MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: byron on October 02, 2014, 11:02:30 pm
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What do you think, time is right to swap my car, but is it really worth it. Love my mk5 gti, it's an 08 dsg 47k on the clock, 5 door full leather. But the question is do a swap it for a new one, or spend money on few bits for mine? Pretty low miles well spec'd up car.
Debating a new golf R,or a new 3 series. 3 series would had to be a boring diesel! :driver:
Any opinions will be highly valued :wink:
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A Mk7 R would be a HUGE upgrade over your Mk5. Take one for a test drive, they are pretty serious by all accounts.
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At the end of the day it's your choice depending on situation etc ect. For me personally I don't see a MK7 R / 3 series being worth 20k + more than a MK5 GTI as nice as the MK7 R's are. Are you planning on buying or leasing? I think spending a few £££'s would freshen and liven your car up a bit, maybe a remap/ intake/ exhaust for some nice power gains and extra noise and a new set of wheels and an enhancement detail to really clean up the outside.
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I was thinking about a remap anyway (if I keep) and solace literally round the corner do the power valve exhaust! Yeh prob a pcp I'd think, not sure there are many people with cash about to go and buy cars like that, are there? Haha
Don't think if change the look on mine, already got grey monzas that look smart as imo. Any other little exterior upgrades only little things mind!
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Yeh not too many people with enough money to walk in and buy one. Sounds to me like you're stuck in the same position most people get into, don't want to sell your old car but need a change/ upgrade as hard as it is its probably time to move onto a better car. As above take one for a test drive and that'll probably make your mind up, I didn't want to change but as soon as I drove my GTI I knew I had to have it.
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Ahhhh this dilemma has been on my mind for few weeks! Keep looking at the mk7 R and can easily afford to do a lease/pcp plan on one but just dont know if i can justify all the money!
Got some really good finance pcp packages available on them at moment which makes it harder to resist!
My local Chester dealership have 2 in stock so may go test drive one this weekend :jumpmove:
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Ps it has to be the R if you make the move as personally its not worth it for a new Gti! Not really any quicker and its only my oppinion but the mk5 is actually a better looking car! Dare i say it but possibly the Best looking golf so far :evilgrin:
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That's the move I made, Golf Edition 30 to MK7 R, I will let you know how I get on, picking it up next Saturday.
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biiiiiiig bucks on that change? If you have the pennies and nothing else on your want list then go for it :-)
If you don't then maybe spend some (much) smaller pennies on nice improvements to yours and put money in the bank?????
(ps, Im old and sensible (ish) so feel free to discount my advice :innocent: :happy2: :happy2:
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Leasing or buying?
Cheapest I've seen the 7R is about £28k new, and probably poverty spec. with no DSG.
You're probably going to chuck a good £22k on the exchange, which is quite a bit to have sat on the driveway depreciating... I honestly beleive there will be a load of cheap'ish 7R's in two years with all the lease deals that were flying about on them; so may not get what you're expecting for it come 3 years or so.
That said, it's all relative, if you can afford it and want it, go for it - YoLo :happy2:
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The deals ive spoken to chester dealership about are a set monthly payment for 2 or 3 years (your choice) then either hand car back and step into another brand newy or pay it off and keep it (refinance it)
One option was £6,995 deposit and £179 a month for 3 years or my mate says they offered him £1,495 deposit and £239 a month for 2 years both with huge final payments of around 18k on a limited mileage or around 8-10k a year!
Think im going to leave it to be honest as although my 57 plate Gti is only worth around 7.5-8k atleast its mine and all paid for etc
Mk7 R looks a hell of a motor on paper though and if Clarkson gives good review on next series of top gear its bound to boost popularity!
Maybe buy one in about 3 years time when can get one for reasonable money!
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Probably a good move, no doubt you'll get one for sub 20k in a few years, a decent spec one is about 33k now? That's too much money to lose tbh.
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I'd played with the idea of a brand new mk7 GTI, R or Rocco of some sort, and there's many things to tempt me in. Like being able to choose the exact spec I want from the start, warranty cover, no MOT for 3 years, and many other smaller positives.
