MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: DomBacon on January 04, 2015, 03:15:47 pm
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Really badly need some new brakes on my edition30
Are the r32/s3 brakes worth it?
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Have you not read any other topics on this subject recently??? :surprised:
In short - YES they are worth it. You could spend £350 messing around with improving the stock brakes with better disks, pads, fluid & lines and you won't really gain anything on an R32 setup.
Unless you want to spend £800+ on NQSBBK or a BBK, the R32 setup is great :happy2:
A good setup with disks & pads goes for £300 - £350 these days
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I had a little look but most people just said about ttrs brakes instead
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You can (at a real push) go for a 4 piston Porsche brake caliper setup (the NQSBBK) for around £600 but you'll be using calipers that'll probably show their miles, stock 312mm discs and normal everyday brake pads.
The 345mm OEM BBK (easier calling it that, it encompasses all the variations) is a well worth upgrade. My girlfreind drives a similar powered GTI to mine but runs stock brakes and you can tell the difference at any speed, both running OEM discs and pads. Another advantage with the 345mm OEM kit is that it fits behind all wheels with no spacers and even the space saver spare fits over them (not that you should ever use that on a front wheel!). Hope that helps you out.
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Really comes down to your budget and what you'll use the car for
The 345mm setup is a good improvement over the 312mm standard brakes but does add a fair bit of weight, bang for buck they are good and many guys have done the swap
Dave
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Depends on your needs, if you're desperate for better brakes (like I was after a remap) then the R32 setup is a big improvement on the standard ones.
If you've got the budget and want something better and lighter then some 4pots are the ones.
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I'm currenty running stage 2 at the moment
I would go for some ttrs brakes but then I'll need 12mm spacers and then mess around with trying to get the front wheels to tuck like they are now. . . Yeah it's on air don't hate
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Surely if its on air it doesn't get driven anyway? :laugh: only joking.
I'm not sure what the clearance on the NQSBBK is like but probably better than the TTRS. If you're not too bothered about weight the R32 setup with some aggressive pads/ braided hoses and decent discs will be a huge improvement on the standard setup.
I found the R32 was plenty good enough for me (stage 1 K03) and that was with braided hoses/ basic pads and dimpled + grooved discs. I went to the TTRS setup because I think I'm an F1 driver and for the weight saving, also the fact the look awesome helps.
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haha it gets driven far too much :(
im not too fused about weight but yeah the ttrs ones do look better!
You running the 370mm discs?
What are the ttrs ones like compared to the r32 brakes?
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haha it gets driven far too much :(
im not too fused about weight but yeah the ttrs ones do look better!
You running the 370mm discs?
What are the ttrs ones like compared to the r32 brakes?
I'm running the 340mm TTS discs using DaveB brackets from AKS tuning, I find that for the first 50% of the pedal they're the same which is good because I never jerk to a stop at slow speeds which was a worry I had.
Once you use the next 50% of the pedal though they come into a class of their own, you can feel your cheeks being pulled forward. I've done some really aggressive stops downhill from high speed and they still surprise me how good they are. I'm also yet to make them fade and I've tried pretty hard :driver:
The R32's were good but when you have to do high speed stops or shave of speed on the motorway quickly they don't compare to these.
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The NQSBBK is the way to go if you want 4 piston calipers but without running spacers. They many not perform as well as the Audi TTRS calipers with 370mm discs, but to be honest unless you're taking it to track days then the 345mm OEM is more than enough.
To save weight with the 345mm OEM setup, get a set of TTS 340mm discs. They save a few kilos each side.
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The TTS save 1kg per side :happy2: to be pedantic :signLOL:
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Ah, knew it wasn't much... That should read "saves a few kilos." :happy2:
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The NQSBBK is the way to go if you want 4 piston calipers but without running spacers. They many not perform as well as the Audi TTRS calipers with 370mm discs, but to be honest unless you're taking it to track days then the 345mm OEM is more than enough.
To save weight with the 345mm OEM setup, get a set of TTS 340mm discs. They save a few kilos each side.
