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Title: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: hunter2003k on December 02, 2014, 05:19:29 pm
On the run to work today my golf gti died, upon inspection it had no compression on any cylinder, and when we took the cam cover off the exhaust cam is snapped in two.

so at a guess i will need a complete cylinder head, plus timing belt kit, plus head gasket kit.

Can anyone reccomend a good source of used cylinder heads/remanufactured

i have only just replaced the clutch, flywheel & slave cylinder so not having much luck with the car.

car is 2005 55 plate axx engine

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Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: DamoP on December 02, 2014, 06:12:35 pm
On the run to work today my golf gti died, upon inspection it had no compression on any cylinder, and when we took the cam cover off the exhaust cam is snapped in two.

so at a guess i will need a complete cylinder head, plus timing belt kit, plus head gasket kit.

Can anyone reccomend a good source of used cylinder heads/remanufactured

i have only just replaced the clutch, flywheel & slave cylinder so not having much luck with the car.



car is 2005 55 plate axx engine

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv478%2Fhunter2003k%2F8944_10152838602132920_4420142556442569652_n_zps6acffd6b.jpg&hash=cbe26d16496cee51e328586e5adf4d1929ea2e56)

put an advert in the wanted section mate
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: Matthewsimone on December 02, 2014, 06:44:40 pm
Jesus these tfsi engines don't half throw up some bloody problems at times
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on December 02, 2014, 07:10:29 pm
Jesus these tfsi engines don't half throw up some bloody problems at times

If it helps, there have been hardly any serious failures like this mentioned on this forum since it started.

There are more on the Civic Type R forum tbh  :surprised:
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: Matthewsimone on December 02, 2014, 07:18:58 pm
Jesus these tfsi engines don't half throw up some bloody problems at times

If it helps, there have been hardly any serious failures like this mentioned on this forum since it started.

There are more on the Civic Type R forum tbh  :surprised:

That's a litle more reassuring to here  :happy2:
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: fab5freddy on December 02, 2014, 07:40:12 pm
Hey buddy,

Sorry to here of your troubles, i had bottom end trouble earlier in the year, so i feel your pain, i have my cylinder head for sale if your interested  :happy2:

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,91561.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,91561.0.html)
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: joestella28 on December 19, 2014, 07:43:45 pm
Hi Mate,

Have you still got your old Intake camshaft and if so, is it any good? The sprocket on mine has cracked putting the timing out  :surprised:

Let me know,

Joe
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: howie1987 on December 19, 2014, 08:05:31 pm
Jesus these tfsi engines don't half throw up some bloody problems at times

If it helps, there have been hardly any serious failures like this mentioned on this forum since it started.

There are more on the Civic Type R forum tbh  :surprised:
Been on the civic type r forums for years and never seen one lol. Only time a honda engine goes is if you don't top the oil up usually.

Never seen tfsi engine go like this either right enough.
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on December 20, 2014, 03:53:07 pm
Jesus these tfsi engines don't half throw up some bloody problems at times

If it helps, there have been hardly any serious failures like this mentioned on this forum since it started.

There are more on the Civic Type R forum tbh  :surprised:
Been on the civic type r forums for years and never seen one lol. Only time a honda engine goes is if you don't top the oil up usually.

Never seen tfsi engine go like this either right enough.

There's been quite a few on CTRO. A guy with an FN2 blew his up just accelerating onto the M62 (wasn't oil related either).

Focus ST 225s crack cylinder liners (tuned or stock) which makes the engine scrap.

The AXX TFSI engines have pretty poor camshafts, but bottom ends are stronger than BWA strangely enough. . .
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: howie1987 on December 20, 2014, 08:17:36 pm
Jesus these tfsi engines don't half throw up some bloody problems at times

If it helps, there have been hardly any serious failures like this mentioned on this forum since it started.

There are more on the Civic Type R forum tbh  :surprised:
Been on the civic type r forums for years and never seen one lol. Only time a honda engine goes is if you don't top the oil up usually.

Never seen tfsi engine go like this either right enough.

There's been quite a few on CTRO. A guy with an FN2 blew his up just accelerating onto the M62 (wasn't oil related either).

Focus ST 225s crack cylinder liners (tuned or stock) which makes the engine scrap.

The AXX TFSI engines have pretty poor camshafts, but bottom ends are stronger than BWA strangely enough. . .

Very unlucky then lol. Not saying its never happend just meaning i've not seen it over the years. I wasn't disputing what you were saying just incase it came across that wat lol.