But the final outlay for going to a brand new car is a lot of money. Money I can spend making my mk5 the exact spec car I want. This has the added bonus of being able to have things that maybe aren't available on a new mk7 GTI (for example, Recaro bucket seats). I can effectively re-build my mk5 GTI, with more power and comforts/toys and have change left from what I would have to pay to own a mk7 GTI/R or something.
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I'd played with the idea of a brand new mk7 GTI, R or Rocco of some sort, and there's many things to tempt me in. Like being able to choose the exact spec I want from the start, warranty cover, no MOT for 3 years, and many other smaller positives.
But the final outlay for going to a brand new car is a lot of money. Money I can spend making my mk5 the exact spec car I want. This has the added bonus of being able to have things that maybe aren't available on a new mk7 GTI (for example, Recaro bucket seats). I can effectively re-build my mk5 GTI, with more power and comforts/toys and have change left from what I would have to pay to own a mk7 GTI/R or something.
Just the thought of hastle free motoring and 0-60 in 4.9 seconds that attracted me mate :laugh:
Somehow the R is also £105 a year less on road tax than a mk5 gti and has a combined mpg of 40.9 which is preety astonishing for a 300bhp hatch :rolleye:
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Realistically you get about MPG the same out of a 7R as you do from an Edition 30 (35mpg on a run)
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If you look at it in terms of pure performance, a mk5 GTI will always lag behind a mk7 R in most respects but that doesn't bother me. Every time I get into my mk5 I realise the dream of owning one when I was 16 has been for filled.
That, and after watching reviews online that puts a mk7 R against the new Seat Leon Cupra FR, unless you need the 4wd, the Seat is the better choice. Both have the same power, can both go like stink but the Leon has 100kg less weight to pull around.
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This is the thing, my mk5 is brilliant, as I say it has a brilliant spec, would never have bought a five door before, but it's brilliant! Only thing it could do with is sat nav and cruise control.
Just as someone said earlier in the post it's a dilemma or swapping it for something new.
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You can fit a stereo with sat nav so it's all OEM pretty easy, and retro fitting cruise control is a common modification too. I'd vote for keeping the mk5 and maybe buying an R in a few years when the market gets flooded with all the lease companies parting with theirs.
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Still think the 5 rewards the driver more then the 7 does, The 7 is good as in terms of step foward in technology, but the mk5 still is a decent drive and I still prefer it over the mk6 in looks and driver feel.
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Mk7 R's look a lovely car but issues such as turbo failures with countless revisions and clutches slipping on standard manual cars for me would be a big cause for concern...
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Mk7 R's look a lovely car but issues such as turbo failures with countless revisions and clutches slipping on standard manual cars for me would be a big cause for concern...
Well i never knew any of that! :sick:
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The Mk5 is a great car and I miss mine. I've realised since selling it they are actually well ahead of their time. Far better than anything else that was on the market at the same time, and still competitive against todays offerings. Still the same underpinnings and a similar engine to you'd get in a new Scirocco R for example.
Mk7 R's look a lovely car but issues such as turbo failures with countless revisions and clutches slipping on standard manual cars for me would be a big cause for concern...
Well i never knew any of that! :sick:
Wouldn't be a cause of concern for me, that's the whole point of having a new car as any nonsense is covered by warranty!
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7R Lease now £170 per month - 10k p/a - 24 months :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
http://www.nationalvehiclesolutions.co.uk/Volkswagen-Golf-GOLF-5DR-2.0-TSI-R-Business-Lease/37419
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Yh like you say at least the problems would be covered but there is still the hassle of getting them sorted. Clearly for some people that's still an issue...
http://www.rforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=6280
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So much for thorough testing, eh!? :stupid:
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So much for thorough testing, eh!? :stupid:
Haha clearly it is the done thing to let the customers do that for you these days!
