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Title: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: dansmith180 on January 16, 2015, 02:48:04 pm
As Above really, I'm currently on just a remap and intake i also have an exhaust but hasn't been mapped since it was fitted.

I have had stage 2+ plans for a while, and then I thought that £2500 for 25bhp 60LB/F was a bit much so I changed my mind and thought to do a CDL engine conversion. Then I wondered if I wanted to spend all that money on a 10 year old car so considered leasing a MK7 R (I'm test driving one tomorrow)

So as you can see I'm a very indecisive person (which drives me insane sometimes) So has anybody gone from what I have to stage 2+? I need some perspective I think so I can compare it to the R and my current setup. Is it a nice bit of extra power or transformed?

Any advice appreciated.
Title: Re: Difference between stage 1+ and stage 2+ K03
Post by: Sug on January 16, 2015, 05:41:12 pm
There is no comparison lease the R
Title: Re: Difference between stage 1+ and stage 2+ K03
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on January 16, 2015, 06:48:45 pm
There is no comparison lease the R

But of a wait for one though  :popcornsoda:

You may have changed your mind by the time it arrives.
Title: Re: Difference between stage 1+ and stage 2+ K03
Post by: dansmith180 on January 16, 2015, 07:00:14 pm
There is no comparison lease the R

But of a wait for one though  :popcornsoda:

You may have changed your mind by the time it arrives.

Haha, probably would have changed it about 6 times   :laugh:
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: rich83 on January 16, 2015, 07:19:38 pm
Stage 2+.  Everyone and there dog has got a mk7R.  :indifferent:
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: MC71 on January 16, 2015, 07:34:03 pm
Mk6 R.

 Best of both worlds, engine wise and 4WD and you'll be able to mod it whereas you'll be stuck with 300 ponnies with your borrowed Mk7.
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: dansmith180 on January 16, 2015, 07:36:16 pm
Stage 2+.  Everyone and there dog has got a mk7R.  :indifferent:

That's sort of whats putting me off, its a very nice car it'll be an easy life with no MOT full warranty etc.. But its not as special as mine is to me even if it can be a PITA sometimes
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: dansmith180 on January 16, 2015, 07:37:40 pm
Mk6 R.

 Best of both worlds, engine wise and 4WD and you'll be able to mod it whereas you'll be stuck with 300 ponnies with your borrowed Mk7.

I haven't got the cash in my pocket unfortunately, I could scrape about 12K absolute Max.
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: MC71 on January 16, 2015, 07:47:55 pm
^^^^ CDL lump and get it to stage 2+ then.  :wink:



Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: bigmig95 on January 16, 2015, 07:56:15 pm
I went through all this a while back, half decent Gti at stage 2+ still as solid as a rock with 100K on the clock.  A decent BYD came up for a steel so that's going in.  Will have cost me £2,500 all in when fitted and I'll be around 350 ponies or so with existing hardware on.
Oh forgot the £1K on LSD as well  :ashamed:

A new car is a big outlay and the mk5 with a few styling mods can still look superb.  If your car is in good condition still then stick a CDL in for not much outlay and run it for a couple of years.   :happy2: 

When you sell up I even think a low mileage CDL conversion might attract the enthusiast more so in a couple of years rather than something like a 100K AXX or BWA in the engine bay, plus you'll have had a couple of years of  :driver:

Also a great base for a track weapon. :happy2:
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: Sug on January 16, 2015, 07:58:19 pm
Stage 2+.  Everyone and there dog has got a mk7R.  :indifferent:

You do have a point you see a lot more than you do the 6R
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: Orc on January 16, 2015, 08:03:53 pm
CDL lump rip the turbo off and twin turbo it!!!
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: dansmith180 on January 16, 2015, 08:16:41 pm
I went through all this a while back, half decent Gti at stage 2+ still as solid as a rock with 100K on the clock.  A decent BYD came up for a steel so that's going in.  Will have cost me £2,500 all in when fitted and I'll be around 350 ponies or so with existing hardware on.
Oh forgot the £1K on LSD as well  :ashamed:

A new car is a big outlay and the mk5 with a few styling mods can still look superb.  If your car is in good condition still then stick a CDL in for not much outlay and run it for a couple of years.   :happy2: 

When you sell up I even think a low mileage CDL conversion might attract the enthusiast more so in a couple of years rather than something like a 100K AXX or BWA in the engine bay, plus you'll have had a couple of years of  :driver:

Also a great base for a track weapon. :happy2:

It's interesting what you say about 100k AXX being solid running stage 2+ because that's exactly what I'd be looking at. I thought I may run into issues with the age and the way I like to drive it, however it's a pretty clean engine and I look after it the best I can V-power, millers, never thrashed cold etc...

