MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: AndyBrown on January 03, 2015, 05:14:11 pm
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Ill try keep this as short as possible.
Been having problems with my Dsg since I got the car, had a few conversations on here and I was certain it was the mechatronic unit, garage didn't agree and in the end I took to it vw and they confirmed it was the mechatronic unit.
After a but more arguing they took it in and removed the mechatronic to be sent away to be repaired. The company said that it's perfectly fine and nothing wrong with the mechatronic unit.
Now the garage thinks it could be the clutch packs. Only symptoms I have is he car jerking once the gearbox has warmed up, only in 1st and reverse gears tho.
Has anyone had any problems with the clutch packs and can offer some advice
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First thing I'd get done is a DSG Adaptation if you have VCDS/VAGcom or can find someone local to you with it. If that doesn't cure it then you're looking at getting the gearbox removed and stripped down to find the issue and that's not cheap.
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That's been done aswell mate.
Hoping someone's had some experience with the clutch packs
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Mine's going in for a rebuild in the next couple of weeks but until they get it stripped down they won't know if the clutch packs also need replacing.
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I had the same symptoms, where it was getting progressively more jerky when letting the foot off the brake in 1st gear. Had it looked at by VW who sent the info back to Germany. Was diagnosed with needing new clutch packs. Had them replaced under warranty and never had a problem since.
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To be fair, having read other threads and in particularly one by @Mandy (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1310) it does look like a clutch pack problem given that the mechantronics has been given the ok.
Given that VW sent the mechatronics away and gave it the ok didn't they offer you further diagnostics ?
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Andy, sad to see you'r still struggling with your DSG. I have the same symptoms on mine, and I'm considering selling the car so I don't go through all the trouble that you did.
I'm interested to see what you end up doing with yours. Hope you get it sorted.
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I didn't get the csr from vw so the garage I got it from sent it away, vw just replace and quoted me £2200!
I've emailed to say I'm not happy that ive had to pay for it to be removed and sent away to be repaired and I want it diagnosing again and to take the mechanic out with me so he can see for himself. Worth a try getting it done again free, shy kids get no sweets m that.
When I took it in I said I think it's the mechatronic, maybe I shouldn't have said anything
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I thought about it Jocco but I love the car to much!
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This was the reply I got from Lookers VW...
Hi Mr Brown
I have read through your recent email sent regarding your Gearbox issues. The conclusion for this diagnosis was made through Technical Product information that is related to your vehicle. Due to uncomfortable driving characteristics in warm conditions the mounting of the clutch control valves shows wear symptoms. This can lead to an increased friction in the mountings and the clutch cannot always be controlled precisely.
This particular fault can only be repaired by replacement of the Mechatronics and adaptions after replacement.
If you would like a Technician to road test with you and follow the diagnostic process again we can make a booking at the earliest convenience to yourself. I will then make available our master Technician to answer any questions you may have.
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Sorry to hear about your DSG woes, I've had mechs unit then clutch packs replaced on the Eddy, clutch packs replaced on the R.
So your story so far... You took your car to VW, they looked at the symptoms and confirmed it was the mechs unit so sent it away for repair to then say actually it wasn't a faulty mechs afterwards? Did they charge you anything for this?
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Heres the full story, I hope you haven't got anything you need to be doing!
Got the car from a garage called dubbers, on the journey home in traffic I noticed the the jerking, at first I thought it was me not used to the power or an automatic.
I done a bit of searching and reading on here and had the dsg reset which never sorted the problem. I was convinced it was the mechatronic, argued back and forth with Dubbers and they were adamant it wasn't, they then reset the dsg and recommend the next step was oil change, then clutch pack and finally mechatronic, which they were expecting me to fund the bill for.
I wasn't happy with this and spoke to a gearbox specialist and he said take it to vw, their diatnostics are better and will be able to pin point the problem. So i booked I'm for a diagnostics with vw and told them I thought it was the mechatronic (looking back I wish I hadn't told them my suspicions). Vw confirmed it was and quoted me £2,200 to replace it.