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The Mk5 is a great car and I miss mine. I've realised since selling it they are actually well ahead of their time. Far better than anything else that was on the market at the same time, and still competitive against todays offerings. Still the same underpinnings and a similar engine to you'd get in a new Scirocco R for example.
Mk7 R's look a lovely car but issues such as turbo failures with countless revisions and clutches slipping on standard manual cars for me would be a big cause for concern...
Well i never knew any of that! :sick:
Wouldn't be a cause of concern for me, that's the whole point of having a new car as any nonsense is covered by warranty!
You'd struggle to get a clutch replaced under warranty unless the car was less than a week old
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The Mk5 is a great car and I miss mine. I've realised since selling it they are actually well ahead of their time. Far better than anything else that was on the market at the same time, and still competitive against todays offerings. Still the same underpinnings and a similar engine to you'd get in a new Scirocco R for example.
Mk7 R's look a lovely car but issues such as turbo failures with countless revisions and clutches slipping on standard manual cars for me would be a big cause for concern...
Well i never knew any of that! :sick:
Wouldn't be a cause of concern for me, that's the whole point of having a new car as any nonsense is covered by warranty!
You'd struggle to get a clutch replaced under warranty unless the car was less than a week old
Luckily I wouldn't have bothered buying it with a Manual box in the first place :P
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Still think the 5 rewards the driver more then the 7 does, The 7 is good as in terms of step foward in technology, but the mk5 still is a decent drive and I still prefer it over the mk6 in looks and driver feel.
Define "reward"...... I would personally be much better rewarded in a mk7 as its much more refined, better looking, more efficient, built with better materials, goes like stink and has a much better stereo.
On the flip side it's well over £30k and I'd have to finance it. Doesn't bother me as work provide me with allowance but if I only had say £8000 cash, I would love a mk5/6 Golf R or edition 30!
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The Mk5 is a great car and I miss mine. I've realised since selling it they are actually well ahead of their time. Far better than anything else that was on the market at the same time, and still competitive against todays offerings. Still the same underpinnings and a similar engine to you'd get in a new Scirocco R for example.
Mk7 R's look a lovely car but issues such as turbo failures with countless revisions and clutches slipping on standard manual cars for me would be a big cause for concern...
Well i never knew any of that! :sick:
Wouldn't be a cause of concern for me, that's the whole point of having a new car as any nonsense is covered by warranty!
You'd struggle to get a clutch replaced under warranty unless the car was less than a week old
Luckily I wouldn't have bothered buying it with a Manual box in the first place :P
Going by the video on that link, the problematic 7R is a DSG. :confused:
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Still think the 5 rewards the driver more then the 7 does, The 7 is good as in terms of step foward in technology, but the mk5 still is a decent drive and I still prefer it over the mk6 in looks and driver feel.
Define "reward"...... I would personally be much better rewarded in a mk7 as its much more refined, better looking, more efficient, built with better materials, goes like stink and has a much better stereo.
On the flip side it's well over £30k and I'd have to finance it. Doesn't bother me as work provide me with allowance but if I only had say £8000 cash, I would love a mk5/6 Golf R or edition 30!
Rewarding as in..feedback, feel from what going on undeneath the seat of your pants. Being able to push a car on its limits and not a car thats too refined and a muted or numb feel from it.Having a Soundtrack played down its speakers in the 7R although is different, put for the purist, im sure isnt what your looking for in a thrilling drive.
Yes the 7R is 300bhp and has the smile factor but as with all these new models, having safety features that prevent you really pushing on would really cheese me off.
Also just because somethings new doesnt make it better always..The reason they stopped with the mk5 early was because it was too complex to build and costed VW too much in terms of build and cost to produce.
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Any 4WD car out of the box has numb steering and a chassis that is very "safe".
