MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: mrggg on January 03, 2015, 01:51:40 pm
-
Hi, I got my car serviced around 2000 miles ago and the dipstick reads just above halfway today, so I topped it up. Is this oil usage normal as I read its a litre every 600 miles.
thank you.
-
Mine likes a drink,needs topping up every 3500-4000 miles
-
I do a litre every 5500 and it likes the dear stuff castrel edge.
-
Did you check the oil level straight after it had its service? Its not unheard of for garages to not to fill the oil up fully when servicing, especially if its a main dealer.
-
The 2.0 litre TFSi engines are known to consume quite a bit of oil, it's just the way they're designed. Any turbo charged engine will consume oil in various amounts.
-
Mine began losing 1qt/1000 miles...we are discovering that the EVAP and PCV ducts in the valve cover are either cracking or the adhesive fails along the duct seams. This allows oil to enter and travel through the intake, combustion, and through the exhaust. But you should notice a good bit of smoke under full throttle if this is the case. A new valve cover is the fix if you suspect this due to smokey exhaust and your compression numbers look good.
-
Wouldn't replacing the gasket sort the issue, or is it the cover itself that fails?
-
My old GTI used a litre every 2000 miles :smiley:
-
Thanks for all your replies. Yeh I did check the oil after the service it was definitely topped up to the top. How many litres is the dip stick top to bottom? My mechanic did say there is a leak somewhere so il get it checked next service :)
-
Mine is using about 200ml every 1000 miles so a litre every 5k
-
Wouldn't replacing the gasket sort the issue, or is it the cover itself that fails?
If this is what's going on for someone...it is the cover itself. For some orientation see page 9 of the document: http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/golfgoodies/mk5golfengine.pdf
The two ducts mentioned before are formed and stuck(←I am told...even though it appears to be molded) to the underside of the valve cover with adhesive. I thought it would be easiest to begin on the EVAP side so I did a DIY EVAP reroute (there is this so you do not need to trim the front clip as I did: http://www.performancebyie.com/evap-crossover-tube-relocation-kit-for-2-0t-fsi-with-integrated-engineering-valve-cover) and that cut down on the smokey exhaust as well as the oil loss. After doing this I had 3k miles to go before I changed the oil and it had lost less than 0.5qt over those 3k miles. So I believe that the PCV side may also have some damage and time will tell when I need a new v-cover. Just not decided on OE or billet just yet.
FWg_A
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1205.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb434%2Frohecht%2Fdumb%2520forum%2520stuff%2FDSCF1005.jpg&hash=840c04e164551162a423510670f304d4aa0c9c6d) (http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/rohecht/media/dumb%20forum%20stuff/DSCF1005.jpg.html)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1205.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb434%2Frohecht%2Fdumb%2520forum%2520stuff%2F2d9fb275-29da-4d3e-8ca9-819753e31c99.jpg&hash=fab76a6336e2da58bc6991ce42405b320d05b5ce) (http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/rohecht/media/dumb%20forum%20stuff/2d9fb275-29da-4d3e-8ca9-819753e31c99.jpg.html)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1205.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb434%2Frohecht%2Fdumb%2520forum%2520stuff%2Fd7de1bee-9096-4d99-81da-f02efc5eda08.jpg&hash=646d82fae2e42d79a112b9c7f0be7602916ac3a0) (http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/rohecht/media/dumb%20forum%20stuff/d7de1bee-9096-4d99-81da-f02efc5eda08.jpg.html)
If the damage to the valve cover ducting is on the PCV side...you are going to need either a VTA catch-can or a new valve cover.
-
So if someone's planning on using a catch can anyway it'll bypass this job?
-
That is incorrect...a catch-can alone does not stop oil from seeping into either route and into the turbo and intake. Also, the catch-can has nothing to do with the EVAP route. The EVAP port is beside the PCV in front and connects directly into the v-cover apart from the PCV plate....note the 5/8" rubber plug in the final pic above. The EVAP flows through the v-cover separately from the PCV and exits beside the rear breather tube of the PCV duct at the rear.
There are two areas that can cause the loss of oil in the valve cover. Oil can seep into both the EVAP and PCV routes. So again, if there are no other causes of the loss of oil...you can be losing it through the EVAP route or the PCV route...or both. You can simply replace the v-cover and be done with it...or you can do the simpler of the two and do the EVAP reroute. If that fixes it...there is nothing wrong with the PCV route. But if the loss continues, perhaps at a slower rate then before doing the EVAP reroute, you have issues through both routes.
I decided to just do the EVAP reroute to see if this is where my issues were...and it was for the majority of oil loss. It costs less than $10usd for the bits to do the job. Until conditions worsen in the PCV route...I've bought myself some time to decide what to do next. It will likely be either the billet or OE valve cover. However, a billet valve cover requires a VTA catch-can and the EVAP reroute which I already have.
-
Just as well I have a second valve cover then! I shall heed your words and look at sorting this, along with a good clean of my inlet. Really great advice there and very greatful for the write up.
-
:happy2:
-
According to VW 1L per 1000miles is acceptable, any more and they consider investigating...
-
Gonna hijack this thread.
Just had my oil level light flash up to me on my dash ... I must have done absolute max. 2000 miles since putting 4 litres of the castrol 5w30 oil in. Its all gone already.
Now I know these cars guzzle oil ... but I'm fairly certain that is not normal consumption.
There is no oil leaking underneath the car. Does anyone have any ideas on the likely cause of consuming this much oil so quickly?
-
Gonna hijack this thread.
Just had my oil level light flash up to me on my dash ... I must have done absolute max. 2000 miles since putting 4 litres of the castrol 5w30 oil in. Its all gone already.
