MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Sat Nav and Car Audio => Topic started by: H18Golf on October 06, 2014, 10:25:41 am

Title: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: H18Golf on October 06, 2014, 10:25:41 am
I will be picking up my new GTi over the next couple of days and want to upgrade the headunit.

The car is an 06 and has a RCD300.  I want to put a RNS310 in it so i can play songs off an SD card.  Do i need to update the CAN for battery drain issues?  Or is it just a case of taking out the old unit and fitting the new?  Do i need any other parts?

Also, can anyone who has this already installed tell me what its like for displaying track information, i.e does it say the artist and song name or just track 1, 2 3 etc?

Thanks
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: Shoduchi on October 08, 2014, 06:47:47 pm
You'll most likely need to upgrade the CAN Gateway. The RNS-310 will display the track information of the mp3 and wma.
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: H18Golf on October 09, 2014, 09:20:00 am
Thanks for the information.  Other than the CAN gateway is there anything else i will need to install the RNS310?  Any links would help.

Thanks
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: Shoduchi on October 09, 2014, 10:02:53 am
You'll need to code your CAN so that your car knows you have Navigation installed. It can be done while coding the new CAN. Not sure about what coding the RNS-310 needs, as I never looked into it. I have a RNS-510 and it needs coding, which is easy to do.
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: DamoP on October 09, 2014, 12:04:07 pm
No coding required. It's a straight fit with a new gateway. You will been an aerial adaptor as well. Less than £10 off eBay
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: H18Golf on October 09, 2014, 01:00:20 pm
Thanks for the replies.  Can anyone let me know how much a gateway would be and where to get this and the aerial adapter? 

Also, just been looking into this a bit myself, would i not need to get a GPS antenna for the sat nav?

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: Shoduchi on October 09, 2014, 01:26:50 pm
You can get the antenna adapter and the GPS antenna from ebay or from carsystems.

http://www.carsystems.pl/fakra-antenna-radio-adapter-2-in-1-mfd-rcd-rns-510-diversity-shipping-0-01,id526.html (http://www.carsystems.pl/fakra-antenna-radio-adapter-2-in-1-mfd-rcd-rns-510-diversity-shipping-0-01,id526.html)
http://www.carsystems.pl/gps-antenna-90-angle-blue-fakra-connector,id18.html (http://www.carsystems.pl/gps-antenna-90-angle-blue-fakra-connector,id18.html)
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: H18Golf on October 10, 2014, 02:37:42 pm
Thanks.

Just as a matter of interest.  Can you have maps and music saved on a SD card and have the sat nav turned on and listen to music from the SD card at the same time?
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: Shoduchi on October 10, 2014, 05:30:43 pm
I don't know the answer to that. I have an RNS-510.

Let's see if someone else knows and responds.
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: J400uk on October 11, 2014, 08:17:39 pm
No gateway needed for the RNS 310, it's the only 'new' head unit which doesn't cause battery drain

You'll just require the radio antenna adaptor and GPS antenna

Yes you can have maps and music on the same SD card and listen whilst navigating!
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: Shoduchi on October 11, 2014, 10:07:31 pm
Thank you for sharing that information. Wasn't aware of it.

Cheers
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: JonnyM92 on October 13, 2014, 10:26:09 am
No gateway needed for the RNS 310, it's the only 'new' head unit which doesn't cause battery drain

You'll just require the radio antenna adaptor and GPS antenna

Yes you can have maps and music on the same SD card and listen whilst navigating!

Is that definately correct RE: no battery draing with RNS310? Reason I've been holding off upgrading is the battery drain issue!
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: Shoduchi on October 13, 2014, 11:02:01 am
AFAIK all 3rd generation caused the battery drain issue: http://www.my-gti.com/1101/upgrading-2nd-generation-radios-rcd-300-rcd-500-to-3rd-generation-rcd-210-rcd-310-rns-310-rcd-510-power-drain-issue (http://www.my-gti.com/1101/upgrading-2nd-generation-radios-rcd-300-rcd-500-to-3rd-generation-rcd-210-rcd-310-rns-310-rcd-510-power-drain-issue).

Only RNS-510 with older firmwares or with modified firmware might not have that issue.

In another forum I've seen a case of a 2006 Passat not having this issue with the RNS-310, but having it after upgrading to RNS-510.

Maybe J400k can explain better why the RNS-310 won't cause this issue.
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: Scottymon on October 13, 2014, 11:15:23 am
Instead of a new gateway can you add a fuse or modified Firmware?:

http://www.r32oc.com/topic/31099-rns-510-a-simple-solution-to-battery-drain/

Does it work?
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: JonnyM92 on October 13, 2014, 11:26:11 am
Instead of a new gateway can you add a fuse or modified Firmware?:

http://www.r32oc.com/topic/31099-rns-510-a-simple-solution-to-battery-drain/

Does it work?

I've seen that too. Can't try it as I don't have the different head unit. Not sure it's a permanent fix though.

How quickly does the battery drain kick? Is there any way to tell if it's draining the battery once the unit is installed?
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: Scottymon on October 13, 2014, 12:09:15 pm
RCD510: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201047662831?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Loads of great stuff from this China Seller:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-CAN-BUS-GATEWAY-CONTROL-UNIT-for-VW-RNS310-RCD510-RNS510-RNS315-7N0907530AN-/191085346455?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2c7d92fe97

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-Dark-Red-HAZARD-SWITCH-FOR-VW-Volkswagen-Golf-Jetta-MK5-Sagitar-18G953509-/201142852135?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ed50c5a27

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Set-of-5pics-CHROME-SWITCH-CONTROL-fit-for-VW-PASSAT-B6-CC-GOLF-JETTA-MK5-MK6-/201114948199?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ed3629267

Any thoughts on the RCD510 above, seems cheeeap.
Title: Re: Upgrade from RCD300 to RNS310
Post by: J400uk on October 13, 2014, 01:09:04 pm
No gateway needed for the RNS 310, it's the only 'new' head unit which doesn't cause battery drain

You'll just require the radio antenna adaptor and GPS antenna

Yes you can have maps and music on the same SD card and listen whilst navigating!

Is that definately correct RE: no battery draing with RNS310? Reason I've been holding off upgrading is the battery drain issue!

Maybe J400k can explain better why the RNS-310 won't cause this issue.

I'm going by my experience of fitting that unit to two cars both with old and supposedly incompatible gateways and not having any issues! You'll also find that there aren't any battery drain problems reported online with the RNS 310 and that's after extensive googling. It does seem to be an exception as the other more popular 3rd gen units do cause issues.