MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Boothy on November 09, 2009, 01:53:57 pm
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Dropped the car off for the cambelt doing today at a specialist. The bloke seemed really switched on but he has just phoned saying my car a has a full cambelt cover or something which involves removing the drive shafts, engine mounts and allsorts of boll**ks!!! He said he will pretty much have to take the engine out to do it? This doesn't sound right to me? Surely VW wouldn't make a job like that so difficult? Any advice as he's probably gonna try charge me sh*t loads if he has to do all that crap!
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I was speaking to Al at Awesome recently and he was saying that they are finding cars like yours that need about 6 hours labour time to get the job done.
Good luck whatever...
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Dropped the car off for the cambelt doing today at a specialist. The bloke seemed really switched on but he has just phoned saying my car a has a full cambelt cover or something which involves removing the drive shafts, engine mounts and allsorts of boll**ks!!! This doesn't sound right to me? Any advice as he's probably gonna try charge me sh*t loads if he has to do all that crap!
i know the Mk4 1.8T had to have the drivers side engine mount unbolted to allow the belt fit. the belt actually runs through the mount.
not sure about the 2.0T or the Driveshaft bit...............
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I think he's saying that the engine mount release bolt can't be reached without taking the drive shaft out or something. Not what I needed ain't this. :sad1:
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are you sure is not chain driven?
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Its defo a belt. He says some have a full cover and some a half? Not really sure what he's trying to describe to be honest. To me you can see the belt on the left of the engine (standing at the front). I can't recall seeing a cover or anything?
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sure thats not your aux belt?
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just forget it and take it to VW
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So much for being a 'specialist'! He hasn't phoned me back yet so I'll let you know the outcome.
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they do take longer than the 1.8t to do, as was said earlier you will have to remove the engine mount to access it but you just use an engine support bar.
If he thinks the engine has to come out then you have got issues, he makes it sound so scary. Lets hope for the best.
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how many miles is this service??
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I was informed by a very helpful VW technician at my local dealership who had carried out this operation twice on my car that they indeed have to disconnect the engine from the drive shafts and exhaust in order to move the engine enough to access the cambelt. I also seem to remember that VW stipulate that this job takes 4 hours.
It might be an idea to have the £40 water pump changed at the same time because they are known to fail prematurely and it require exactly the same procedure to change it.
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are you sure is not chain driven?
The engine has both a timing chain right hand side and a belt on the left.
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how many miles is this service??
4 years or 60k miles is the VW recommendation.
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Isnt this one of the main reasons why they changed to the new type engine in the Mk 6. :happy2:
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Isnt this one of the main reasons why they changed to the new type engine in the Mk 6. :happy2:
You are right TC. The new TSi engine has a chain drive for the cams and doesn't need servicing. The TFSi is belt driven as said. :happy2:
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Righty! Picked the car back up without the work doing and thankfully I didn't have to argue the toss over price as he hasn't charged me a penny. I've gotta give it to the bloke really, he was so helpfull when I turned up and showed/explained exactly what the problem was.
Basically the cambelt can have two types of cover. The oldest and stupidest one like I have is only fitted to some or all of the 2005 models and it consists of one piece covering the belt in its entirety. With this you really do have to remove the drive shafts, air con pipes etc and hoist the engine about a foot according to VW. It seems they realised how stupid they had been though and all the 2006 models onward use a two piece cam belt cover which splits in the middle meaning the cover can be removed without all the work involved with the single piece one.
So the chap at the specialists says even the older mk5 Gti's he's done have had the two piece unit hense why he has never seen one before. What he's suggesting is ordering a new single and twin piece cover to see if they have exactly the same fittings etc. If it does he wants to remove the old one by cutting it across the middle (where the join is on the two piece), replacing the belt/pump etc and then putting the two piece on. :rolleye:
What does everyone reckon? Its nearly £200 pound more to go to the stealers but then there's that EXTRA peace of mind? Has anyone ever encountered the same issue?
Advice welcome. :smiley:
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Might as well go to the dealers. As you say peace of mind and all that.
Mine needs doing in May. Mines a MY06 car so hopefuly the newer type cover(s).
Dread to think the cost of this together with a year 4 time & distance service :scared:
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how many miles is this service??
4 years or 60k miles is the VW recommendation.
it's actually 4 years or 120k miles now!
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Just got the dreaded cambelt replacment letter from vw today :sad1:
£249 fully fitted!!!offer only available until31st december 2009
Things always come @ the wrong time don't they realise christmas is just round the corner :sick:
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Me and my mate who's a VW tech did a cambelt change on mine on his drive with axle stands when I got it.
As said it is a stupid design (54 plate) but not exactly rocket science especially for a mechanic. Drive shafts out, exhaust disconnected then drop engine so that it clear the left hand side of the engine bay bodywork.
Took us 6 hours but would have been alot quicker if we had a ramp i reckon.
HTH Sam
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interesting im doing mine in a few weeks but it will bo on a ramp thank god . just the drivers shaft out i take it ?
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He did say he would have done the work required but would have needed the car longer which I couldn't do. As it happens he has got back to me and confirms both the 1 and 2 piece fit so gonna get a quote for all the parts, work etc and compare it to VW's price. I could do with them sending me a letter saying they'll do it for £245!
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He did say he would have done the work required but would have needed the car longer which I couldn't do. As it happens he has got back to me and confirms both the 1 and 2 piece fit so gonna get a quote for all the parts, work etc and compare it to VW's price. I could do with them sending me a letter saying they'll do it for £245!
The Stealers are desperate for custom, so they will price match any garage quote within a set distance from them. ( I think it's something like a 5 mile radius) I've used this method before, to get cheap services.
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Phoned around my 3 local VW stealers for prices for cambelt (including water pump) replacement plus 40k time & distance service with brake fluid. Basically this is my next service. The cheapest price was £746 (VW in Winchester) and the dearest was £915 (Ridgeway in Newbury) :stupid:
Annoying as the car has only done 7,000 miles from new! Guess they don't call them stealers for nowt!!
Best get saving :scared:
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Didn't know about the 1 piece timing cover, I will have to check on ETKA to see if mine has that!
My local dealer offered its cambelt change for £299 in the paper early this year, and put *Excluding V6s, valid til December 31st". I cut out the page and I've kept it as evidence just in case. That may have been the best idea I've had all year. £700+? No chance!
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Sounds like the dealers might be an option then if i can talk them into doing it at the right price. That price match sounds very interesting so i'll give it a shot!
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Search for VW Price Match Promise on here and the link to VWs website comes up. Follow their rules and look forward to cheap servicing :)
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I can't believe I didn't know about that !! Cheers TomB :happy2:
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interesting im doing mine in a few weeks but it will bo on a ramp thank god . just the drivers shaft out i take it ?
Hi mate,
I think we tried just the drivers side, but when we dropped the engine on a trolley jack we realised we were gonna put a lot of strain on the N/S shaft so raised it back up and took it off. There on flanges (not ure if thats the correct term) anyway so it's no bother and no loss of oil ETC.
The engine has to drop a good 5-6 inches from memory so that the left hand side engine mount can be taken out clear of the bodywork to remove the cambelt cover (which it goes through)
May work out differantly with a ramp though :happy2:
HTH Sam
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Well I finally got the cambelt sorted. £330.00 including the 2 piece cambelt cover. Decided I may as well have it changed as I'll likely have the car for over 4 years and it'll make it easier and cheaper when I have to do it again. Not sure what the part numbers are but if anyone encounters the same issue at least they'll know that the parts are available etc etc.
Cheers for all the help.
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any idea of part numbers and price for the covers ?
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How much is a cam belt and the tensioner...
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any idea of part numbers and price for the covers ?
If my view of ETKA is correct then: -
Upper = 06F 109 124 @ £18.89
Bolts = N101 963 03 x 2 @ £0.37
Lower = 06F 109 147 @ £17.14
Bolts = N104 514 09 x 7 @ £0.29
:happy2:
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spot on cheers :congrats:
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Sounds right. He charged me £30.00 for the new covers. I swear the car is pulling loads bwtter since its been change too!