Now I know these cars guzzle oil ... but I'm fairly certain that is not normal consumption.
There is no oil leaking underneath the car. Does anyone have any ideas on the likely cause of consuming this much oil so quickly?
It's probably not all gone. It's a litre between the Min and Max marks on the dip stick so I'd say youve used just over a litre if the light has come on.
Has this oil consumption come on all of a sudden, or is the car new to you?
-
Well, I bought the car end of April last year, and I think if memory serves me well, it was MOT'd then, so should have an oil top up. Then middle of September all the oil had gone. And I mean all of it.
So think it has been like it for a while now. I just assumed they hadnt put much oil in at the time of MOT
-
Well, I bought the car end of April last year, and I think if memory serves me well, it was MOT'd then, so should have an oil top up. Then middle of September all the oil had gone. And I mean all of it.
So think it has been like it for a while now. I just assumed they hadnt put much oil in at the time of MOT
What does an MOT have to do with your oil level? There's no reason for them to top up your oil, it's not a service, it's an inspection of the car to conform to UK standards. The onus is on you to check your oil level.
Btw, 2000 miles is perfectly normal for 1 litre to be consumed. It's a turbo engine with 100bhp per litre and it's driven hard.
-
Well, I bought the car end of April last year, and I think if memory serves me well, it was MOT'd then, so should have an oil top up. Then middle of September all the oil had gone. And I mean all of it.
So think it has been like it for a while now. I just assumed they hadnt put much oil in at the time of MOT
What does an MOT have to do with your oil level? There's no reason for them to top up your oil, it's not a service, it's an inspection of the car to conform to UK standards. The onus is on you to check your oil level.
Btw, 2000 miles is perfectly normal for 1 litre to be consumed. It's a turbo engine with 100bhp per litre and it's driven hard.
Nothing, but I'm sure I remember the guy I bought if off saying he topped up the oil for me at the time they did the MOT on the car.
And it's not 1 litre I've got through .... It's 4 litres in 2000 miles.
-
Mine seems to use more Oil in the summer than winter (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1800589rice.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F04%2Foil-drop.png&hash=baa64715055f14036d54411bcfeb6f9971d1c588)
-
Never had to top mine up since the oil change 7 months ago its still on max. But i don't get out much.
-
Well, I bought the car end of April last year, and I think if memory serves me well, it was MOT'd then, so should have an oil top up. Then middle of September all the oil had gone. And I mean all of it.
So think it has been like it for a while now. I just assumed they hadnt put much oil in at the time of MOT
What does an MOT have to do with your oil level? There's no reason for them to top up your oil, it's not a service, it's an inspection of the car to conform to UK standards. The onus is on you to check your oil level.
Btw, 2000 miles is perfectly normal for 1 litre to be consumed. It's a turbo engine with 100bhp per litre and it's driven hard.
Nothing, but I'm sure I remember the guy I bought if off saying he topped up the oil for me at the time they did the MOT on the car.
And it's not 1 litre I've got through .... It's 4 litres in 2000 miles.
4 litres in 2000 miles? That does sound excessive.
What sort of driving do you do?
Changing your oil grade can make a big difference to consumption. Ask OPIE oils for a recommendation.
-
Like 12 miles a day to and from work. Little bit of social driving. Don't very often have to do long journeys this time of year.
-
Soooo just got back from the garage, as I took it in for them to get up on a ramp and see if I have an oil leak.
Following the excess usage mentioned above.
Nothing out of the ordinary seems to be wrong though :stupid:
Engine bay is dry, no oil leaks in the bay
Disconnected boost pipe, and nothing out of the ordinary there either
Doesn't appear to be any excess oil residue in the exhaust tips either
Breathing a bit heavy when quickly unscrewed oil cap with it ticking over
But nothing to worry about
Disconnected engine breather pipe, which had a little bit of oil there, but again, nothing excessive.
Sooo bit lost on what the issue is to be honest.
Going to go back Tuesday night, tracking how many miles I've done
Put 2 litres of oil in, so will see how much is left when I go back Tuesday.
Anyone got any other suggestions to check?
-
Are you putting in 2 litres in one go? The dipstick reads the final litre, so with the overall oil capacity of the engine at around 4.8 litres, it's reading from 3.8 to 4.8 litres.
So if you put in 2 litres when it's at the minimum on the dipstick, your now at 5.8 litres; I.e., overfilled.
-
Did the dipstick test, was not showing at all on the dipstick any oil after wiping it clean
2 litres has put it just above the minimum marker.
-
Not meaning to sound rude here, but are you sure your reading the dipstick correctly? Needing two litres to get to the minimum sounds like you've been running dangerously low on oil.
Have a full oil change to know that it's got the right amount of oil to begin with. Seems like your playing catch up with the oil level.
-
Top it up to max and keep an eye on it.
-
Yes mate, I was right next to the mechanic when he was doing it today.
Im going back Tuesday night once done some miles to see how much oil is left. Bit baffling atm to be honest.
Just gave it some down the bypass by me as well and no white smoke, so cant be burning a lot of oil out the exhaust
-
Getting me worried. My 06 gti burns about 1l of oil every 1k miles if I'm lucky. I read this to be fairly normal. Getting the dv and pcv done so not sure if that will improve any possible leaks?
-
Getting me worried. My 06 gti burns about 1l of oil every 1k miles if I'm lucky. I read this to be fairly normal. Getting the dv and pcv done so not sure if that will improve any possible leaks?
It's normal to burn this much oil in these newish cars. my mk1 tt used about the same ever 1k miles so it's definitely normal. :smiley: expensive but normal lol I buy a 20L drum from eurocarparts to save money. :driver: