MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: tom38 on November 30, 2014, 08:29:20 pm
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Really does my nugget in how diesel cars are worth so much more than petrols, i need a diesel now but that means downgrading my gti for an higher milage less spec boring oil burner AND ill prob have to hand money over! Does it get under anyone else's skin? I know U get more mph but that's about it!
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diesel are more in demand so the price goes up.Nothing boring bout my soot chucker
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I thought the Mk5 Golf variants were preety even to be honest mate!
Myself and my partner both own 57 plate Golf's, both on 69k miles now too weirdly!
Mine is fully loaded Gti in minty condition hers is a well specced GT tdi 140
And looking at the current market id say they both worth preety much exactly the same (about 7.5k)
My missus Gt tdi really is a great car, brilliant mpg at about 55 average, £120 road tax etc but when it comes to giving it some stick its still no Gti :laugh: and cost us£360 to insure it this year compared to £202 for the Gti strangely so Diesel isn't cheaper for everything, that insurance difference just about evens up the annual road tax for the Gti :driver:
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Surprised on the insurance front, mine is a 55 plate 76k gti, value it around £6500? But equivalent gt tdi is up 7.5... Or so the ones I've see. Job to know!
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We only gave £7,700 for my missus Gt Tdi in July 2013
Cant see a 55 plate Gt tdi being worth anywhere near 7.5k
Was a really nice Gt tdi example up on here recently for around 6k
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diesel are more in demand so the price goes up.Nothing boring bout my soot chucker
Nor mine.
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,91501.0.html
Yes insurance shocked us too
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,85039.0.html
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diesel are more in demand so the price goes up.Nothing boring bout my soot chucker
Nor mine.
Still a chugger though :rolleye:
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diesel are more in demand so the price goes up.Nothing boring bout my soot chucker
Nor mine.
Still a chugger though :rolleye:
Not your average one ..My insurance with mods is £300 but I am a old sod now tho :signLOL:
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Yeah just messing mate
Gt Tdi is very capable car especially once modded a little!
Used to own a 2003 Gt tdi 130 which was mapped to about 170+
Used to tear my friends 1.8 gti150 to bits :laugh:
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Yeah just messing mate
Gt Tdi is very capable car especially once modded a little!
Used to own a 2003 Gt tdi 130 which was mapped to about 170+
Used to tear my friends 1.8 gti150 to bits :laugh:
I only do a return trip to work and back and keep thinking of getting a r32 or ed30 but mine is nearly finished at the mod stage (or i think it is :signLOL)i cant seenm to part with it
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I guess it's all supply and demand.
Here's a good example which I've been involved with...
My aunt has just had to sell her A4 2.0 Tdi after getting a job under a mile from home (to prevent any problems with DPF's and so on). And she has bought a 2.0 TFSI A4 (yes they actually sold a petrol one :laugh: ) which is very similar and slightly better equipped with 30k less miles and in better condition.
She sold the higher mileage TDI for £6700
Bought the TFSI for £5700
The TDI sold in under 24 hours!
It's a pain to have to pay a premium, but if you do the miles (I don't!) then diesel must be the best choice.
Although I can still justify a petrol for now :drool:
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I reckon quite a few just buy a Diesel because they assume it will cheaper to run than a Petrol when in reality the difference for typical mileages isn't that much, if any when added fuel and buying costs are considered.
So really some of it comes down to uninformed buyers, some people might prefer a soot chucker as well.
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I reckon quite a few just buy a Diesel because they assume itdon't l cheaper to run than a Petrol when in reality the difference for typical mileages isn't that much, if any when added fuel and buying costs are considered.
So really some of it comes down to uninformed buyers, some people might prefer a soot chucker as well.
I know at least 3-4 people that have diesels because they think they are cheaper on fuel even though they only do sort journeys, and dont know about DPFs and the possible problems
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I bought a nice little Lupo 1.7SDi which gives me a smidgen over 500 miles for £35 :laugh:
£30 a year Road Tax so for me its free motoring which means that I get to keep me other toy for when I want to play.
The price I paid for the Lupo has already paid for itself on the fuel savings.
Perhaps a cheaper second car as an alternative maybe?
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diesel are more in demand so the price goes up.Nothing boring bout my soot chucker
Nor mine.
+1
:happy2: :laugh:
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Theres a nice Golf GT TDI in the for sale section :happy2: but yeah it sucks, I find it so annoying that a TDI Scirocco is going to cost as much as if not more than an R, if only I could afford to run it :sad1:
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MK5 GTIs hold their values pretty well but the standard TSI/ FSI petrols are worth quite a lot less. I didn't find the swap to a Mk6 diesel was that expensive for me and it's already paying for itself through the big running cost savings. High mileage makes it a necessity and I can't see myself changing back anytime soon :sad1:
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I'm just gutted that I need a diesel, so the high spec sick lookin gti has to go and I need to put extra money towards a car that is not as good! Just better on fuel! Cause the gt tdi's look nothing like as good as the gti! Pissed.
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Mod a GT-Sport to a GTI spec or get a mk6/7 GTD. Not that hard to get what you want. :wink:
When I get my new wheels my GT-Sport will look better than a standard GTI Ed. 30. :grin:
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The average person buys a diesel power car because they automatically think it'll be cheaper to run than a petrol. If you don't do massive mileage it's pointless IMHO. Most modern diesels are just crap to advanced for there own good, diesel injectors for example just break for fun, £800 for 4 mondeo injectors :sick:
IMHO if you do average mileage your no better off running a diesel if anything your out of pocket.
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The average person buys a diesel power car because they automatically think it'll be cheaper to run than a petrol. If you don't do massive mileage it's pointless IMHO. Most modern diesels are just crap to advanced for there own good, diesel injectors for example just break for fun, £800 for 4 mondeo injectors :sick:
IMHO if you do average mileage your no better off running a diesel if anything your out of pocket.
I agree that you need to do at least 75.000 miles to make a diesel worth it. Unfortunately the 1.4 TSI engine had too many problems that I lost faith in it. I'd prefer to get a 2.0 TFSI with a good service history if I was to get a petrol vehicle.
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I'm a way off affording one although some of you probably aren't, but if you want the ultimate diesel, have a look at the stats on the latest F30 335d. The 0-60 and top speed more or less matches the V8 4.2FSI R8 yet it'll do 52mpg combined. Mapped, I'm sure it's even more competition for junior super cars and will make even faster stuff fully stretch it's legs on road and track. Perhaps the only real super-diesel-saloon?
Insane really.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/bmw/3-series/saloon-2012/61320/
If that's not fun, with or without xDrive, I don't know what is :signLOL: :driver: :party: :laugh:
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My mate nick's dad has a f30 335d x drive.
The launch control in it is mental. Never been faster from 0-30 it literally pins you. It's very very rapid to 60 of course and feels like a tour-de-force all the way up.
The average person buys a diesel power car because they automatically think it'll be cheaper to run than a petrol. If you don't do massive mileage it's pointless IMHO. Most modern diesels are just crap to advanced for there own good, diesel injectors for example just break for fun, £800 for 4 mondeo injectors :sick:
IMHO if you do average mileage your no better off running a diesel if anything your out of pocket.
I've had 2 diesels and done over 60k in them and never had an injector fail.
PD injectors are pence as they're all so common.. around £200 for a set of 4 :happy2:
Regarding MPG the truth is yes you do save more money the more you drive but people who say short journeys don't save you money i disagree with.
My commute is 2 miles door to door
Displayed consumption on my GTI for this drive would be 25 if I was lucky with the traffic lights.
I've get to get below 38 on my Scirocco.
No matter how hard I try I could never get more than about 42mpg from my Golf and that was on a boring ass-drive where as I can actually enjoy the drive in the Scirocco and get 52-53mpg without even trying, rising to about 60 if I make an effort.. the extra 300 or so miles of range I can get (700ish vs about 400) makes up for the small increase in fuel price itself.
Buying new then yes the difference is more readily noticable but buying a used vehicle the price gaps between petrol and diesel are much smaller and therefore you cannot use the "diesels are more expensive" argument. A new car may have a 1800 price difference between equivalent petrol and diesel models but in the second hand car market with prices far more negotiable and cars priced down to condition etc there is nothing in it in my opinion.
Yes DPF's " can " be problematic but so can many other things in life or on other vehicles. DPF's are fine by and large so long as a) you have them on a CR engine not a PD engine as they are not designed to work with PD engines and b) you actually understand the warning lights and drive the car as intended.
80% of issues with DPF's are the pressure sensors rather than the DPF itself and if you do have a blocked up DPF then you get a good, fair warning well in advance of any permanent issues. failure to act upon these warnings is what causes problems... Before my DPF was removed I could see the soot loading on my Fiscon Advanced, which, contrary to popular belief, would slowly increase even at 70mph on the motorway on cruise control, to around 15, at which point the EGT's would shoot up to around 650-700 and stay there, within about 5 minutes the soot loading was back down at 2.5 or so...the cycle would continue. I never once witnessed a passive regeneration which despite all of the information that's thrown around would explain a lot.
I don't know if it's true personally but I read somewhere a story of a guy who was a taxi driver in a CR engined Passat and did 118k all around London and apparently didn't ever have the DPF light on..
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I have a mapped CR140 on 98k which had an MOT advisory on emissions...reading too low to register. Treat the DPF with respect and you have little bother, and clean tailpipes.
