MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: 4WD edition30???
Post by: DomBacon on January 06, 2015, 11:15:15 pm
Currently stage2 at the moment and going stage2+ at the end of the month
Couple months later I'll be looking at getting a bigger turbo

The car already spins up a bit too much as it is and I was wondering can I make my edition30 4wd?
Any help would be much appreciated  :happy2:
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: dansmith180 on January 06, 2015, 11:26:14 pm
I don't know of any that have been done but I imagine that you could get most of the parts (if not all) from an R32. Speak to Alex at AKS, he's doing a 4WD conversion on his Octavia I believe (I know its not the same as a MK5). He would probably know what you'd need
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: Andy on January 06, 2015, 11:31:31 pm
There has been a gti made into 4wd so yeah its possible if you get a doner car but it's a costly conversion and lot of metal work
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: Pikey Motorsports on January 06, 2015, 11:33:04 pm
yes its not a bad job jus wiring and you need to modify the wheel well

you dont need 4wd tho with a good setup
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: dan930 on January 07, 2015, 12:58:43 am
It's been done,I remember seeing a article in a Vw magazine with a 4wd mk5 gti
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: basman on January 07, 2015, 01:10:04 am
cant see that too hard what bout s3 running gear??
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: Andy on January 07, 2015, 01:18:49 am
Allan fishburn from Darlington was the one in the mag
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on January 07, 2015, 08:29:11 am
S3 gearbox, propshaft and rear subframe (inc diff ect).

@GarethB (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4024) has bought all the bits to do his - if he hasn't sold it yet  :scared:

You need to cut out the spare wheel well and plate up. As the mk5 chassis is designed for 4wd the prop and everything else fit in just fine  :happy2:
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: galaxie500 on January 07, 2015, 08:47:25 am
Why not buy an R32 and swap out the V6 for a 4 pot Edition 30 or S3 motor?! No need for all that body & suspension work.
Just a thought....
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: bigmig95 on January 07, 2015, 09:19:57 am
@paulmk5gti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5360) has done this and is up and running, he might give you an indicative cost ?  :drinking:
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: MC71 on January 07, 2015, 10:03:24 am
It's on my list.  :innocent:
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: DomBacon on January 07, 2015, 10:20:52 am
It's on my list.  :innocent:

How does yours handle at the moment?
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: paulmk5gti on January 07, 2015, 10:33:51 am
@paulmk5gti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5360) has done this and is up and running, he might give you an indicative cost ?  :drinking:
Like others have said it's not to bad to do. I collected the parts slowly from eBay and various vag breakers. All in I think it was just shy of 1k for parts and my labour was free. It took me and a friend around 20 hours from start to finish. The most time consuming part was removing the interior to weld the centre propshaft supports.
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: MK1Campaign on January 07, 2015, 10:40:43 am
Just a buy a MK6 R.
Be cheaper in the long run.
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: TommyR on January 07, 2015, 10:50:00 am
What about some sticky rubber and a diff? Pikey on here and Ryan from Midnight Garage are running 500+ with just the front wheels driven...
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: Nodz on January 07, 2015, 10:51:43 am

Why not buy an R32 and swap out the V6 for a 4 pot Edition 30 or S3 motor?! No need for all that body & suspension work.
Just a thought....

Because car tax on an r32 is higher
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: MC71 on January 07, 2015, 10:58:28 am
Just a buy a MK6 R.
Be cheaper in the long run.

 yeap but ANYONE can do that, too easy.

It's on my list.  :innocent:

How does yours handle at the moment?

Really REALLY well.

Yes there is too much power for a FWD car but once rolling she's as planted as anything with 4WD. The progressive linear map from R-Tech is the greatest mod I have so that helps. She is still raw compared to a nicely sorted "out of the box" 4WD VW or AUDI but that's one of the attractions for me.

I think £2k all in should be achiveable from start to finish for parts and labour. If I decided to go BT with WMI then I'd def do it.

What about some sticky rubber and a diff? Pikey on here and Ryan from Midnight Garage are running 500+ with just the front wheels driven...

That's the other option and probalby a similar price!
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: DomBacon on January 07, 2015, 12:09:50 pm
So pretty much there both going to cost the same sort of price to do, ones just going to take longer than the other!
I have a custom r32 style exhaust on mine, would that be in the way?
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: Pikey Motorsports on January 07, 2015, 12:41:27 pm
Yes the rear section of the exhaust needs to be routed differently.. Just keep it fwd it will make the car slower going 4wd in a straight line
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: DomBacon on January 07, 2015, 12:53:11 pm
Yes the rear section of the exhaust needs to be routed differently.. Just keep it fwd it will make the car slower going 4wd in a straight line

But if I get a bigger turbo running over 400bhp it'll be quicker still!
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: dan930 on January 07, 2015, 12:57:25 pm
When I had my ed30 with H&R handling mods it was very nimble & felt very planted going round corners,the golfR is a VERY different story cause its heavier,I did the same handling mods to it & it still felt different compared to the ed30
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on January 07, 2015, 12:58:44 pm
Just a buy a MK6 R.
Be cheaper in the long run.

A decent 6R is at least £10k more than an ed30 these days. . . I doubt the conversion would cost more than £4k
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: Pikey Motorsports on January 07, 2015, 12:59:54 pm
It will yes, i guess its just peoples preferences and driving styles.. i ran 470 with 1.5 bar of boost and in no way did i feel it had to much power especially on the road and i dont tend to use 1st and 2nd anyway



Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: Pikey Motorsports on January 07, 2015, 01:02:18 pm
I wint deny though i wont dare use 2.3 bar on combe it does need awd for that kind of power on track on there anyway but is bumpy
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: TimmyH92 on January 07, 2015, 07:27:37 pm
But if I get a bigger turbo running over 400bhp it'll be quicker still!

Only from a launch and lower speeds... From a roll its just extra weight and transmission loss.
Title: Re: 4WD edition30???
Post by: th3_f15t on January 07, 2015, 07:32:56 pm
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,70633.0.html - Work in progress but gives you a good idea what's involved in a job like this.

It's a split opinion about going 4 wheel drive, like the age old "manual vs. DSG" debate. End of the day, if you want it, do it. Life's too short to be sensible all the time...