MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Curley89 on January 08, 2015, 11:45:11 pm
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On route to R-Tech my standard S3 clutch on 84k started slipping so it is time for it to be replaced.
I'm currently running just below 310 bhp but this will soon be a bit more when the down pipe, HPFP and another map is added.
I contacted @vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981) and he suggested Helix which I now see is quite popular on this forum. In Particular he recommended the 6 paddle clutch as the organic clutch just won't handle any launches.
I tend not to do launches but if a Golf GTI pulls up next to me at the lights I would like to have the option to! :driver:
This car isn't and won't be tracked. It is my daily driver which gets taken 15 miles to work where I usually get caught in traffic every morning and evening so do not want something too harsh. I would like to stick with the OEM DMF.
Looking through some old posts and @Tfsi_Mike (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=293) was running an organic clutch on his stage 2+ car. On the other hand @Phil_T (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1141) Sachs uprated organic clutch started to slip after 15,000 and he mentions he didn't do any launches but both of these instances were a few years ago. More recent, @MC71 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4913) seems to be happy running his organic clutch with 380 ft lb torque. I've also found a lot of posts of praise for Helix but most don't mention if they have had the organic or paddle options fitted.
Ideally I would go for the Helix 6 paddle so I know I'll be safe from slippage but everyone I have mentioned this to have told me to avoid paddle clutches for a daily driver. After doing some research It seems the 6 paddle isn't as on/off as a 4 paddle so would really be interested to have some reviews from the Helix 6 paddle owners or anyone that has some experience in this field.
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That's odd. My Sachs has now done around 50-60k miles. I've had no signs of slippage but am expecting it soon.
Mine hasn't done any 1/4 miles & launches. Has done 6-8 Trackdays (a few of them half days)
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I had a sachs organic on my R and I found it was less stop/start friendly than the OEM clutch, especially when running in.
I can't imagine crawling in traffic with a 6 or 4 paddle would be a nice experience :confused:
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My Sachs, although obviously stiffer than stock, is quite civilised. Perhaps too stiff for some. It's imposible to say what is a good pedal feel as everyone would have their own opinion.
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I'm really happy with my Organic Helix alongside a OEM DMF but mines a manual car so slightly different as no launch control. It's more than happy with the abuse I give it, the pedal feel is great and inspires much more confidence when pressing on.
Pedal feel was around 50% stiffer than the OEM when first fitted but soon bedding in and feels just a touch stiffer now (or im used to it) with a nice solid feel to it.
There absolutey no extra noise from it, no cluncking or rattling etc so as a daily driver (without a Stage 3 manual car or Stage 2+ DSG) it's perfect for the job.
Only caveat Id add is that if Alex recommends a specific mod for a specific situation.......that good enough for me.
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I had a sachs organic on my R and I found it was less stop/start friendly than the OEM clutch, especially when running in.
I can't imagine crawling in traffic with a 6 or 4 paddle would be a nice experience :confused:
This is what worries me, I'd definitely prefer the peace of mind but I don't want to hate driving the car when stuck in traffic
My Sachs, although obviously stiffer than stock, is quite civilised. Perhaps too stiff for some. It's imposible to say what is a good pedal feel as everyone would have their own opinion.
Very true, I had a Renault Sport 182 which was a stiff clutch and occasionally caused an achy leg
I'm really happy with my Organic Helix alongside a OEM DMF but mines a manual car so slightly different as no launch control. It's more than happy with the abuse I give it, the pedal feel is great and inspires much more confidence when pressing on.
Pedal feel was around 50% stiffer than the OEM when first fitted but soon bedding in and feels just a touch stiffer now (or im used to it) with a nice solid feel to it.
There absolutey no extra noise from it, no cluncking or rattling etc so as a daily driver (without a Stage 3 manual car or Stage 2+ DSG) it's perfect for the job.
Only caveat Id add is that if Alex recommends a specific mod for a specific situation.......that good enough for me.
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Mine is also manual. I mentioned I'd do the odd launch from a standing start which is when he recommended the Helix 6 paddle. It's possible my girlfriend will use this car when I get a company car so I must consider this too.