I've just been driving myself a bit mad because I can't just take all three options to a track and then chose which one I want unfortunately  :signLOL:

Maybe I'll stage 2+ and just drive it how I want and if it breaks then I'll take it from there.
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: dan930 on January 16, 2015, 08:24:20 pm
Stage 2+.  Everyone and there dog has got a mk7R.  :indifferent:

You do have a point you see a lot more than you do the 6R

+2
Maybe because of the CHEAP lease deals going around
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: th3_f15t on January 16, 2015, 09:17:24 pm
Bloody tricky one this. Don't bother with a mk7 R, as good as they are leasing one will mean you're forced to drive it stock the whole time. Plus you then have to give it back and then watch it get sold for silly cheap money (by people like me), and you'll think that if you just saved all the money you spent on a lease deal you could of bought it instead in a few years.

In the mean time, stage 2+ you current engine. If it's still not enough, get a CDL engine. Just make sure you buy stage 2+ parts that can swap over (mainly thinking about the intake here) so then you can instantly stage 2+ a CDL engine should you wish.
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: dansmith180 on January 16, 2015, 10:17:10 pm
Bloody tricky one this. Don't bother with a mk7 R, as good as they are leasing one will mean you're forced to drive it stock the whole time. Plus you then have to give it back and then watch it get sold for silly cheap money (by people like me), and you'll think that if you just saved all the money you spent on a lease deal you could of bought it instead in a few years.

In the mean time, stage 2+ you current engine. If it's still not enough, get a CDL engine. Just make sure you buy stage 2+ parts that can swap over (mainly thinking about the intake here) so then you can instantly stage 2+ a CDL engine should you wish.

You make some good points sir, all my stuff is interchangeable so that's good to go. My problem with the R (which is why I want to try one) is I think it will be to 'safe' and that will make it a bit boring. I went for a drive in mine last night and all I could think was I can't imagine the 4wd system could be this fun, I had enough traction to put the power down but I had to work for it with throttle moderation and the odd short shift which is the whole theatre and fun of driving for me.
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: th3_f15t on January 16, 2015, 10:27:32 pm
The R's are in a different world in terms of handling, you could call it "safe" or you could call it "unbelievable grip" but without driving one you can't be certain which it is.

My philosophy is to do the cheapest and/or easiest thing first when it comes to cars.
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: Tortaruga on January 17, 2015, 12:29:50 am
By all accounts you'll be smitten by a spin in the mk7 R.
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: Sug on January 17, 2015, 06:57:06 am
If a mk7R is a serious option then I would go down that route. Haven't had the pleasure of driving or been a passenger in one but they look lovely. As for "only" having 300bhp a tuning box will sort that to 360ish and if any probs just take it off.
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: PT82 on January 17, 2015, 10:14:03 am
A lot of lease deals seem to be 20k miles and two years. Then you pay per mile. Another deciding factor maybe.
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: dansmith180 on January 17, 2015, 10:43:40 am
A lot of lease deals seem to be 20k miles and two years. Then you pay per mile. Another deciding factor maybe.

True but the charge seems to be minimal because a friend was looking at leasing a 6R a while ago and he does about 20k a year but the monthly payments were still very reasonable.
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: dansmith180 on January 17, 2015, 10:45:17 am
If VW ever get back to me I need to try one and I'll probably know within 5 minutes if I want one.
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: GS WAX on January 17, 2015, 11:43:55 am
If VW ever get back to me I need to try one and I'll probably know within 5 minutes if I want one.

Do Windrush still have a couple of Demo's, although prob managers cars and not working weekends :laugh:
Title: Re: Stage 2+, CDL conversion or MK7 R
Post by: dansmith180 on January 17, 2015, 12:13:50 pm
If VW ever get back to me I need to try one and I'll probably know within 5 minutes if I want one.

Do Windrush still have a couple of Demo's, although prob managers cars and not working weekends :laugh:

Nope Windrush are all out, funny you say that because I spoke to Ridgeview and the bloke said they're often branch managers etc.. Cars so they don't hang about  :signLOL: