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Title: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: Morgen on December 29, 2014, 02:39:33 pm
Hiya

I bought my Eddy in August and there's been absolutely no modifications as of yet due to financial struggles haha.. Sooo, I now want my first mod - an exhaust  :grin:

I have some options - BCS or Milltek.. Non res/res.. Catback or turbo back. Arghhh  :scared:

I can purchase a non res cat back milltek for somewhere in region of £470 ish.. But I can't find a price on a BCS variation of this? I've heard the quality of their exhaust systems are second to none but I'm unable to compare the two sound-wise, quality-wise or even price wise haha.. Thoughts/opinions please?

If I go milltek - there's a used turbo back for £400 on the bay at the moment, or a brand spankers catback as previously mentioned for £479. Is a used system worth it?

I'm not good at this performance stuff  :sick: :sick:

thanks in advance  :ashamed:
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: jaffa on December 29, 2014, 02:41:43 pm
BCS.
I think they plan on doing a group buy soon so I'd wait for that personally

Iv got a power valve decat turbo back and still love it as much as the day I had it fitted
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: ruhaleali on December 29, 2014, 03:06:46 pm
Hiya

I bought my Eddy in August and there's been absolutely no modifications as of yet due to financial struggles haha.. Sooo, I now want my first mod - an exhaust  :grin:

I have some options - BCS or Milltek.. Non res/res.. Catback or turbo back. Arghhh  :scared:

I can purchase a non res cat back milltek for somewhere in region of £470 ish.. But I can't find a price on a BCS variation of this? I've heard the quality of their exhaust systems are second to none but I'm unable to compare the two sound-wise, quality-wise or even price wise haha.. Thoughts/opinions please?

If I go milltek - there's a used turbo back for £400 on the bay at the moment, or a brand spankers catback as previously mentioned for £479. Is a used system worth it?

I'm not good at this performance stuff  :sick: :sick:

thanks in advance  :ashamed:

BCS is the one for your eddy its slightly pricey but wait and go for the full performance system. This is obvious with you're eddy being a ko4 just stage 1 it at rtech and you'll get near 300 bhp and heavy torque and get the bcs and your sorted for a while obviously if your not a mod fiend  :party: :drinking:
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on December 29, 2014, 07:08:25 pm
BCS is undoubtably much better quality, and Nige is a really helpful guy  :happy2:

Some folk prefer Milltek, but be wary that there have been numerous cases of welds failing on the downpipes  :scared:
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: th3_f15t on December 29, 2014, 07:54:46 pm
Milltek's YouTube channel has a video of a full system fitted to a GTI from years ago, the cat back non-resonated isnt very much louder than a stock exhaust. A BCS, I belive, is louder but costs more. Plenty of videos from BCS in the Traders Section of this forum.

The BCS system is 3" diameter throughout (downpipe and cat back) whereas the Milltek downpipe is 3" but the cat back is 2.75" diameter.

For an Edition 30 who h has the larger turbo and higher power potential, a full 3" BCS system or even just cat back is the better option. Plus the boost triggered valve feature is better to live with. Last time I checked a full system from BCS in a group buy I was quoted £1100. Not sure on a cat back system alone.
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: TomGTI on December 29, 2014, 09:30:29 pm
Hiya

I bought my Eddy in August and there's been absolutely no modifications as of yet due to financial struggles haha.. Sooo, I now want my first mod - an exhaust  :grin:

I have some options - BCS or Milltek.. Non res/res.. Catback or turbo back. Arghhh  :scared:

I can purchase a non res cat back milltek for somewhere in region of £470 ish.. But I can't find a price on a BCS variation of this? I've heard the quality of their exhaust systems are second to none but I'm unable to compare the two sound-wise, quality-wise or even price wise haha.. Thoughts/opinions please?

If I go milltek - there's a used turbo back for £400 on the bay at the moment, or a brand spankers catback as previously mentioned for £479. Is a used system worth it?

I'm not good at this performance stuff  :sick: :sick:

thanks in advance  :ashamed:

Used turboback for 400, I can't find it lol
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: Morgen on December 29, 2014, 09:30:57 pm
Hands off it's mines
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: Morgen on December 29, 2014, 09:33:07 pm
Nah joking, I'll post it when I'm on a computer again.. Think I'm wanting a BCS system :)
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: v4rley on December 29, 2014, 09:46:06 pm
Is it the one?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswagen-Golf-Gti-Mk5-Miltek-Exhaust-Complete-/151527139509?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2347b8a8b5

That's actually a Leon cupra tailpipes may still fit a GTI but different look
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: TomGTI on December 29, 2014, 09:47:28 pm
Downpipe maybe fine but looks a state and the seller says it's 7 months old
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: wilsy_ on December 30, 2014, 02:53:34 am
Seen that 400 pound one on ebay and thought it looked a bit knackered.

Definitely interested in a group buy for the BCS ones.

Whats the different between all their variations? I know the powervalve has the sound thing, but whats the difference between the sports and prestige? 

Ryan
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: MC71 on December 30, 2014, 06:17:57 am
Get a BCS Powervlave. Ive had both, although I personally never had any problems with my Milly some peeps have but its still a good system. Ive had my BCS Powervlave on for over 2 years and it's epic, still looks like new when you look under the car.

Seen that 400 pound one on ebay and thought it looked a bit knackered.

Definitely interested in a group buy for the BCS ones.

Whats the different between all their variations? I know the powervalve has the sound thing, but whats the difference between the sports and prestige? 

Ryan

Prestige has a slightly larger central silencer than the Sport so is a touch quieter.
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: oak_grun on December 30, 2014, 09:46:27 am
Also interested in the GB n new year! :driver:
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: savdog on December 30, 2014, 10:33:15 am
Does it have to be a gti system ?
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on December 30, 2014, 11:31:58 am
Does it have to be a gti system ?

Yes - non-GTI systems will be a smaller diameter and lose power
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: savdog on December 30, 2014, 11:52:42 am
I ment is the group buy for gti,s only or could I get a system for a tdi ??
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: dan930 on December 30, 2014, 12:30:38 pm
I ment is the group buy for gti,s only or could I get a system for a tdi ??

Best to call Nige mate,I'm sure he be able to sort u out
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: dan930 on December 30, 2014, 12:32:51 pm
Nah joking, I'll post it when I'm on a computer again.. Think I'm wanting a BCS system :)

Hi,bcs all the way
I've had two bcs systems,one for my ed30 & I was sooo impressed that I brought one for my golfR
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: Powervalve Nige on December 30, 2014, 03:18:08 pm
Group buy imminent  :happy2:
Cheers
Nige
http://www.powervalve.co.uk/products/vw/golf/mk5.html
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: th3_f15t on December 30, 2014, 03:24:43 pm
Just seen the price of a full exhaust system with R32 ends, knock 5-10% off and I reckon I'll be jumping on a group buy in the new year as well.
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: ed30Lewis on December 30, 2014, 05:26:54 pm
I'm also waiting on the GB. Cant wait to get a CBE on my Ed30 :evilgrin:

May sound like a daft question but what's the difference between the sports prestige CBE system and just the Sports CBE system? @nige bcs (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=331)
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: Saintsteve on December 30, 2014, 05:59:12 pm
BCS is undoubtably much better quality, and Nige is a really helpful guy  :happy2:

Some folk prefer Milltek, but be wary that there have been numerous cases of welds failing on the downpipes  :scared:

This was only on the 1st versions of the downpipes as the flexi was too short.. Same problem as the early Blueflame  exhausts.

I'm firmly in the corner of miltek. Customer service is and has been 1st class . Especially with my issue I had with an 2008 system that got replaced without quibble in 2014  :innocent:
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: savdog on December 30, 2014, 06:05:04 pm
Group buy imminent  :happy2:
Cheers
Nige
http://www.powervalve.co.uk/products/vw/golf/mk5.html
@nige bcs (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=331) would I be able to get a cat back for a gt tdi in the group buy ? On your webby it only shows a system for an 06> 170 gt tdi  would this also fit an 05 140 gt tdi
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: Spankiee on December 30, 2014, 08:50:55 pm
ill be involved in the group buy for a cat back if thats allowed :jumpmove:

just fitted a sports cat and its already sounding good.
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: allymac on December 30, 2014, 10:35:01 pm
I am hoping to have the funds for a power valve prestige for my 30, need my current outgoing to slow down a bit.
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: Frodo-anni on December 31, 2014, 01:57:26 am
Nah joking, I'll post it when I'm on a computer again.. Think I'm wanting a BCS system :)

Hi,bcs all the way
I've had two bcs systems,one for my ed30 & I was sooo impressed that I brought one for my golfR

Very nearly bought Dan's BCS system from his Ed30, when he was selling up, but redundancy week before, so had to pull out. Now have a milltek cat back, which yes, has improved sound etc... the tips have cracked  :sad1:
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: CarlW on December 31, 2014, 02:51:41 am
Just open up another option..
What would it cost roughly to fully decat the standard GTI K03 or ED30 K04 exhaust? meaning the Precat and the main cat?

Im sure this would open up more power / power delivery performance and also more sound if thats all the OP is wanting? Rather than paying out £400+ or possibly £1000+ if going for a new full TB system..

So what I'm saying here is either fully decat standard system or..
Just change the standard downpipe for a 3" aftermarket one and take the main cat out or install a sports cat such as a 100/200 cel cat rather than the standard 800 cel cat?.. Then would you not get the same outcome as you would paying £1000+ for a new full BCS TB exhaust?.. Yeah you don't have BCS stamped on some tips or its not all shiny and have some trickery with valves etc but if your looking to stay on a tight budget and you want some more power / power delivery and more sound.. this could be ideal?..

Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: MrJohnVas on December 31, 2014, 12:13:12 pm
A video I created last night for the BCS Powervalve exhaust on a manual gti:

55k1g
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: th3_f15t on December 31, 2014, 12:29:26 pm
@CarlW (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8175) - you're pretty right, a downpipe and sports cat or pre-cat delete unlocks lots of additional power and is cheaper than a full system. Mostly people get the full system as its easier/cheaper to get it fitted all at once.
Title: Re: Milltek vs. BCS?
Post by: adsgti on January 05, 2015, 05:18:13 pm
I have a Revo CAI for sale only 3 months old and also a cobra sport non res catback exhaust. Oww and a brand new decat downpipe. Unfortunately selling my ed30 :(