Every engine will have its weak points just some are worse than others. And of course sometimes can be down to how well maintained it is.
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: hunter2003k on December 21, 2014, 01:19:57 am
Hi Mate,

Have you still got your old Intake camshaft and if so, is it any good? The sprocket on mine has cracked putting the timing out  :surprised:

Let me know,

Joe

the cam follower lobe on the intake camshaft is trashed, i will take some pictures of the stripped down head tomorrow and post them up, the exhaust camshaft journals are trashed, the oil gallerys were covered over by metal from either the cam or the head, loks to have probably been oil starved
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: hunter2003k on December 21, 2014, 01:24:18 am
Hi Mate,

Have you still got your old Intake camshaft and if so, is it any good? The sprocket on mine has cracked putting the timing out  :surprised:

Let me know,

Joe

if you want the cam you can have it, its heading to the scrap pile anyway
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
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Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: th3_f15t on December 22, 2014, 11:11:11 am
@vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981) - Do you have spare parts needing a new home?

Failing all else, may be worth looking towards a whole engine conversion to a CDL or BHZ (or similar). These are the K04 turbo, stronger and more powerful engines, they can take some serious punishment and are found in Audi S3, Seat Leon Cupra R and ED30 GTI's (I think). You can transfer pretty much everything from your existing setup to it (so all the clutch and flywheel work can be swapped over).
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: GTIEagles on December 22, 2014, 02:06:34 pm
What a crapper mate  :sad1: This makes me paranoid about my car being a AXX on 100K. What was the mileage when this happened and do you know if the cam follower was ever replaced?
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: th3_f15t on December 22, 2014, 03:17:36 pm
What a crapper mate  :sad1: This makes me paranoid about my car being a AXX on 100K. What was the mileage when this happened and do you know if the cam follower was ever replaced?

Try to not get too paranoid, this is the first report of this many people on here will have seen and as mentioned its very uncommon generally.
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on December 22, 2014, 04:10:49 pm
@RedRobin (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) has done around 110,000 miles in his red chariot. His has the AXX engine, and hasn't exactly had an easy life.

I'm sure he will be around soon to explain the importance of regular serving, TLC etc  :happy2:
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: RedRobin on December 22, 2014, 06:24:19 pm
@RedRobin (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) has done around 110,000 miles in his red chariot. His has the AXX engine, and hasn't exactly had an easy life.

I'm sure he will be around soon to explain the importance of regular serving, TLC etc  :happy2:

....Currently 112,000 miles in 9 years from new. Very regular servicing (every 20k miles on a modified GTI) and also plugs changes, are sensible preventative measures. Of course any machine constructed out of over 5,000 separate components plus complex electronics, can go wrong but the key is to minimise the chances of expensive problems.

At startup I always allow time for the engine's revs to die down below 1,000 revs before engaging gear so the fluids get a chance to flow. And I never over rev the engine. When circumstances are safe I sometimes do drive hard but always sympathetically to the car. Let's not forget however that a GTI is designed to be given some free rein.

Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: hunter2003k on December 22, 2014, 07:18:01 pm
Car is on 87000, the cam follower had worn through and the cam lobe is mess, when i replaced the oil pickup it was pretty bad, i also found a piece of the cam chain tensioner broken off in the chain tensioner housing housing.

i have sourced a replacement head from member fab5freddy, and i will strip the bottom end down to check for any damage before rebuilding the engine.
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: th3_f15t on December 23, 2014, 09:20:20 am
Might be worth looking at forged internals if you have plans to upgrade power at any stage, would work out cheaper at this point than if you decided at a later stage as the engine will already be dismantled.

As above, I let the revs settle and wait till the engine temperature at 90 degrees before engaging the turbo, ensuring warm oil is pumped through the whole engine before working it up. Also, I've taken to starting the car with the clutch in as it takes load of the starter motor and definitely results in a quicker start each time (hot or cold).

Get a member's ride post up following your progress with the re-build, would be interesting to read about it. :happy2:
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: hunter2003k on December 23, 2014, 08:13:12 pm
Might be worth looking at forged internals if you have plans to upgrade power at any stage, would work out cheaper at this point than if you decided at a later stage as the engine will already be dismantled.

As above, I let the revs settle and wait till the engine temperature at 90 degrees before engaging the turbo, ensuring warm oil is pumped through the whole engine before working it up. Also, I've taken to starting the car with the clutch in as it takes load of the starter motor and definitely results in a quicker start each time (hot or cold).

Get a member's ride post up following your progress with the re-build, would be interesting to read about it. :happy2:

I will start taking pictures while doing work on it, only fitting in an hour or two after work

currently the head is off, fitted new thermostat and refitted alternator, stuck waiting on waterpump arriving as parts co sent wrong one.
Title: Re: Snapped |Exhaust Camshaft
Post by: Tortaruga on December 23, 2014, 08:23:26 pm
As above, I let the revs settle and wait till the engine temperature at 90 degrees
That's the coolant temperature. You should wait until the engine oil is up to temp.