MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: Hootz on November 18, 2014, 12:59:54 pm
Hi Chaps

Just after some advice. I have the offer of a 6 pot AP Racing set up with 360mm discs and Ferodo DS2500s. The kit is SH and therefore i can't be sure on pad and disc life. Price is £1050.

My question is, is this a better option than a 362mm TTRS set up from AKS, which would be new, albeit a touch more expensive initially?

Any advice would be great. Mainly fast road use but car will be used more and more on track as time goes on and I get a new daily.

Thanks
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: PT82 on November 18, 2014, 01:22:19 pm
I have been in a 600bhp Evo 9 and driven a 400bhp evo 10 hard around Oulton Park with AP brakes. They are awesome bits of kit!
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: xjay1337 on November 18, 2014, 01:26:30 pm
aks 340mm ttrs kit!! new 1200.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10325671_378045042364168_67618256281287025_n.jpg?oh=691e19efeb067750aef509a2f3642280&oe=55137A83&__gda__=1423502081_a6aa621e17baaee6f3015e30c11badb3)
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: PT82 on November 18, 2014, 01:31:04 pm
350mm AP kit is £1385 new from Reyland
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 18, 2014, 01:39:46 pm
aks 340mm ttrs kit!! new 1200.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10325671_378045042364168_67618256281287025_n.jpg?oh=691e19efeb067750aef509a2f3642280&oe=55137A83&__gda__=1423502081_a6aa621e17baaee6f3015e30c11badb3)

This!
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: rich83 on November 18, 2014, 02:38:10 pm
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3931/15243170217_2708f22142_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pdZerB)<3 GTI (https://flic.kr/p/pdZerB) by Rich Wigley (https://www.flickr.com/people/31573912@N02/), on Flickr

This....  :innocent:
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: th3_f15t on November 18, 2014, 03:57:52 pm
The TTRS 340mm is £1200? Does that include spacers as well?
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: rich83 on November 18, 2014, 04:01:09 pm
The TTRS 340mm is £1200? Does that include spacers as well?

no
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: th3_f15t on November 18, 2014, 04:09:22 pm
See, I have my heart set on Porsche calipers, but I still admire the TTRS BBK, in either it's 340mm or bigger versions. Only reason I would say the AP Racing brakes over these is the AP racing are 6 pistons?
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: ed30Lewis on November 18, 2014, 05:19:06 pm
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3931/15243170217_2708f22142_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pdZerB)<3 GTI (https://flic.kr/p/pdZerB) by Rich Wigley (https://www.flickr.com/people/31573912@N02/), on Flickr

This....  :innocent:

Wow!  :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: dansmith180 on November 18, 2014, 05:31:08 pm
I put this kit together myself for just over £1000
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1294.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb601%2Fdansmith180%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F2014-09%2FIMG_20140917_191313_zpsymna9rb5.jpg&hash=cc9cf95299993f88b36063e592f11732507be15d) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/dansmith180/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/IMG_20140917_191313_zpsymna9rb5.jpg.html)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMobile_Uploads%2F2014-10%2F20141019_163226_zps77uuikdr.jpg&hash=bab86dd8ad6fd92b52e52b7690da5e0711a847b8)

I can't say anything about the AP setup but I can tell you the TTRS setup is amazing, I had the R32 setup which was good but these are on another level. They stop hard and I haven't got them to fade yet (fast road use), I've been very thankful for them during a few brown trouser moments.
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: Tejinder on November 18, 2014, 05:57:54 pm
I was going to make a thread asking the same thing earlier.

I'm also on the hunt for new brakes as the Turbo install beckons. Not sure TTRS calipers with 362mm discs will put up with track and fast-road punishment? But don't want AP's because of the lack of dust shield.

Anyone have any advice? Will need to stop a 400bhp 1560kg R32 lol
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: dansmith180 on November 18, 2014, 06:06:12 pm
I was going to make a thread asking the same thing earlier.

I'm also on the hunt for new brakes as the Turbo install beckons. Not sure TTRS calipers with 362mm discs will put up with track and fast-road punishment? But don't want AP's because of the lack of dust shield.

Anyone have any advice? Will need to stop a 400bhp 1560kg R32 lol

You'll need RS4 8 pots probably to stop that monster.
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: TommyR on November 18, 2014, 07:06:06 pm
See, I have my heart set on Porsche calipers, but I still admire the TTRS BBK, in either it's 340mm or bigger versions. Only reason I would say the AP Racing brakes over these is the AP racing are 6 pistons?

It’s just a sticker at the end of the day dude... When I had Boxster 986 calipers they had Brembo stamped on them as do my new Aston 4 Pots which are the same as the TTRS/RS3 ones. :happy2:
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: dan930 on November 18, 2014, 08:00:01 pm
I was going to make a thread asking the same thing earlier.