I've had a few mapped PD engines and you can tell they're showing their age now.
I don't commute by car so don't foresee a time where I'll personally need higher MPG, as that is the main plus my GT TDI had over my ED30. Oh, and cheaper Road Tax.
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diesel are more in demand so the price goes up.Nothing boring bout my soot chucker
Nor mine.
+1
:happy2: :laugh:
Nor mine......in fact I love all the gadgets, smooth power and fuel economy but in all seriousness give it 6-12 months and the value of a diesel is going to fall through the floor if the Eurocrats get their way. Indeed it's already started in France!!
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/france-plans-diesel-engine-cull-fight-over-pollution
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The government actively encouraged this move towards Diesel with VED based on Co2 emissions, which isn't an accurate method of charging.
They've now been advised to deal with other potentially harmful gasses such as Nox.
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I'm just gutted that I need a diesel, so the high spec sick lookin gti has to go and I need to put extra money towards a car that is not as good! Just better on fuel! Cause the gt tdi's look nothing like as good as the gti! Pissed.
I disagree with that last section of your post, certainly in the case of the run-out Mk5 GT models there isn't a huge difference in appearance:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fx267%2FJ400uk%2FGTSportTSI170Charlestons.jpg&hash=78d74c4b18b73a141320358ce42ff14f8595bf0b)
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All GT models need a rear end lift... Too equal to the common Golfs, even the 170 HP versions with visible dual exhaust tips.
But as I said before, they're easy to upgrade to look better. :grin:
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Buy a cheap run around and keep the GTi for best. The difference between modern day petrol and diesel is coming down. Although I no longer have a VAG car, my 1.6 turbo petrol Titanium Focus does upto 56mpg with just under 200bhp. If you need to buy a diesel, look at other car brands as there are some fantastic cars out there that don't command the premium of Golfs. Hence why I moved to Ford as I needed to cut down fuel costs from my Octy VRS mk2 TFSi, but did not want to switch back to a diesel or pay over the odds for a car.
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Dpf's are crap and will cause you problems on higher mileage diesels or if you do a lot of short trips. I found this out when I bought my gt tdi that had 128k on it. It's now been removed and a stage one map and it's great now. 215bhp and 352ft / lb after the stage one map. Diesels are great but if you want the out and out power then it's probably gotta to be a gti. Golf diesels have always held there money well there is some mk4's out there that people are asking mk5 money for
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Before I went back to uni in 2012 I was considering getting a new car - when I compared the diesel I wanted and the equivalent petrol (A5 3.0TDI vs A5 2.0TFSI - both DSG quattro variants, same sort of power and on-paper performance), I worked out that it would have taken 4 years of diesel ownership with my circumstances to see a saving when factoring in initial purchase price, fuel, servicing, tax, insurance etc. etc. Diesel isn't always the cheaper option.
As it stood I did go back to uni so I kept my A3 2.0TFSI. My wife has a A3 1.9TDI. Mine will do 440mi on a tank. Hers does around 600mi on a tank. So my car is roughly 25% less fuel efficient. But diesel costs maybe 10-15% more to buy. When comparing mine and my missus cars, I'd very gladly pay a few more pounds a month in fuel and have a car with twice the power that is more fun to drive. It is a no brainer for me.
Diesel isn't the be all and end all. In a lot of situiations they can be really great, absolutely no doubt about that. But people need to sit down and work out whether it is the best option for them. In a lot of cases it isn't.
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Diesel isn't the be all and end all. In a lot of situiations they can be really great, absolutely no doubt about that. But people need to sit down and work out whether it is the best option for them. In a lot of cases it isn't.
That's what matters really. Do the math before buying a new car. :happy2:
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Dpf's are crap and will cause you problems on higher mileage diesels or if you do a lot of short trips. I found this out when I bought my gt tdi that had 128k on it. It's now been removed and a stage one map and it's great now. 215bhp and 352ft / lb after the stage one map. Diesels are great but if you want the out and out power then it's probably gotta to be a gti. Golf diesels have always held there money well there is some mk4's out there that people are asking mk5 money for
The DPF on a 2.0 TDI can hold a maximum amount of 175ml ash, after which it needs replacing. You'd expect to accumulate 10ml every 10,000 miles approximately, so roughly speaking I wouldn't be expecting mileage related DPF problems until the car is on 175k miles or thereabouts. This can be checked in VCDS measuring blocks.
During the week I mostly use mine on short town journeys unless I'm heading on site outside London. I find I do enough long distance driving to counterbalance the short runs that the DPF never gives me any aggravation.
I was considering removing it when I get the car remapped but I'm starting to wonder if there's actually any benefit to justify the cost in doing so.
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My Scirocco's DPF had 119k on it when it was removed and was completely healthy and normal.
As above, you can measure on VCDS and estimate remaining.