I got back on to dubbers with the results from vw, got a bit heated and I wrote a letter threatening them with court action, in the end it was agreed they'd take the car in, remove the unit to be sent for repair and out it all back together with fresh oil.
The unit came back tested and it was in perfect working order, there was no fault with it.
Dubbers thinks it's the clutch packs as its only on 1st and reverse, I presume those gears are on the same half of the gearbox.
What were the symptoms of your clutch packs on the R Mandy?
With this its jerking once the gearbox has warmed up at 1st and reverse, even when the car is rolling slowly and I give it the slightest bit of acceleration it jerks. Nothing else once I'm out of first the cars fine. Also hill starts are a nightmare, car starts rolling back unless I give it some and look like knob bouncing like I can't drive!
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I know that my friend had a problem exactly the same in his edition 30 and he had to get his clutch packs replaced. I had the same issue in mine and mine was diagnosed the mechantronics! Both sorted the issues so it could be a mixture of both!
Having said that though is it Dubbers in Huddersfield? Having had dealing with them in the past and hugely involved in the Hudds VW scene they are well known for being cowboys! My best mate bought a car from them and it broke on the way home. There are various stories to that effect I know. So I hope you can get something sorted dude!
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Yep, that'll be them. He was quick enough to offer to buy it back £1500 less within a couple of month which I wasn't best pleased about, threatened court said I'd be going for a full refund and he soon offered to fix it.
Was you mates car a Leon cupra? Sure I read about that on another forum. (After I'd bought the car I googled them!)
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I didn't really have any jerkiness or kangarooing, just a click noise as the gearbox geared down from 3rd into 2nd... If the mechs is not at fault though then I guess the next thing to look at would prob be clutch packs or flywheel perhaps? Have Dubbers offered to replace the clutch packs FOC?
Does the car have decent VW service history, if so could ask VW for some goodwill, that was what I did with my Ed.
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No mate not a Leon. It was a mk4 1.8T GTI. Vowed I would never buy anything off them after that!
Hope you do get it sorted but my guess is it could be both the mech unit and the clutch packs. Hopefully for your sake it's just the one though!
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,91552.0.html
Have a look through this. It's not clutch pack related but the guys who sorted mine really knew their stuff so It might be worth giving them a call even if it's just for advice.
Hope you get it sorted!
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I remember reading that, ill give them a bell, cheers.
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Hi guys - It's been a year of happy motoring since my DSG woes. I bought my '08 Mk5 GTI from a local garage and had exactly the same problems with jerky 1st and reverse - made the car undriveable. After taking it back to the dealer, who was helpful, and then several garages, no-one seemed to know what the issue was (suggested oil changes, clutch packs etc). I wasn't convinced as everyone gave a different answer.
Luckily I stumbled across Slater's garage in Nottingham on t'internet. They were very helpful on the phone and are extremely knowledgable about DSG transmissions - more so than VW. They are really enthusiastic about the DSG gearboxes and love taking them apart. My problem was with the Mechatronic unit, despite all diagnostics being normal. I've done 10,000 miles since and the gearbox has not skipped a shift or given me any problems. Luckily my repairs were covered under the warranty I was given with the car.
If you need an answer as to what the problem really is then I would highly recommend these guys in Nottingham. It was over 2 hours away from me, but well worth the excellent service. These guys are absolutely great.
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Hi Andy,
I am experiencing the exact same issues with my Passat R36 and having put it into the VW specialist he confirmed that there were no fault codes stored in the car ECUs. Initially I have also been under the assumption the problem is due to the mechatronics unit but considering most mechatronic unit failures come hand in hand with limp mode and gearbox lights flashing on dash, I am now starting to think it might be the clutch pack. Did you ever get your situation resolved and if so, what was the problem in the end? Any help appreciated, cheers!
Ollie
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Sorry about the late reply haven't been using this site as much.
No, I haven't had mine sorted yet,mite more of an inconvenience than a problem for me.