Is the NQSBBK kit the Porsche brakes?
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There are a few kits that run Porsche brakes, depends on the model Porsche they're coming from will determine which kit you're running. The NQSBBK comes from a Porsche 986 (Boxster S) front calipers. The various kits are all in the product reviews section, worth taking a while reading through all the info there, will help you decide what you want, balancing performance, looks and cost. :happy2:
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Hay Dom :drinking:
If you consider the Porka anchors have a look in my build thread for part numbers and links to DaveB's NQSBBK thread etc etc, page 1 in my thread IIRC. Great set up and more than capable of looking afte my Stage2+ Mistress. My set up was under £1k once and that's once id had the calipers refurb'd, bought the fitting kit, added new discs and new pads and shims, fresh fluid and fitting so not too bad.
And yes you'll need spacers for the NQSBBK if you have 7.5" ET51 whereas you won't need them with the R32 calipers with those wheels. No need for spacers with most set ups if you have 8" ET44 (ish).
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Knew you'd be along soon enough to save the day! :P
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^^^^ Yeap! :wink:
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Hay Dom :drinking:
If you consider the Porka anchors have a look in my build thread for part numbers and links to DaveB's NQSBBK thread etc etc, page 1 in my thread IIRC. Great set up and more than capable of looking afte my Stage2+ Mistress. My set up was under £1k once and that's once id had the calipers refurb'd, bought the fitting kit, added new discs and new pads and shims, fresh fluid and fitting so not too bad.
And yes you'll need spacers for the NQSBBK if you have 7.5" ET51 whereas you won't need them with the R32 calipers with those wheels. No need for spacers with most set ups if you have 8" ET44 (ish).
Ok mate cheers I'll have a little look through! What size spacers would I need with this kit? 7.5" et51
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If your not racing it around the track then the r32 set up is the way forward especially when you do the rears as well
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H&R 8mm Hubcentric spacers will be the puppies your after. Contact Alex at AKS for them if you go that route.
My 8" ET44 wheels allow 13mm more clearance for the NQSBBK over standard wheels......
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmcaborn%2FMy_car%2F4a6dc48b0f9f834579d73e515ddcd061_zps56624a32.jpg&hash=cc19931343b021c7effe57cec9ebc9cadcbd711c)
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H&R 8mm Hubcentric spacers will be the puppies your after. Contact Alex at AKS for them if you go that route.
My 8" ET44 wheels allow 13mm more clearance for the NQSBBK over standard wheels......
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmcaborn%2FMy_car%2F4a6dc48b0f9f834579d73e515ddcd061_zps56624a32.jpg&hash=cc19931343b021c7effe57cec9ebc9cadcbd711c)
We didn't need a picture you big show off :booty:
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H&R 8mm Hubcentric spacers will be the puppies your after. Contact Alex at AKS for them if you go that route.
My 8" ET44 wheels allow 13mm more clearance for the NQSBBK over standard wheels......
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmcaborn%2FMy_car%2F4a6dc48b0f9f834579d73e515ddcd061_zps56624a32.jpg&hash=cc19931343b021c7effe57cec9ebc9cadcbd711c)
have you got a picture to see how far your car is lowered Martin..My wheels are the same of set as your car and keep thinking of going bigger brakes but not sure if I will start catching the arches with spaces on
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@dansmith180 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9450) :P
@maxitrol (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=164) those are my 18" VZ's fella, your being 19" CK's?. Carlo's is lowered now on Coils IIRC and still rolling on 19"s. Don't think he had any problems with just the H&R either.
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Cheers Martin for the info some thing about now as would like bigger brakes on the front to fill my wheels up :signLOL:
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Cheers Martin for the info some thing about now as would like bigger brakes on the front to fill my wheels up :signLOL:
What about the twin pots with 360mm disc?
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Oh tell me more Rich
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Do a search on here and Google. Top cat had them I believe.