FWD is more fun and engaging, especially with a bit of lift off oversteer on a roundabout :driver: to make a 4WD fun it needs some serious power (Hurdy's Golf R for example :drool:)
4WD makes for a fast point to point car though :happy2:
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Rekon a mapped Dsg 7R will take your face off :laugh:
High power fwd too much hastle personally, previously owned a live mapped mk1 focus Rs (318 bhp 380ftlb) and was just pointless hence why ive left my mk5 Gti standard :rolleye:
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Rekon a mapped Dsg 7R will take your face off :laugh:
High power fwd too much hastle personally, previously owned a live mapped mk1 focus Rs (318 bhp 380ftlb) and was just pointless hence why ive left my mk5 Gti standard :rolleye:
Interestingly a colleague of mine has a mk1 Focus RS and while he loves the car he hates FWD vehicles for how his car behaves. He reports understeer and torque steer as predominant issues at a confirmed 201hp. By contrast mine makes me warm inside every time I drive it on road and track and has none of these issues! :love:
I think you should get a drive in well sorted modified example and I reckon you might change your mind! :laugh:
I'd conclude that while a Mk1 FRS is a collectable and relatively high value vehicle they're dynamically not the greatest example of a high power FWD vehicle.
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Rekon a mapped Dsg 7R will take your face off :laugh:
High power fwd too much hastle personally, previously owned a live mapped mk1 focus Rs (318 bhp 380ftlb) and was just pointless hence why ive left my mk5 Gti standard :rolleye:
Interestingly a colleague of mine has a mk1 Focus RS and while he loves the car he hates FWD vehicles for how his car behaves. He reports understeer and torque steer as predominant issues at a confirmed 201hp. By contrast mine makes me warm inside every time I drive it on road and track and has none of these issues! :love:
I think you should get a drive in well sorted modified example and I reckon you might change your mind! :laugh:
I'd conclude that while a Mk1 FRS is a collectable and relatively high value vehicle they're dynamically not the greatest example of a high power FWD vehicle.
Couldn't disagree more on that one im affraid mate
My mk1 Rs was an absolute peach to drive in standard form its only when i modded it that it was ruined and made me start to not like the car etc
Mine was a low mileage near concourse example so decided to sell up while prices are good and stepped straight into the mk5 Gti as its simply a more every day car that i can use without crying everytime it gets a spot of dirt on it :grin:
11 month old daughter was a contributing factor to the decision also :pomppomp:
Both the Gti and Rs are great fwd cars in standard form but the Golf is alot easier to live with every day think the Rs was around 3-4secs a lap faster on top gear tho!
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Ps if your mate is struggling at 201bhp id suggest it has something seriously wrong or the whole car is very tired as mine never started becoming a handful until went over 300bhp
201??? Standard they were 212bhp but some reports said some were making more like 230bhp
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Ps if your mate is struggling at 201bhp id suggest it has something seriously wrong or the whole car is very tired as mine never started becoming a handful until went over 300bhp
201??? Standard they were 212bhp but some reports said some were making more like 230bhp
That maybe the case then. He seems to be certain that all is well with his and he dislikes the way it drives intensely.
I'm not surprised that the RS was quicker lapping in stock trim. The GTI's are a 'softer' car I think when standard. They appeal to different owner/drivers.
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As some have already said I believe that 4WD is too "safe" to be as much fun as a well sorted FWD (decent tyres and suspension ect) unless you're running serious power. My friend has a 290bhp MK5 R32 and my GTI is running 260bhp and having driven both I much prefer mine, with that sort of power you really have to push to get any give in the 4WD whereas the FWD is a hoot, you actually have to put some work in to make it behave sometimes but it rewards you soo much.
Its all a personal preference thing, I'm a 20 year old man so testosterone makes all my decisions for me. But more sensible and family orientated people will probably prefer the comfort of the 4WD. Its like manual vs DSG its down to preference neither can be defined as better because it's relative to what you want from your car.
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testosterone makes all my decisions for me.
That will continue well past your twenties!
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testosterone makes all my decisions for me.
That will continue well past your twenties!
:signLOL:
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Is it wrong that am pretty pleased with myself for starting a good little post?? Haha
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Still think the 5 rewards the driver more then the 7 does, The 7 is good as in terms of step foward in technology, but the mk5 still is a decent drive and I still prefer it over the mk6 in looks and driver feel.
Define "reward"...... I would personally be much better rewarded in a mk7 as its much more refined, better looking, more efficient, built with better materials, goes like stink and has a much better stereo.
On the flip side it's well over £30k and I'd have to finance it. Doesn't bother me as work provide me with allowance but if I only had say £8000 cash, I would love a mk5/6 Golf R or edition 30!
Rewarding as in..feedback, feel from what going on undeneath the seat of your pants. Being able to push a car on its limits and not a car thats too refined and a muted or numb feel from it.Having a Soundtrack played down its speakers in the 7R although is different, put for the purist, im sure isnt what your looking for in a thrilling drive.
Yes the 7R is 300bhp and has the smile factor but as with all these new models, having safety features that prevent you really pushing on would really cheese me off.
Also just because somethings new doesnt make it better always..The reason they stopped with the mk5 early was because it was too complex to build and costed VW too much in terms of build and cost to produce.
Yeah, I get what you're saying.....I was just trying to say that different people will find different things to be a rewarding!! :innocent:
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Either way gonna make my mind up tomorrow, have a look
Around see if anything really catches my eye, of not it's staying!
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Either way gonna make my mind up tomorrow, have a look
Around see if anything really catches my eye, of not it's staying!
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Still think the 5 rewards the driver more then the 7 does, The 7 is good as in terms of step foward in technology, but the mk5 still is a decent drive and I still prefer it over the mk6 in looks and driver feel.
Define "reward"...... I would personally be much better rewarded in a mk7 as its much more refined, better looking, more efficient, built with better materials, goes like stink and has a much better stereo.
On the flip side it's well over £30k and I'd have to finance it. Doesn't bother me as work provide me with allowance but if I only had say £8000 cash, I would love a mk5/6 Golf R or edition 30!
Rewarding as in..feedback, feel from what going on undeneath the seat of your pants. Being able to push a car on its limits and not a car thats too refined and a muted or numb feel from it.Having a Soundtrack played down its speakers in the 7R although is different, put for the purist, im sure isnt what your looking for in a thrilling drive.
Yes the 7R is 300bhp and has the smile factor but as with all these new models, having safety features that prevent you really pushing on would really cheese me off.
Also just because somethings new doesnt make it better always..The reason they stopped with the mk5 early was because it was too complex to build and costed VW too much in terms of build and cost to produce.
Arguably that would only really count when wraggin' the tits off it around a track.
Id take a golf7R in a heartbeat. Its a class ahead of the mk5.
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Still think the 5 rewards the driver more then the 7 does, The 7 is good as in terms of step foward in technology, but the mk5 still is a decent drive and I still prefer it over the mk6 in looks and driver feel.
Define "reward"...... I would personally be much better rewarded in a mk7 as its much more refined, better looking, more efficient, built with better materials, goes like stink and has a much better stereo.
On the flip side it's well over £30k and I'd have to finance it. Doesn't bother me as work provide me with allowance but if I only had say £8000 cash, I would love a mk5/6 Golf R or edition 30!
Rewarding as in..feedback, feel from what going on undeneath the seat of your pants. Being able to push a car on its limits and not a car thats too refined and a muted or numb feel from it.Having a Soundtrack played down its speakers in the 7R although is different, put for the purist, im sure isnt what your looking for in a thrilling drive.
Yes the 7R is 300bhp and has the smile factor but as with all these new models, having safety features that prevent you really pushing on would really cheese me off.
Also just because somethings new doesnt make it better always..The reason they stopped with the mk5 early was because it was too complex to build and costed VW too much in terms of build and cost to produce.
Arguably that would only really count when wraggin' the tits off it around a track.
Id take a golf7R in a heartbeat. Its a class ahead of the mk5.
Dito, just wish it would hurry up lol
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Golf R, dsg with a few extras, comes in at £37500, f*ck me! Nice car, but maybe a bit ott for a golf do we not think??
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Pcp with around 1600 down and 260 per month sound better?