I'm also on the hunt for new brakes as the Turbo install beckons. Not sure TTRS calipers with 362mm discs will put up with track and fast-road punishment? But don't want AP's because of the lack of dust shield.

Anyone have any advice? Will need to stop a 400bhp 1560kg R32 lol

Hi mate,I'm running ttrs calipers with daveb 362 discs & stopping is awesome..
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: Andy on November 18, 2014, 08:20:49 pm
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3931/15243170217_2708f22142_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pdZerB)<3 GTI (https://flic.kr/p/pdZerB) by Rich Wigley (https://www.flickr.com/people/31573912@N02/), on Flickr

This....  :innocent:


what size discs are they Rich
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: rich83 on November 18, 2014, 08:25:22 pm
362
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: rich83 on November 18, 2014, 08:25:48 pm
362

@dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)  iphone formatting still fooked.
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: Tejinder on November 18, 2014, 11:37:29 pm
I was going to make a thread asking the same thing earlier.

I'm also on the hunt for new brakes as the Turbo install beckons. Not sure TTRS calipers with 362mm discs will put up with track and fast-road punishment? But don't want AP's because of the lack of dust shield.

Anyone have any advice? Will need to stop a 400bhp 1560kg R32 lol

You'll need RS4 8 pots probably to stop that monster.

I was thinking about this, but the pedal feel is crap I've heard. All the braking is low on the pedal when its being pushed
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: dansmith180 on November 18, 2014, 11:43:44 pm
I was going to make a thread asking the same thing earlier.

I'm also on the hunt for new brakes as the Turbo install beckons. Not sure TTRS calipers with 362mm discs will put up with track and fast-road punishment? But don't want AP's because of the lack of dust shield.

Anyone have any advice? Will need to stop a 400bhp 1560kg R32 lol

You'll need RS4 8 pots probably to stop that monster.

I was thinking about this, but the pedal feel is crap I've heard. All the braking is low on the pedal when its being pushed

I spoke to Alex at AKS and someone else who runs them on a MK5 GTI and they said they they're not too bad but yes they could benefit from a master cylinder upgrade.

With 2 piece discs and some aggressive pads the TTRS setup might be OK? But that would cost £2k whereas even with the MC upgrade the RS4 setup would cost about the same and could defiantly handle it.
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: xjay1337 on November 19, 2014, 01:36:02 am
Took the Rocco out for a late night drive around some of my local twisties, every point I came to call on them, they inspired confidence, scrubbing huge speed off in very short distances.
Found a REALLY long private road tonight and got up to 120... slammed on the brakes to dead stop...  short pedal but still able to be modulated progressively... It hauled ass and my mate who was in the car was giggling like a child.

I then did several 90ish to 30, stops almost immediately after, one after the other over the course of about 2 or 3 roundabouts within one mile of each other and then a final 80 to nothing stop and while I got a hideous smell of brakes there was no discernable fade.

Wheels are now caked in dust though, will have to clean them up tomorrow. Iron X would be funny to try. :P

I do notice the rear end gets a bit... um... floaty. But that's because the entire weight of the vehicle is going forwards... basic physics, a rear brake upgrade wouldn't go a miss... but more for looks really. You will balance it out a little bit, at least the rear upgrade is nice and cheap  :smiley:
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 19, 2014, 07:14:44 am

Do you have the S3 rears Jay? 
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: xjay1337 on November 19, 2014, 09:14:49 am
Stock CR170 rears. I guess they are 286 but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: dansmith180 on November 19, 2014, 10:51:01 am
Do the R32 rears help with the back end floating/ wiggling? Is it worth the money?
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: rich83 on November 19, 2014, 10:52:38 am
I like a floaty rear end.... helps steer it around corners.
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 19, 2014, 10:54:42 am
I get some squirm on track days even with s3 rears.  Maybe an excuse for 330mm rears :)

They do help though, probably further still with a 'sporty' pad.
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: dansmith180 on November 19, 2014, 11:31:22 am
The floaty arse is very fun but I must admit has made my arse feel funny a few times  :jumping:
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: th3_f15t on November 19, 2014, 04:44:42 pm
I like a floaty rear end.... helps steer it around corners.

Am I the only one being childish here? :P
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: xjay1337 on November 19, 2014, 05:19:03 pm
I get some squirm on track days even with s3 rears.  Maybe an excuse for 330mm rears :)

They do help though, probably further still with a 'sporty' pad.

Already in the pipeline!

Spoke to alex about 4 pot rears with a seperate handbrake caliper... he said £2k+ and I said "fk that, let's go for lunch"
 :signLOL: :signLOL:
Title: Re: Which BBK? TTRS or AP Racing?
Post by: th3_f15t on November 20, 2014, 09:28:09 pm
I would imagine 4 piston rears are for those running 4 wheel drive and huge power?