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Title: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: JKM on November 19, 2009, 04:33:47 pm
Not sure where to announce this so hopefully its in the right place for all those DSG owners.

REVO have been working hard on DSG performance software for sometime now and the result is amazing.

Running the DSG transmission performance software allows you to use the full potential of the engine, giving the control back to the driver. Hold onto the gear through that sweeping corner without the worry of the transmission shifting up and throwing out the balance of the car, have no worries about using full throttle and having the car jump about whilst shifting down for you… get back in full control with Revo DSG software.

This software is available on request and has a Spectacular Introductory Special Offer: up to 31st December 2009 - 50% off the normal RRP

DSG (Stage1) with existing Revo software just £149 + VAT
DSG (Stage2) with existing Revo software just £199 + VAT

Vehicles Covered:
Audi A3 MY 04 - 07
Audi TT MkII MY 06 – 07
VW Golf GTi MY 05 - 08
VW Golf Edition30|Pirelli MY 07 - 08
VW Jetta MY 06 – 07
SEAT Leon MY 06 – 08

The software can also be used along side any other performance map you may have and for non revo customers is priced at:

DSG (Stage1) £299 + VAT
DSG (Stage2) £399 + VAT

Software available on request only so for further information please contact us on enquiries@jkm.org.uk or REVO direct
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: jonnyc on November 19, 2009, 04:41:45 pm
This is the best thing thats happened to DSG since it was conceived!

Mega, been in my Golf since the start now and its fantastic. Results speak for themselves..
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Hedge on November 19, 2009, 04:51:31 pm
What's the difference etween stage 1 and stage 2?
Title: So, REVO's DSG map is finally out....
Post by: tony_danza on November 19, 2009, 04:52:28 pm
I'm getting it tomorrow.

I didn't have chance to find out what the differences between stage 1 and 2 are, as I was actually doing some work when Votex called me.. Anyone know?

For existing REVO customers:

S1 £149+VAT
S2 £199+VAT

Anyone else, as it'll work with any software:

S1 £299+VAT
S2 £399+VAT

Expect full report after my track day at Oulton next week - nice bit of home turf and only a short while since I was there should give me a good base for comparison.

Really looking forward to this  :happy2:
Title: Re: So, REVO's DSG map is finally out....
Post by: animal on November 19, 2009, 04:54:27 pm
Excellent news, been waiting for this. Anything particularly different to GIAC version?

And are they offering anything for diesels as this seems to be a gap in the market!
Title: Re: So, REVO's DSG map is finally out....
Post by: tony_danza on November 19, 2009, 04:56:05 pm
I thought it was any DSG, petrol or diesel??
Title: Re: So, REVO's DSG map is finally out....
Post by: animal on November 19, 2009, 04:58:22 pm
Given the difference in rev limits, I've always assumed the diesel DSG to ran totally different software. I've never managed to get a conclusive answer as to whether the GIAC works on a diesel, just wondering if Revo will offer anything?
Title: Re: So, REVO's DSG map is finally out....
Post by: tony_danza on November 19, 2009, 05:03:18 pm
You can but ask, Animal - offer to be a guinea pig, if not?
Title: Re: So, REVO's DSG map is finally out....
Post by: Hurdy on November 19, 2009, 05:03:36 pm
If it is like the GIAC software, then the rev limits are programmable, so it shouldn't take too long to get a diesel DSG remap made up :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: tony_danza on November 19, 2009, 05:08:42 pm
I'm currently doing the I'm getting it tomorrow dance.

What's stage 1 & 2??

(Shows how much I asked when booking in...)
Title: Re: So, REVO's DSG map is finally out....
Post by: RedRobin on November 19, 2009, 05:12:47 pm
....

I've forgotten, tony_d - Are you a K03 or K04 car?
Title: Re: So, REVO's DSG map is finally out....
Post by: tony_danza on November 19, 2009, 05:14:10 pm
K03 Robin - working class GTI
Title: Re: So, REVO's DSG map is finally out....
Post by: Hurdy on November 19, 2009, 05:14:44 pm
I'm very fickle and maybe going down the REVO DSG route too. Rude not to if you have REVO ECU software :evilgrin:
Title: Re: So, REVO's DSG map is finally out....
Post by: revo carl on November 19, 2009, 05:18:39 pm
no kick down in manual mode  :happy2:

full marketing bumph will be out soon!  :smiley:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: tony_danza on November 19, 2009, 05:25:53 pm
Yeah, I need that too Carl.

Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Hurdy on November 19, 2009, 05:28:38 pm
Carl beat me from the phone to the PC :grin:

Just come off the phone to find out what stage 1 and 2 were :smiley:
Title: Re: So, REVO's DSG map is finally out....
Post by: jonnyc on November 19, 2009, 05:43:17 pm
I'm very fickle and maybe going down the REVO DSG route too. Rude not to if you have REVO ECU software :evilgrin:

You know you want to! Would be a shame to have anything else wouldn't it?  :wink:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: bacillus on November 19, 2009, 05:46:36 pm

Just come off the phone to find out what stage 1 and 2 were :smiley:

Any info on the differences?
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Smudgster on November 19, 2009, 05:49:57 pm
Yea would life to know the differences too!!!!!! :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: SteveP on November 19, 2009, 06:47:07 pm
Been running an early version of the DSG code for just over 2 months and it awesome, having the manual mode withoutout kickdown or forced change up is the way DSG should have always been   :happy2:

Will be off to Revo next week to get updated to the production version  :party:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: NB07 on November 19, 2009, 07:21:28 pm
wow this sounds inviting! but we need to cough up before crimbo or the price will rocket right?? i just need some justification! and i take it as a stage one revo car i only need stage 1 DSG software??  :confused:

 :party:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 19, 2009, 07:42:50 pm

and i take it as a stage one revo car i only need stage 1 DSG software??  :confused:


....No, Revo's ECU performance remaps are quite separate and independent from the DSG remap options.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: NB07 on November 19, 2009, 07:44:49 pm

and i take it as a stage one revo car i only need stage 1 DSG software??  :confused:


....No, Revo's ECU performance remaps are quite separate and independent from the DSG remap options.

oh, thanks robin i still need more info tho so i might phone my local dudes at vagtech tomorrow for info  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Rich on November 19, 2009, 07:50:11 pm
I'm assuming this will affect warrenty issues ??

Is there anything to disable this should anything go wrong... and have to take it in to VW for warrenty repair ?
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: bacillus on November 19, 2009, 07:52:44 pm


Is there anything to disable this should anything go wrong...

Nothing apart from reflashing back the oem software...
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 19, 2009, 08:42:48 pm

Been running an early version of the DSG code for just over 2 months and it awesome, having the manual mode withoutout kickdown or forced change up is the way DSG should have always been   :happy2:

Will be off to Revo next week to get updated to the production version  :party:


Ditto  :happy2:
Wasnt aware that the earlier ones were different but worth the ask..


....The earlier versions are definitely different from the newly released production ones.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Hurdy on November 19, 2009, 09:24:50 pm

Just come off the phone to find out what stage 1 and 2 were :smiley:

Any info on the differences?

The benefits are bigger if you are on REVO ECU software as the DSG software has been specifically tailored to suit :happy2:

Stage 2 is tailored to suit the higher tuned cars and also gives a 4k rpm launch control function for those who have 4WD/ TOYO R888's etc.

The REVO ECU software ups the limiter to 7,400rpm and so the DSG software in manual mode allows you to use all this powerband to the engine limiter. GIAC by comparison have a 7,250 ECU limit and the DSG changes up at around 7k in sport and 7,100rpm in manual.

There are a couple of things that disappointed me about the GIAC DSG software and they are:-

Kickdown is still enabled in manual mode, but seems to have a delay on it over stock to give the sensation of removing the kickdown
The DSG will still gear up at the 7.1k soft limit in manual mode after hitting the limiter. Not particularly a worry, but I'd rather have a hard limit and decide when I want to change the gears when in manual mode.

Both of these functions don't really get in the way of control too much on the road, but when on track you do notice it more.

I do have one more question that I need to ask REVO and that is ....Do they up the torque handling capacity of the DSG unit like GIAC do?     ie increase the oil pressure on the clutch plates to give a firmer, faster response as this is one function I wouldn't like to lose.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: SteveP on November 19, 2009, 09:32:54 pm
^^^ From what carl told me earlier when he called me to arrange getting me in for the update it defo has the faster shift times now (which my current version does not).  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Rich on November 19, 2009, 09:50:03 pm
Whats the difference with Stage 2 to Stage 1 ?

I read on other forums Stage 2 and fuel cut issues ?


I doubt this REVO Software will be ok for my Pirelli because Carl said the 58 Reg Pirelli has a newer DSG than all other GTi's

I may have to wait :popcornsoda: :sad1:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: SteveP on November 19, 2009, 09:51:56 pm
Whats the difference with Stage 2 to Stage 1 ?

I read on other forums Stage 2 and fuel cut issues ?


I doubt this REVO Software will be ok for my Pirelli because Carl said the 58 Reg Pirelli has a newer DSG than all other GTi's

I may have to wait :popcornsoda: :sad1:

Fuel cut is nothing to do with DSG remaps as far as I am aware, this sounds like something on Stage 2 engine remaps for the K03 cars.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 19, 2009, 10:14:48 pm

Fuel cut is nothing to do with DSG remaps as far as I am aware, this sounds like something on Stage 2 engine remaps for the K03 cars.


....And the fuel cuts may very likely be initiated by a Stage2 K03 car having an aftermarket high-flow tubular air intake which makes the system flow more air - Hence more fuel is required - Hence the fuel pressure will drop more and then actions cuts < High Boost settings may also introduce compromises. Turning down the Boost setting is one way to redress the balance. It's one of the great features of the Revo that you can fine tune the settings so easily.

I've looked into this particular question of fuel cuts with JKM because of my intention to upgrade my air intake.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on November 19, 2009, 10:23:23 pm
Wohoo - looks like I'll be spending yet more money...  :chicken:

How do I justify my insanity!!!
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Hurdy on November 19, 2009, 10:40:00 pm
^^^ From what carl told me earlier when he called me to arrange getting me in for the update it defo has the faster shift times now (which my current version does not).  :happy2:

That's good to hear :happy2:

All I need confirmed now is whether the torque handling has been increased :jumping:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: revo carl on November 20, 2009, 09:05:29 am
yes the torque limit is increased!

500NM so more than allowing for a 3071R  :wink:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: bacillus on November 20, 2009, 09:31:19 am
Carl, can any revo dealer do this update?
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: tony_danza on November 20, 2009, 09:35:52 am
I should imagine so, Votex in Congleton are doing mine.

I'll let you know what it is like after lunch!
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: revo carl on November 20, 2009, 09:37:58 am
yes any approved revo dealer can supply this software  :smiley:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: bacillus on November 20, 2009, 09:43:09 am
yes any approved revo dealer can supply this software  :smiley:

Does the dealer need to know anything specific about the car before odering the file i.e. info from VCDS?
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on November 20, 2009, 09:52:39 am
Is the original firmware backed up before applying the DSG remap...just in case there are any issues, etc.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: revo carl on November 20, 2009, 09:57:08 am
Does the dealer need to know anything specific about the car before odering the file i.e. info from VCDS?

yes we will need to know which version of stock software your car has before a file will be released to your dealer so if you can pre-emt it by sending a screenshot from VCDS to your dealer in advance it will make the process smoother for sure!

Is the original firmware backed up before applying the DSG remap...just in case there are any issues, etc.

Yes we will have the stock file for your car on file so can be returned to stock at any point! :)
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: tony_danza on November 20, 2009, 10:14:44 am
Carl, have you had an R36 to play with? I might know a willing guinea pig....
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Revo Kev on November 20, 2009, 10:17:05 am
R36... got a test mule over in Dubai! :)
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: T88OMM on November 20, 2009, 10:19:16 am
Hey Carl or Kev,

Does the software for the ED30/Pirelli work on the S-tronic S3's?  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: revo carl on November 20, 2009, 10:21:03 am
coming soon  :wink:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: T88OMM on November 20, 2009, 10:22:38 am
coming soon  :wink:

Coolio  :jumpmove: :jumpmove:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: jonnyc on November 20, 2009, 10:25:09 am
coming soon  :wink:

Coolio  :jumpmove: :jumpmove:

Tom, get yourself some bolt ons and stage 2+.. Along with the Revo S-Tronic map I honestly think your car would be looking at low 12's in the 1/4!! Do it!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: tony_danza on November 20, 2009, 10:54:36 am
R36... got a test mule over in Dubai! :)

Interesting....

I've passed the message on.  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: bacillus on November 20, 2009, 01:27:26 pm

yes we will need to know which version of stock software your car has before a file will be released to your dealer so if you can pre-emt it by sending a screenshot from VCDS to your dealer in advance it will make the process smoother for sure!


Could you please elaborate further on exactly what screen shot in VCDS is required?

As for the map itself, does it change the shift points in D when pootling along?
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: revo carl on November 20, 2009, 02:02:30 pm
Could you please elaborate further on exactly what screen shot in VCDS is required?

As for the map itself, does it change the shift points in D when pootling along?

Just a screenshot of the gearbox control module in VCDS

at part throttle the box will behave as stock! at full throttle shift points have been raised!
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 20, 2009, 02:18:02 pm
....

Hi Carl,

Can you explain a little about the differences between DSG Stage1 and Stage2 please?
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: bacillus on November 20, 2009, 02:25:14 pm
Not to steal Carl's thunder but this is what Kev has said about the differences:

"You can’t use stage2 DSG software on any K03 car, it’s too much and it won’t upshift in 5th/6th gear.
Stage2 is designed for K04 Stage2+ and for GT3071 cars. The differences are the launch control rpm setting, and the sport mode rpm/load/throttle plate shift maps".
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: tony_danza on November 20, 2009, 04:02:35 pm
Scientific fact: It's good. Really good.

I've not had a great deal of a play, but some hooning around Cheshire's finest backroads in M confirms it works very well indeed. Seems somehow smoother, which I didn't expect, almost like a seamless CVT in D.

Main thing I've noticed - when getting near the limiter, it felt like power tailed off. Then when in the next gear up, there'd be a tiny bit of lag. I thought it was just the K03 running out of puff.