I intend to take it to the guys suggested above to get it sorted next year. I just about finished an apprenticeship so I'll have the money available in the new year.
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I have the exact same problem. warranty company are trying to argue and say its the clutch pack which am not coverd for.
Been getting messed about from a few places. phoned slaters in nottingham and they said they think its the mechatronics valve bodys i think they said.
So its going in to slaters tomorrow so see what they say and hopfully get it fixed. will report back with what happens.
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I have the exact same problem. warranty company are trying to argue and say its the clutch pack which am not coverd for.
Been getting messed about from a few places. phoned slaters in nottingham and they said they think its the mechatronics valve bodys i think they said.
So its going in to slaters tomorrow so see what they say and hopfully get it fixed. will report back with what happens.
If they confirm it's the mech, give the warranty company a call when you are there, get them to speak to the mechanic there and then, happy days :)
They always try and wriggle out of these things... I like the way the warranty company can say it's the clutch pack without even looking at the car :indifferent:
When I blew the box on an overly tuned SAAB 9-5 they tried to get the mechanic (a mate) to agree that there was a possibility that low oil could've killed the box, crafty barstewardss, he just said no, oil level was fine and they paid out.
yeah slaters have said they will ring them. i also told them aswell so they are sending another engineer out. first engineer thought dsg fart was rumbling from the gearbox which made him think it was clutch pack haha.
They wanted me to take it to a different garage that they deal with. maybe one that has agreed to say its the clutch pack who knows lol. but i decided to go to slaters instead as they seemed to know alot more on the phone than the other place.
Yeah they have been passing me about for months. i hope i never need to deal with them again.
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so finally warranty direct have autorised my claim. new mechatronics to be fitted.
Happy with that. finally after months of being passed about its done.
Slaters in nottingham have been fantastic and i would highly recommend.
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I had mine replaced last year through warranty direct also, bit of a farce all the same
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Hi Andy, we've messaged a year ago regarding my woes with first gear and reverse gear jerking. I found my lower mount and gearbox mount at fault and after replacing these the cars spot on :smiley:
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Hi Andy, we've messaged a year ago regarding my woes with first gear and reverse gear jerking. I found my lower mount and gearbox mount at fault and after replacing these the cars spot on :smiley:
I wonder how many people with similar symptoms have ended up having their mechatronics replaced when they could have just done this?
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Hi Andy, we've messaged a year ago regarding my woes with first gear and reverse gear jerking. I found my lower mount and gearbox mount at fault and after replacing these the cars spot on :smiley:
I wonder how many people with similar symptoms have ended up having their mechatronics replaced when they could have just done this?
I seriously think quite a lot as Alan Day vw couldn't even find the damaged mounts :stupid: idiots.
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Hi Andy, we've messaged a year ago regarding my woes with first gear and reverse gear jerking. I found my lower mount and gearbox mount at fault and after replacing these the cars spot on :smiley:
Sorry mate don't really use this to much anymore.
How did you find out it was the mounts? We're your symptoms only when hot aswell?
If it was the mounts if presume it would be constant.
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Hi Andy, we've messaged a year ago regarding my woes with first gear and reverse gear jerking. I found my lower mount and gearbox mount at fault and after replacing these the cars spot on :smiley:
Sorry mate don't really use this to much anymore.
How did you find out it was the mounts? We're your symptoms only when hot aswell?
If it was the mounts if presume it would be constant.
I just decided enough was enough and removed the engine cover and rocked the engine back and forth and found it had excess play. bought a mount and took the old one off and took a video of how bad it really was. It happened mainly once warm ad the colder it was the stiffer it was and less it moved.
Check the video half way down. lower mount was checked whilst on a ramp and bushes were torn.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,103299.msg1006890.html#msg1006890
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Cheers mate, I'll check mine later.
I'd be so happy if that's what it was. Messaged slaters the other day and it'll cost £850+vat to repair it.
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I really hope it is as I recall you having this issue before I even bought my golf and moaning about how the twat who sold it me took the piss and lied to me about a lot of things.