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Golf R, dsg with a few extras, comes in at £37500, f*ck me! Nice car, but maybe a bit ott for a golf do we not think??
What extras? The list price is fair when compared to the competition (Audi S3/ BMW M135i) and the only kit really missing is Sat Nav
Anyway most of these are been bought on lease where they are silly cheap, circa £200 a month on the best deals!
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Pcp with around 1600 down and 260 per month sound better?
Where you seen deals like that, I was in BMW pricing up a 4 series (£34k) and they where talking £2k down and £560 a month :scared:
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Golf R, dsg with a few extras, comes in at £37500, f*ck me! Nice car, but maybe a bit ott for a golf do we not think??
What extras? The list price is fair when compared to the competition (Audi S3/ BMW M135i) and the only kit really missing is Sat Nav
Anyway most of these are been bought on lease where they are silly cheap, circa £200 a month on the best deals!
dsg car, sat nav, upgraded wheels, and leather (which is always a costly extra with VW)
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http://www.stablevehiclecontracts.co.uk/volkswagen-new-golf-2.0-tsi-r-5-dr
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Golf R, dsg with a few extras, comes in at £37500, f*ck me! Nice car, but maybe a bit ott for a golf do we not think??
Well you can get the following spec for 33K, don't know where you got 37K from? Just need to look around for deals :smiley:
DSG 3 Door
Lapis blue - £535.0
19" Pretoria alloy wheels - £895.0
Keyless entry - £360.0
Rear view camera - £165.0
High beam assist - £140.0
Vienna leather - Black + heated front sports seats with lumbar support - £1720.0
Discover DVD navigation pro with 8.0'' colour touch screen, European map data, 64GB hard drive + voice control - £1765.0
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Test drove the R today which was very nice. Incredible, smooth power. However what seemed a bit strange (perhaps not being used to DSG?) is how getting back into my Manual Stage 1 GTI it felt a bit more eager to 'go' than the DSG. Once I was above 10-15mph the R just went off like a rocket and kept on going on the Dual Carriageway, but the GTI just feels a bit more lively?
I am very tempted to order an R, the thought of having a new car at a great price is very very appealing. Unfortunately it appears finding a manual to test drive is pretty tricky.
Has anyone else found this when trying out DSG after being used to a Manual?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi105.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm229%2Fadminkatana%2FIMG_3592_zpse22ee66c.jpg&hash=cd6279be3e69fc1665f23d02fee0263d9121dba0)
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Oh that picture.... :drool:
In answer to your question yes the DSG can sometimes take a microsecond to react, but overall its faster than a Manual by quite some margin.
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Thanks, I just found it strange how I was expecting to be blown away with how quick it felt, yet was surprised that it didn't feel hugely different. I would most likely go for a manual again.
Refinement wise though, the different is enormous, it just feels solid on the road and very very smooth. Still, I was impressed with how my 8 year old GTI held up when jumping back in, a difficult car to replace!
The car is just beautiful, I am so very tempted to order. :driver:
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Test drove the R today which was very nice. Incredible, smooth power. However what seemed a bit strange (perhaps not being used to DSG?) is how getting back into my Manual Stage 1 GTI it felt a bit more eager to 'go' than the DSG. Once I was above 10-15mph the R just went off like a rocket and kept on going on the Dual Carriageway, but the GTI just feels a bit more lively?
I am very tempted to order an R, the thought of having a new car at a great price is very very appealing. Unfortunately it appears finding a manual to test drive is pretty tricky.
Has anyone else found this when trying out DSG after being used to a Manual?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi105.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm229%2Fadminkatana%2FIMG_3592_zpse22ee66c.jpg&hash=cd6279be3e69fc1665f23d02fee0263d9121dba0)
Did you put it in manual or sport?
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Did you put it in manual or sport?
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I'm not entirely sure, never having driven a DSG before the sales guy flipped it into I assume sport, and then later I tried using the paddles.
I reckon it's just my unfamiliarity with DSG. Still an incredible car, can't believe the price of these lease deals even directly through VW...