Now, I realise it makes power all the way up to the limiter. You shift and whammy, instantly it's back on full power. No lag... who needs a fancy WOT box  :wink:

This is going to be very good on the track.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: gazbutS3 on November 20, 2009, 04:07:47 pm
almost makes me want DSG, feel like I missing out :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 20, 2009, 04:28:25 pm
^^^^
@ bacillus: Thanks, yet again for being so helpful and informative  :drinking:

@ tony_danza: Smoooothness is what immediately struck me back in March on an early version of Stage1 (K03). It's subtle but very, very good.

When I went on JKM's dyno a while back, they didn't know at first about my Revo DSG and I remember them saying it felt different and easier on the rollers for their purposes.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: T88OMM on November 20, 2009, 07:55:01 pm
coming soon  :wink:

Coolio  :jumpmove: :jumpmove:

Tom, get yourself some bolt ons and stage 2+.. Along with the Revo S-Tronic map I honestly think your car would be looking at low 12's in the 1/4!! Do it!!  :laugh:

All going to be sorted matey, just need to save some pennies!  :laugh: :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on November 20, 2009, 09:45:50 pm
So, I take it makes the car faster - or just easier to drive?
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: jonnyc on November 20, 2009, 09:46:57 pm
So, I take it makes the car faster - or just easier to drive?

Both in equal measures  :smiley:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 20, 2009, 10:13:02 pm

So, I take it makes the car faster - or just easier to drive?


Both in equal measures  :smiley:


....Not faster in mph terms but faster in response.

Also easier in terms of more direct response. I'd say more fluid and smoother.

So the car feels faster. I can only offer my view re K03 GTI's.  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: prepree on November 20, 2009, 10:35:14 pm
This may seem like a stupid question but im going to ask anyway.....

I havent got a map, totally standard, would / is this map available to standard cars, i drive using manual mode quite frequently and it would be great to iron out the niggles that have been mentioned before. If anything just free up the changes and feel a little more direct.



Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 20, 2009, 10:44:05 pm

This may seem like a stupid question but im going to ask anyway.....

I havent got a map, totally standard, would / is this map available to standard cars, i drive using manual mode quite frequently and it would be great to iron out the niggles that have been mentioned before. If anything just free up the changes and feel a little more direct.


....Not a stupid question at all.

It's totally independent of the ECU map (as I understand it) and will definitely be of some joy - It's primarily designed for and works better for M-mode than anything else. I drive 95% in M-mode too. I've been driving with Revo's DSG pre-release version since March - It's very good. It is subtle on a K03 car though.

HTH
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on November 20, 2009, 10:52:55 pm

So, I take it makes the car faster - or just easier to drive?


Both in equal measures  :smiley:


....Not faster in mph terms but faster in response.

Also easier in terms of more direct response. I'd say more fluid and smoother.

So the car feels faster. I can only offer my view re K03 GTI's.  :happy2:
Well that's great fellow GTi K03 owner... so do you have the remap already RR?
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: prepree on November 20, 2009, 10:54:41 pm

This may seem like a stupid question but im going to ask anyway.....

I havent got a map, totally standard, would / is this map available to standard cars, i drive using manual mode quite frequently and it would be great to iron out the niggles that have been mentioned before. If anything just free up the changes and feel a little more direct.


....Not a stupid question at all.

It's totally independent of the ECU map (as I understand it) and will definitely be of some joy - It's primarily designed for and works better for M-mode than anything else. I drive 95% in M-mode too. I've been driving with Revo's DSG pre-release version since March - It's very good. It is subtle on a K03 car though.

HTH


Thanks RR, im still leaning to saving for the engine map first but was thinking out loud!
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 20, 2009, 11:05:45 pm

Well that's great fellow GTi K03 owner... so do you have the remap already RR?


....Yes, pre-release version since March, so easily 10,000 miles of it without any problems. Production version going on when I next visit JKM.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Hurdy on November 24, 2009, 12:35:50 pm

Just come off the phone to find out what stage 1 and 2 were :smiley:

Any info on the differences?

The benefits are bigger if you are on REVO ECU software as the DSG software has been specifically tailored to suit :happy2:

Stage 2 is tailored to suit the higher tuned cars and also gives a 4k rpm launch control function for those who have 4WD/ TOYO R888's etc.

The REVO ECU software ups the limiter to 7,400rpm and so the DSG software in manual mode allows you to use all this powerband to the engine limiter. GIAC by comparison have a 7,250 ECU limit and the DSG changes up at around 7k in sport and 7,100rpm in manual.

There are a couple of things that disappointed me about the GIAC DSG software and they are:-

Kickdown is still enabled in manual mode, but seems to have a delay on it over stock to give the sensation of removing the kickdown
The DSG will still gear up at the 7.1k soft limit in manual mode after hitting the limiter. Not particularly a worry, but I'd rather have a hard limit and decide when I want to change the gears when in manual mode.

Both of these functions don't really get in the way of control too much on the road, but when on track you do notice it more.

I do have one more question that I need to ask REVO and that is ....Do they up the torque handling capacity of the DSG unit like GIAC do?     ie increase the oil pressure on the clutch plates to give a firmer, faster response as this is one function I wouldn't like to lose.
Just had to make an edit to this. I'd told my GIAC dealer that REVO had brought out the DSG software and how I was disappointed with the GIAC DSG software functions by comparison.

Had a phone call this morning telling me that I can pop down as they have now updated the software and it virtually matches REVO's stage 2 specs.

Delimit on torque handling in first and second gears
7,400 redline in manual
Manual now fully locked out
Enhanced sport mode
Launch control limit lifted to 4,000rpm

So I'm going to give this another try and it would mean saving £230 notes. :smiley:

So, if you have a GIAC DSG remap already.....you may want to pop back down to your dealer and update it  :star:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on November 24, 2009, 01:00:13 pm
^^^ Trator^^^  :grin:
I can also confirm how good this software is.  :happy2: As, like JC, i've had it since the biggining of the year (albeit not driven it since bloody March  :grin:).
What differences are there between my file and the production one Carl, any?
Oh and a bit of advice to those who are getting the file... Remember to change gear when in manual mode  :signLOL: As I had many  :ashamed: moments when getting a bit carried away and wondered why the car stopped accelerating..  :ashamed: Soon get use to it though and the changes are uber smooth  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: jonnyc on November 24, 2009, 01:13:25 pm
Hurdy.. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  :wink:

I love driving the DSG box with the Revo file on it, just makes it involving where as in standard form it really isn't..

Also for those that are doubting the performance advantage, it definitely does make the car physically faster, faster shift times, raised limiter and increased torque limit makes a BIG difference, I would expect on a K03 too!

Anyone thinking about it, just do it! Its a bloody bargain!!
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: animal on November 24, 2009, 01:22:14 pm
This is likely to be the very first thing I do when I get my hands on a GTI, and I mean literally the day I buy it - probably before I even get the engine remapped too (still have a wedding to pay for... which would get me a Golf R with options!!).
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: jonnyc on November 24, 2009, 01:23:33 pm
This is likely to be the very first thing I do when I get my hands on a GTI, and I mean literally the day I buy it - probably before I even get the engine remapped too (still have a wedding to pay for... which would get me a Golf R with options!!).

Haha..

Stage 1 + DSG map would transform the car for sure..
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Hurdy on November 24, 2009, 01:26:58 pm
 :ashamed:

I have to at least try it :laugh:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: jonnyc on November 24, 2009, 01:34:33 pm
:ashamed:

I have to at least try it :laugh:

Look what hapened last time you 'tried' a map hey..  :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: GTIjames on November 24, 2009, 01:37:40 pm
:ashamed:

I have to at least try it :laugh:

let us know how you get on

think im gonna switch to revo though - cant be bothered with the journey down to southampton to see my giac dealer  :sick:

plus just seems better sense to be running revo for both applications
 
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: SteveP on November 24, 2009, 02:16:26 pm
Just got home after having mine updated to the production version of the stage 2 map by Carl and Kev @ Revo HQ.

Initial thoughts are it's a great improvement over the basic pre-production version I had before  :happy2:

Full review to follow later today  :fighting2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on November 24, 2009, 03:54:07 pm
:ashamed:

I have to at least try it :laugh:
Course you have mate.. Just change once you've tried it..  :signLOL: Think we should start calling you Tom (Tom) the amount of maps you've had mate..  :grin:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: revo carl on November 24, 2009, 04:43:35 pm
What differences are there between my file and the production one Carl, any?

it's a culmination of everything we've ever tested mate..... and all the good usual stuff it will be an improvement over your current stuff, get the car in with someone for the update ;-)

:ashamed:

I have to at least try it :laugh:

I don't blame you..... try it and then meet up with someone like Steve, I put production software in Steve's car today and :evilgrin: it was simply awesome... then go with your initial intentions... :wink: (but remember you’ve only got until the end of December to get the best deal!)

Jonny learnt the hard way….. I’m always right! LOL!
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: jonnyc on November 24, 2009, 04:47:43 pm
Jonny learnt the hard way….. I’m always right! LOL!

Yesss yess okkkkkk.. I admit it! lol..  :congrats:  :notworthy:  :star:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: illyun on November 24, 2009, 04:48:06 pm
Just seen this thread... I am back in the UK for few weeks and might come down for a DSG remap  :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 24, 2009, 04:52:04 pm
^^^^
WoooHoooo!! Welcome back, illyun! :jumpmove:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Hurdy on November 24, 2009, 07:44:21 pm
:ashamed:

I have to at least try it :laugh:
Course you have mate.. Just change once you've tried it..  :signLOL: Think we should start calling you Tom (Tom) the amount of maps you've had mate..  :grin:

If there's a rim king, I suppose I must be the map king :grin:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Top Cat on November 24, 2009, 08:36:53 pm


Is the original firmware backed up before applying the DSG remap...just in case there are any issues, etc.