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I'm thinking r32 brakes so I don't have to get spacers but then I guess the NQSBBK kit is lighter and obviously 4 pot and the wheels I want are et45 8.5j
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Looking at r32 fronts and rears, I don't take it on track but I do love a country road drive :driver: will I see a decent improvent to benefit spending the money on them? Cars running about 320bhp at the moment
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The R32 setup all round would be a big improvement over the standard brakes and would be enough stopping power but personally I would rather leave the rears and try to get some 4pots on the front.
I had the R32 fronts with std rears and they were a big improvement over the std fronts and had plenty of stopping power but now with the TTRS setup I have so much confidence in the middle pedal and it was worth every penny.
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I've just heard so many bad stories about the ttrs discs :(
Would love some 4 pots really but there a lot of money
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Don't get the TTRS discs, I went for the DaveB brackets from AKS tuning with 340mm TTS discs. The brackets and discs all in cost me £400 which is about the same as a new set of TTRS discs (which are pants) and now it'll only cost me £140ish to replace the discs.
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As did I! :evilgrin:
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I wanna play
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Someone fancy selling me theres?
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Looking at r32 fronts and rears, I don't take it on track but I do love a country road drive :driver: will I see a decent improvent to benefit spending the money on them? Cars running about 320bhp at the moment
I'm a big fan of the R32/S3 setup, reasonably priced and a huge improvement on the 312s, much of that comes from not only the obvious increase in disc diameter but that big old 51mm single piston gives a nice pedal and a slightly over-servoed 'grab' which I think gives you a lot of confidence in them as fast road brakes imo :smiley:
I used mine without complaints on lots of track days and with the right pads and fresh fluid they hold their own up to a point, only downside is the increase in weight and the relatively limited pad choice, although you can get project mu, endless and some Pagid compounds along with the usual Mintex 'M' range and Ferodo DS etc
Great bang for buck mod :happy2:
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I get put off because everyone says about how heavy they are, some people say there good, others say there not worth it :/
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As for the extra weight, you'll only ever notice it as slightly heavier steering at most, can be reduced slightly by using the TTS discs and even more so by using S3 lower arms,
The R32 kit will never win any scene points but for the money it's a easy and huge improvement in braking compared to the stock brakes :happy2:
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You won't be disappointed with the R32's all round, especially with braided hoses 5.1 fluid and some decent pads and discs they'll be a very big improvement over the STD brakes. Yes they're heavier bit tbh with 320bhp and I'm assuming 320lb/f + you won't feel as if your car suddenly got really slow. I did notice though that when I went to the TTRS setup steering just feels a bit sharper and more agile.
The reason I suggest some 4pot kit is because of you're going to the expense and effort of doing it then you may as well do it right. Decent R32's all round with new hoses/ pads and discs will be about £750?? I managed to put mine together for just over £1k and I bought new everything and had them refurbished. For me that £250 is well worth it.
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To add I'd personally not bother with the rears from the R32 setup, the fronts alone make enough of a difference and although the fears do bring some extra balance to the system as a whole I think the fronts only makes for a more involving drive especially on track :happy2:
TTS discs, HEL lines and some new OE fluid can be had for £200, some tatty calipers off ebay and refurb yourself? (Surprisingly easy with the R32 calipers) should all come in around £500..
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TTRS
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-RS-TTRS-Brembofront-brake-calipers-/271753293468?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f45c22e9c
http://www.mtecbrakes.com/brake-discs/audi/tt-coupe-2006/tt-2-5t-fsi-rs-quattro-07-09.html
http://www.autops.co.uk/checkout.asp
Get the brackets from AKS for £260 delivered (they come with hoses)
This is nearly identical to what I have atm.
R32
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-AUDI-345mm-calipers-and-carriers-MK5-R32-TT-S3-RED-/291362291883?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43d68bc0ab
HEL braided hoses £40
http://www.mtecbrakes.com/brake-discs/audi/tt-coupe-2006/tt-2-5t-fsi-rs-quattro-07-09.html
http://www.tsr-performance.com/webshop/?webshoppage=shopping_cart