know it takes alot of money to get upto this including good chassis and brakes,at a rough guide at my spec say £8,000 without labour costs,so thats some good money
now im thinking of wmi then diff if i decide on doing more track days then possibly new turbo?
yes its fwd,and it spins up alot but do you give it the beans to do this all the time?
i drive mine sedately and with the extra power could easily 'tame' it,im no advanced driver either so would 4wd be of any benefit?
im thinking of a new car say golf R 10 plate good nick say £19-20,000 then going stage 2+ eventually so thats another say 8k + similar labour costs to get the same power but with a bit more traction for when your hoofing it around your local bumpy streets? erm no!
would that be even worth it?
my track times only a smidge better?
it would also be cheaper for me to buy an evo 10 with big power to trance it for that price lol
just wondering on other peoples thoughts before ploughing a bit more money into mine lol :happy2:
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I would think hard before you worry about getting a diff.
I don't personally think you need them on the road...my old Golf had 365lb ft of torque and that was fine.
This golf is unknown but about 260bhp and 340lb ft and doesn't need one either...
4wd is a lot of money and hassle involving permanent modifications to your floorplan by means of cutting out the boot floor!
New gearboxes, prop shafts etc.
I've seen the hardware go for ~£1000 but the fitting and costs are intense and knowing you'd NEVER get that money back...
Wouldn't bother personally.
Out of the 2 go for a diff.
Also prefer FWD to Haldex it feels more pure.
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I would think hard before you worry about getting a diff.
I don't personally think you need them on the road...my old Golf had 365lb ft of torque and that was fine.
This golf is unknown but about 260bhp and 340lb ft and doesn't need one either...
4wd is a lot of money and hassle involving permanent modifications to your floorplan by means of cutting out the boot floor!
New gearboxes, prop shafts etc.
I've seen the hardware go for ~£1000 but the fitting and costs are intense and knowing you'd NEVER get that money back...
Wouldn't bother personally.
Out of the 2 go for a diff.
Also prefer FWD to Haldex it feels more pure.
cheers jay ;)
dont think id like to cut the car up lol,it would have to be a change of car for 4wd
its ive put alot of time and money into mine now but keep getting put off by people saying dont bother with big power in fwd?
i had an evo 8 beforehand and didnt get any benefit out of the 4wd system at all
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I might be wrong but I've seen a few write ups where they're cutting out the boot floor.
It's not a "big" job as it's all bolt on providing you know what you're doing... Alex has done a few of them.
I would rather spend the money on super sticky tyres and polybushing the whole car IMO as that would give you more benefit. Only time the 4wd really helps is doing hard wet acceleration from low speeds or when you start really chucking the car about (sliding it and so forth) which you aren't going to do on the road.
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mk_boy85 did this to a GTI, it does involve cutting out the spare wheel housing to raise the boot floor to allow for the rear axle and running gear. As Jay said, a diff is the better way to go, as the 4wd Haldex system will add over 100kg in weight! Plus, you can easily sell a gearbox with a LSD to swap to 4wd if you do change your mind, but selling a 4wd GTI may be more difficult!
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I might be wrong but I've seen a few write ups where they're cutting out the boot floor.
It's not a "big" job as it's all bolt on providing you know what you're doing... Alex has done a few of them.
I would rather spend the money on super sticky tyres and polybushing the whole car IMO as that would give you more benefit. Only time the 4wd really helps is doing hard wet acceleration from low speeds or when you start really chucking the car about (sliding it and so forth) which you aren't going to do on the road.
excellent reply jay,probably what i wanted to know
ill do the rest of the polybushing next then,ive got federal rsrs for my track tyres atm but with the winter coming along ill put my goodyear eagle f1 assy 2's on :happy2:
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mk_boy85 did this to a GTI, it does involve cutting out the spare wheel housing to raise the boot floor to allow for the rear axle and running gear. As Jay said, a diff is the better way to go, as the 4wd Haldex system will add over 100kg in weight! Plus, you can easily sell a gearbox with a LSD to swap to 4wd if you do change your mind, but selling a 4wd GTI may be more difficult!
cheers for the input m8 :happy2:
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So next on your list !
Fully polybush
Diff
Sticky tyres
bigger turbo
then buy the golf R :rolleye:
Most parts would also fit on to the R :party:
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So next on your list !
Fully polybush
Diff
Sticky tyres
bigger turbo
then buy the golf R :rolleye:
Most parts would also fit on to the R :party:
:P
thats what im thinking of though m8,i dont wanna plough more money into this then go buy another car to start all over again :stupid:
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Ive thought about it all too matey, I just cant bring myself to sell the golf... I have enjoyed every min of tunning/modding, the experience alone has been great...
But to have to strip it all down, sell what is not needed, sell the car buy an R, and start all over again.... :rolleye: Bonkers !
4x4 was on my list of things to do, but it has been marked of the list, til i get really bored...
The diff makes a big difference, just takes awhile to get used to, or grow the gonads to put it to good use :driver: The bushes give the brand new car felling only better :evilgrin:
How much more power is needed for FWD cars, take a look at pikeys car he is pushing near 600bhp, :jumping: crazy in my eyes, but it just goes to show what really is possible for FWD GTI's...
How far would you like to go ? :innocent:
Then how far would you push the R?
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Ive thought about it all too matey, I just cant bring myself to sell the golf... I have enjoyed every min of tunning/modding, the experience alone has been great...
But to have to strip it all down, sell what is not needed, sell the car buy an R, and start all over again.... :rolleye: Bonkers !
4x4 was on my list of things to do, but it has been marked of the list, til i get really bored...
The diff makes a big difference, just takes awhile to get used to, or grow the gonads to put it to good use :driver: The bushes give the brand new car felling only better :evilgrin:
How much more power is needed for FWD cars, take a look at pikeys car he is pushing near 600bhp, :jumping: crazy in my eyes, but it just goes to show what really is possible for FWD GTI's...
How far would you like to go ? :innocent:
Then how far would you push the R?
hit the nail on the head there m8 :wink:
its been a pleasure to get the car where it is + i aint got the money to start all over again
ill focus on the other bits then look into another turbo
what tyres you running m8 or would recommend?
cheers
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You seem to have the tyre situ sorted until you try or drive on others it would be hard to put them to the test, I run Goodyear eagle f1 assy 2's or toyos T1R's I think the toyo T1R's have to be one of the best road driving tyres about, the only thing is, they dont last as long as other tyre brads, but we have to give a little to take some back ! :innocent:
When you park your car up, do you still have a wee look back at it ? :evilgrin:
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You seem to have the tyre situ sorted until you try or drive on others it would be hard to put them to the test, I run Goodyear eagle f1 assy 2's or toyos T1R's I think the toyo T1R's have to be one of the best road driving tyres about, the only thing is, they dont last as long as other tyre brads, but we have to give a little to take some back ! :innocent:
When you park your car up, do you still have a wee look back at it ? :evilgrin:
cheers pal
i do look m8 :ashamed:
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You still got the love for it then :love:
:signLOL:
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I ran a quaiffe LSD when I was running 344 bhp with around 330-350ftlb of torque and it was on its limit I thought that's why I went Haldex as I'm aiming for 500 bhp.
In regards to the hardware and job itself it's not that hard, I'd cut my spare wheel well out,welded a flat plate in installed the gearbox, prop, prop mounts new tank abs unit, yaw module and rear cradle with around 3-4 days here and there. The hardware is the easy part it's the wiring it think but Alex at Aks has done mine and made a great job. When you look at all the big performance cars none of them are fwd and that's for a reason how i see it
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i remember alex talking about it too me m8
its just that i dont do any launches or traffic jam races and like pikeys car once rolling it'll keep up no problems with 4wd
it does make me think everytime i put money into mine to make it better,would id be better off 4wd/new car for 'just' a little exta traction for eveyday use?