Yes we will have the stock file for your car on file so can be returned to stock at any point! :)


Carl excuse my duffesness i dont know much about loading and keeping files. If say someone had your DSG software and then they get the known mechatronics fault,( not linked to your DSG map of course just the generic fault that a few of the boxes have).
If say then the op had the DSG box flashed back to stock to take it to the dealers to sort out the mechs problem. Would the dealer be able to tell that the box has had a map on, is there a flash count of some sort.  :happy2:

Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: animal on November 24, 2009, 08:38:39 pm
Any plans to transplant the S-Tronic box Jonny?  :laugh:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: SteveP on November 24, 2009, 08:40:14 pm


Is the original firmware backed up before applying the DSG remap...just in case there are any issues, etc.

Yes we will have the stock file for your car on file so can be returned to stock at any point! :)


Carl excuse my duffesness i dont know much about loading and keeping files. If say someone had your DSG software and then they get the known mechatronics fault,( not linked to your DSG map of course just the generic fault that a few of the boxes have).
If say then the op had the DSG box flashed back to stock to take it to the dealers to sort out the mechs problem. Would the dealer be able to tell that the box has had a map on, is there a flash count of some sort.  :happy2:



I can answer this one TC, Carl confirmed to me today they reset the flash counter so it wouldn't be obvious to the dealer  :happy2:

He also believes that this could be one thing the Revo software does that the others don't  :smiley:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on November 24, 2009, 08:41:50 pm
Any DSG remappers close to Luton? The TTShop haven't come back as of yet and I don't want to lose out on the special offer.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Top Cat on November 24, 2009, 08:44:13 pm


Is the original firmware backed up before applying the DSG remap...just in case there are any issues, etc.

Yes we will have the stock file for your car on file so can be returned to stock at any point! :)


Carl excuse my duffesness i dont know much about loading and keeping files. If say someone had your DSG software and then they get the known mechatronics fault,( not linked to your DSG map of course just the generic fault that a few of the boxes have).
If say then the op had the DSG box flashed back to stock to take it to the dealers to sort out the mechs problem. Would the dealer be able to tell that the box has had a map on, is there a flash count of some sort.  :happy2:



I can answer this one TC, Carl confirmed to me today they reset the flash counter so it wouldn't be obvious to the dealer  :happy2:

He also believes that this could be one thing the Revo software does that the others don't  :smiley:

Cheers PG  :happy2:

I have been reading over the pond that a couple of the R32 boys have been back in for another mech unit after already having one replaced.  :chicken:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: NB07 on November 24, 2009, 08:44:38 pm
it would be good if we could set it back to standard settings with the SPS but i cant imagine dealers looking for the DSG software or is it really noticeable to them if the drive the car? im this close to getting this before crimbo but always worry!  :chicken:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: SteveP on November 24, 2009, 08:46:18 pm

Cheers PG  :happy2:

I have been reading over the pond that a couple of the R32 boys have been back in for another mech unit after already having one replaced.  :chicken:

Tell me about it  :scared:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: jonnyc on November 24, 2009, 08:46:52 pm
Any plans to transplant the S-Tronic box Jonny?  :laugh:

Who knows.. To be honest I wouldn't be too confident about it holding up ok with the 4wd and extra weight of the S3 over the ED30.. But for sure if it worked then it would make the car a fair bit quicker!
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 24, 2009, 08:55:02 pm

I can answer this one TC, Carl confirmed to me today they reset the flash counter so it wouldn't be obvious to the dealer  :happy2:

He also believes that this could be one thing the Revo software does that the others don't  :smiley:


....Playing Devil's Advocate here, but isn't this 'reset the flash counter' method the same principle which has been extensively discussed all over cyberspace regarding remapping the ECU and largely shown not to be foolproof if VAG did a specialist investigation? It doesn't really matter imo whether aftermarket software is detectable or not - I believe in a policy of being honest in such matters.

Certainly at this early time of DSG remaps, it's hardly likely to become an issue but we don't know about the future.

Another question is whether a battery disconnection resets the Revo DSG remap to oem. But judging from Carl's earlier post about this, I think it doesn't do this on Revo's current softwarez.

:happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: SteveP on November 24, 2009, 08:58:44 pm
^^^ I didn't say it would fool a "specialist investigation" just the tools a dealership would typically have available to them. But like with all things car modification related you know you risk voiding your warranty.