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It solely depends on what your going to use it for. Mine is dedicated to racing so I need as much traction as possible.
I wish I'd have done an s3 would have been far easier but where's the fun in that. It's not that expensive to do the 4wd either I have £800-900 in mine in parts. Same price as a diff fitted with new bolts
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It solely depends on what your going to use it for. Mine is dedicated to racing so I need as much traction as possible.
I wish I'd have done an s3 would have been far easier but where's the fun in that. It's not that expensive to do the 4wd either I have £800-900 in mine in parts. Same price as a diff fitted with new bolts
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agree m8,mines for an everyday car really but more track days to come :wink:
i cant get a diff for £800 with new bolts never mind labour to fit it lol
ill look into someone doing a 4wd conversion,what car did you get the parts from m8?
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I used s3 and r32. Just make sure you get an s3 gearbox as an r32 doesn't have the right housing for our engine. There's always parts about if you bide your time.
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Im 50/50 the in gear straight line speed loss puts me off, on track at speed through corners it handles the power well in the corners, but combe has fast corners, on a twisty track where 2nd gear is used alot it may struggle alot more.. once you learn the car with a well setup chassis its alot of fun, dont get me wrong its a handfull what hatchback wouldnt be with over 500hp, wotbox launches would be good fun but it doesnt really tempt me atm, i am more aining at fitting 255/265 r888 atm
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I have stage 2+ R and it only cost me £1700 extra to get it there mate. My only real treat was my wheels (extra of course)
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There is a 35kmile, 3dr 2010 golf R DSG with full stage 2+ mods already fitted for sale on the R Forum for £20k. A LOT of car for the money........
VW GOLF R DSG 2010
3DR WHITE
MOT 1 YEAR
35K MILES
FULL VW SERVICE HISTORY
2X GENUINE VW KEYS
1 PREVIOUS OWNER
19" BLACK TALLADEGA ALLOYS - BRIDGESTONE POTENZA TYRES
BLACK VIENNA LEATHER HEATED SPORTS SEATS
PARKING SENSORS FRONT AND REAR
FACTORY SAT NAV + MEDIA SLOTS + BLUETOOTH HANDS FREE
DUAL ZONE CLIMATE CONTROL AND AIR CONDITIONING
SUN ROOF
**MODS**
NORTECH 3.5" RACE DOWNPIPE
NORTECH 200CELL SPORTS CAT
NORTECH 3" CAT BACK SYSTEM WITH TITANIUM TIPS
LOBA HIGH PRES FUEL PUMP
EVOMS INDUCTION KIT
FORGE FRONT MOUNT INTERCOOLER
TURBOSMART RECIRC DIVERTOR VALVE
GIAC STG 2 DSG REMAP ( STATLLER POWER DEVELOPMENTS )
GIAC STG 2 ENGINE REMAP 340BHP 425FTLB ( STATLLER PWR DEVELO )
H&R LOWERING SPRINGS
FERODO DS2500 FRONT PADS
AUDI TTS ENGINE COVER - CARBON DIPPED INSERTS
HEKO WIND DEFLECTORS
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Thanks John for making my decision worse lol
The R sounds very tempting,I'd still need to spend a few grand on better suspension and brakes though,that's why at my spec everything is covered bar a bigger turbo
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Simply NO
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I have this same debate every day to myself. I have a stage 2+ eddy and it only does about 1000 a year due to cycling to work. I'm going to be hitting it hard as a track car over winter to get it set up and it's in process of chasing 500-600 hp as the close to 400 doesnt thrill me any more. Then I think shall I buy an R and start again??? I've concluded to hit the edition hard and get some big figures outof her, and I brought a R for the misus. :) at least that way I don't drive it so I don't get tempted to play with it.