The DSG remap does not have settings like the engine ECU remap so is not affected by battery disconnects in the same way.  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Phil Mcavity on November 24, 2009, 09:01:52 pm
Just seen this thread... I am back in the UK for few weeks and might come down for a DSG remap  :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

Fancy a Forum meet this saturday Nadeem. RR day in Surrey??

Good to see you back :drinking:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 24, 2009, 09:07:57 pm

^^^ I didn't say it would fool a "specialist investigation" just the tools a dealership would typically have available to them. But like with all things car modification related you know you risk voiding your warranty.


....And I didn't say that you did say it would etc.


The DSG remap does not have settings like the engine ECU remap so is not affected by battery disconnects in the same way.  :happy2:


....Thanks. As I thought but worth asking for everyone's benefit.  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: NB07 on November 24, 2009, 09:29:10 pm
sorry to still be dumb but does it make D any different as i spend a lot of time in traffic as well as motorways  :chicken:

this is going to eat into my exhaust pot big time!!  :scared:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: SteveP on November 24, 2009, 09:34:47 pm
^^^ D and S only change on the Stage 2 map which is the one for K04 Stage 2+ & Big Turbo cars, they are slightly more aggressive.

Even then they only change the full throttle mapping and not the part throttle.

So for traffic and motorways it makes no difference  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: NB07 on November 24, 2009, 09:44:14 pm
cool thanks steve, has to be made simple for my small but not quite peanut sized mind :smiley:

im left in a predicament though as to wether im gonna end up going to 2+ any time soon! maybe i should just get the Stage 2 DSG software now unless there will be a way to upgrade in the future without buying it twice  :scared:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Phil Mcavity on November 24, 2009, 10:02:06 pm
Exhaust next Nick  stage 2 2nd  :drinking:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: NB07 on November 24, 2009, 10:17:03 pm
hmm, dont tell me that phylis maybe the exhaust can wait! sounds like a very good deal to the DSG peeps bearing in mind the giac software is nearly  four hundred notes i expect this will be when the offer evaporates... . eeek no chrismas pressise for anyone this year!  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Hurdy on November 24, 2009, 11:55:12 pm
The REVO DSG remap deal is only on till the 31st Dec and after that it will cost you another £240 to buy it unless you DON'T already have a REVO ECU remap, in which case it is only going to cost you an extra £10 (VAT goes back to 17.5% in Jan 2010) :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: bacillus on November 25, 2009, 10:58:22 pm
Some more info on the software by Chris of revo in this thread.
 http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107515
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: revo carl on November 26, 2009, 05:28:11 pm
http://www.revotechnik.com/aboutRevo/news/dsg.aspx

the formal release details :)
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 26, 2009, 05:51:00 pm
^^^^

"Shift maps: Stage1 DSG software Drive and Sport shift maps are based on the sportiest available factory specification maps. With our global market, we have access to, and have been able to test all factory variants and hand pick the sportiest factory maps upon which to base our shift maps. European GTi maps have slightly increased rpm shift points for different throttle positions over other factory versions, giving a sportier drive to cars running other regional software".

....Wow! Does that mean that D and S-modes now have sportier shift thresholds in the new release?

I don't much use D and S nowadays but look forward to using S more once I've updated at JKM.
 
:notworthy:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: SteveP on November 26, 2009, 10:06:12 pm
Well I have put nearly 500 miles on mine since being updated to the production version of the stage 2 DSG map.

S Mode is as unusable as ever (IMHO) but the revised D mode on the Stage 2 map is a vast improvement. The part throttle control is as before but full throttle mapping is slightly more aggressive and feels suited to the car.  :happy2:

It really makes the car feel faster, which just reminds me I really need to get some better brakes sorted  :signLOL: :signLOL:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Rich on November 26, 2009, 10:58:17 pm
I'm so upset i cant get this... as my Pirelli ( 58 reg ) DSG gearbox is a newer version than pre 58 reg DSG boxes ...

Carl has said he needs someone like mine for trials... but this is a fair while off :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1:


so so so so sooo dissapointed as this is a mod i'd most welcome :smiley:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Top Cat on November 26, 2009, 11:18:58 pm
Whats the difference with your box Rich compared to the older ones, do you know.  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 26, 2009, 11:21:45 pm
....

Your time will come, Rich, matey  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: animal on November 26, 2009, 11:27:44 pm
Whats the difference with your box Rich compared to the older ones, do you know.  :happy2:

Revised MCU.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Top Cat on November 26, 2009, 11:39:42 pm
Whats the difference with your box Rich compared to the older ones, do you know.  :happy2:

Revised MCU.

Is that short for mechatronics unit.  :ashamed:  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on November 26, 2009, 11:55:44 pm
^^^^
Yep, AFAIK, Mechatronics Control Unit aka Mechatronics Module.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: illyun on December 01, 2009, 01:27:29 pm
^^^^
WoooHoooo!! Welcome back, illyun! :jumpmove:

Thanks RR  :happy2:  I am hoping to go down to JKM to get the DSG Remap, a resonated Milltek (wife is driving the car with the non-res and although she thinks its ok, I think its too loud for the kids) and hopefully JonnyC's carbon fibre cold air intake that he had on his car.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Greeners on December 01, 2009, 01:29:45 pm
^^^^
WoooHoooo!! Welcome back, illyun! :jumpmove:

Thanks RR  :happy2:  I am hoping to go down to JKM to get the DSG Remap, a resonated Milltek (wife is driving the car with the non-res and although she thinks its ok, I think its too loud for the kids) and hopefully JonnyC's carbon fibre cold air intake that he had on his car.

Hey matie!  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on December 01, 2009, 04:24:36 pm

^^^^
WoooHoooo!! Welcome back, illyun! :jumpmove:

Thanks RR  :happy2:  I am hoping to go down to JKM to get the DSG Remap, a resonated Milltek (wife is driving the car with the non-res and although she thinks its ok, I think its too loud for the kids) and hopefully JonnyC's carbon fibre cold air intake that he had on his car.


....Is that jonnyc's prototype Forge TWINtake you're getting?

I'll be at JKM sometime in next couple of weeks but time not booked yet. I'll let you know when.

:happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: illyun on December 02, 2009, 10:48:34 am

^^^^
WoooHoooo!! Welcome back, illyun! :jumpmove:

Thanks RR  :happy2:  I am hoping to go down to JKM to get the DSG Remap, a resonated Milltek (wife is driving the car with the non-res and although she thinks its ok, I think its too loud for the kids) and hopefully JonnyC's carbon fibre cold air intake that he had on his car.


....Is that jonnyc's prototype Forge TWINtake you're getting?

I'll be at JKM sometime in next couple of weeks but time not booked yet. I'll let you know when.

:happy2:


Hi RR... not sure which intake it is - its the one that JonnyC had fitted on his Ed30.  All I know is that it is custom made and carbon fibre.... maybe JonnyC can fill us in...?
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: illyun on December 02, 2009, 10:49:36 am
^^^^
WoooHoooo!! Welcome back, illyun! :jumpmove:

Thanks RR  :happy2:  I am hoping to go down to JKM to get the DSG Remap, a resonated Milltek (wife is driving the car with the non-res and although she thinks its ok, I think its too loud for the kids) and hopefully JonnyC's carbon fibre cold air intake that he had on his car.

Hey matie!  :happy2:



Hi.. I'm back in Saudi on the 15th December
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: Greeners on December 02, 2009, 10:52:42 am
^^^^
WoooHoooo!! Welcome back, illyun! :jumpmove:

Thanks RR  :happy2:  I am hoping to go down to JKM to get the DSG Remap, a resonated Milltek (wife is driving the car with the non-res and although she thinks its ok, I think its too loud for the kids) and hopefully JonnyC's carbon fibre cold air intake that he had on his car.

Hey matie!  :happy2:



Hi.. I'm back in Saudi on the 15th December

Hope thing are going well over there for you!  :happy2:

Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: illyun on December 02, 2009, 10:55:14 am
Not back.. a lot warmer when I first went there - 40C - and it felt like an oven out in the open and people were saying that it was cooling down for winter?!!  I was like WTF?  Its more pleasant now 28-30C...  :laugh:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on December 02, 2009, 04:07:27 pm
^^^^
WoooHoooo!! Welcome back, illyun! :jumpmove:

Thanks RR  :happy2:  I am hoping to go down to JKM to get the DSG Remap, a resonated Milltek (wife is driving the car with the non-res and although she thinks its ok, I think its too loud for the kids) and hopefully JonnyC's carbon fibre cold air intake that he had on his car.


I'll be at JKM sometime in next couple of weeks but time not booked yet. I'll let you know when.


....My TWINtake arrives tomorrow and I'm now booked in to JKM next week: Thursday 10th. A full review will follow.

Having my Revo DSG updated at the same time.
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: RedRobin on December 02, 2009, 06:12:17 pm
^^^^
Even though I'm Revo DSG Stage1, I look forward to reading your review on DSG Stage2, Dom  :happy2:
Title: Re: REVO release DSG Software
Post by: illyun on December 05, 2009, 12:24:28 pm
Just seen this thread... I am back in the UK for few weeks and might come down for a DSG remap  :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

Fancy a Forum meet this saturday Nadeem. RR day in Surrey??

Good to see you back :drinking:

Ooops sorry.. didn't see this post till today and its a bit late now!!!  Thanks for the invite.  I will be around at some point next year and will be down for the meets hopefully.  I was shocked when I told my wife that I might be going down to JKM - thinking she might get very annoyed - and she said that was good and that I should meet up with you guys if there was a meet?!  I told her there wasn't a meet but I've just seen RR post saying he's going to be down at JKMs on Thursday so I will try and make it for Thursday too if JKM can book me in