MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Hedge on November 23, 2009, 01:05:32 pm
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I bought mine from Ebay before the group buy was announced and compared to the Buy it Now price I had a bit of a result. Less than 7 days later the group buy was announced at a much reduced price, oh well some you wil some you lose.
It was dispatched quite quickly and I received it in 1 or 2 days. All good so far. Myself and vRStu fitted it the following Sunday and noticed there was only 3 jubilee clips, once again oh well.
Over the coming days I start to notice a bit of an engine oil smell and the car is not quite pulling as well as it had. I looked at the hoses and right angle connectors and found that they had distorted and were squashed flat. Having seen this it was removed and the OEM PCV replaced. As the group buy was well under way I kept things very low key and PM'd Dubtek.
The response from Dubtek was "Could you send me back the bits you need replacing so I can send some pics to BSH to report the problem you've had, and to replace them with the right bits please?"
Sounds promising I thought. I did offer to take the pictures myself but was told "If the kit is off the car then I'd prefer to see the failed part myself. We make hoses and fittings, so for the 2 reasons in my last pm i'd like to make my own judgement on it and do a proper report to BSH for you, if its a genuine design fault they are going to want some detailed info."
This exchange happened on the 5th September and once again I was not concerned so I put them in the post and waited.
On the 15th September I PM'd Dubtek once again.
"Hi,
Well it has been a week now so I was wondering what your thoughts were and where we go from here?
If you prefer my mobile number is 07xxx xxxxxx.
Regards,
Ian."
Bens response said he was waiting on word from BSH and offered to send me some steel replacements. Winner I thought, in my reply I also asked if I could purchase some more rubber hose as I planned to relocate it.
Nothing happened so I PM'd Ben again on the 24th September and said "I understand you are busy with the group buy at the moment but if you have a moment I was wondering where we are with this."
and was told
"No worries, not forgotten about you, awaiting stock of 10 x new steel replacement fittings which should be with me Monday - will forward them on asap - please send me your name/address details though as they weren't enclosed in the returned fittings envelope."
So I replied with my postal address and that has been the last I heard from Dubtek/Ben at that time. I PM'd him on the 5th October asking what was happening but received no response and also PM'd him again asking what the score was.
On advice from Quality Dave I rang Ben and spoke to him and he promised to put something in the post. I then received 2 very large metal fittings which are completely unusable. I tried calling him again and one of the people in the office gave me his email address so I emailed him but received no response.
I gave it another couple of weeks, so we are now talking early November. I called him and he said that he would do something for me in the coming week or so. After I waited the alloted time with no response I thought, as Phil @ BSH was now on the forum, I would contact him.
I tried PM'ing him and then subsequently emailing him last week at his request, which I have had no response to.
Some of you will ask why I am writing this, I think ultimately I guess I am writing this as I am a bit miffed at being ignored and I would like some support regarding the product I have bought. I would have been and bought some of the fittings myself but they are some strange US thread so not freely available over here.
I still wish to try and engage Dubtek and resolve my problems, which he has promised to do, but now more than 2 months after first contacting him I still have my catch can sat in its box in the garage.
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The end of day mate u have done the correct thing by speaking your mind on the site as thats what make the forum great as its not biased to any of the tuners out there. :smiley: good luck mate and keep us informed how u get on
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can you show us the pictures?
I have been speaking with BSH lately for our stuff, so i might be able to help
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Good luck Ian, i know youve been sat on your Hands for along time, and hope he will sort this out. Hope that your kit is not the same as the others, or this could be a massive problem for BSH to resolve.
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was it from an official BSH reseller on ebay....or someone "pretending" that it was the BSH kit when it fact it may be a crap copy?
thats ebay for you tho...anything goes! hence why i'll never use it.
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was it from an official BSH reseller on ebay....or someone "pretending" that it was the BSH kit when it fact it may be a crap copy?
thats ebay for you tho...anything goes! hence why i'll never use it.
It was from Dubtek.
I am at the point now where it has been so long that any help would be greatly appreciated. All I am after are the 3 plastic right angles.
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was it from an official BSH reseller on ebay....or someone "pretending" that it was the BSH kit when it fact it may be a crap copy?
thats ebay for you tho...anything goes! hence why i'll never use it.
It was from Dubtek.
I am at the point now where it has been so long that any help would be greatly appreciated. All I am after are the 3 plastic right angles.
oh!
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All I am after are the 3 plastic right angles.
Can I suggest getting 3 of these brass boys instead?
http://www.hkl-gaspower.co.uk/default.aspx?p=1357
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Have to say that I've not had the best experience with dubtek and previous BSH products, in the end I got my money back via paypal but it caused a shed load of stress. Hopefully you'll get it sorted out.... but overall the catch can hasn't been thought trough in anyway shape or form for vehicles outside of the US and owners having to bodge pipe routes, fittings etc in my mind is unacceptable and very unprofessional of the company and distributor who's in the eyes of the law responsible for providing a satisfactory product.
Luke
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For what it's worth I am having a similar experience - with an order for BSH droplinks. These were ordered on 23 Oct and I'm still waiting on these.
Ben informs me that these may have been lost in the post. I'm inclined to give Ben the benefit of the doubt as he comes across as a genuine and helpful person over the phone.
Fingers-crossed... I hope you get your stuff sorted. I feel your pain :scared:
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Sorry to hear about your problems Hedge and hope that they get sorted soon.
Personally I do believe BSH have a quality set of products and your problem lies more in the distribution of them in the UK as they are a new brand over here and hence do not have many spare parts or products available.
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[subscribing to this thread with interest in the outcome]
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i ve not fitted mine yet cause read too many stories on here , why did nt the kit come with metal elbows ?? the plastic ones do look very flimsey :sad1:
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This was the reason for selling mine.. first i did not like how the blanking plate did not sit flush to the block.. also how the valves had to be cut short which had an effect that you could not screw them up fully tight.
Also the mounting situation was very poor as i felt it wasn't thought out enough & was the final straw for me.. im considering the forge but the price is ridiculous & the fact that you have to change the water bottle feed which i feel is unnecessary.. why not just mount on the opposite side of the engine therefore removing the need for the new water bottle feed & reducing manufacturer costs
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Also the mounting situation was very poor as i felt it wasn't thought out enough & was the final straw for me..
....BSH didn't have the forethought to sufficiently consider the European market and the fact that the cars here have a charcoal cannister fitted. However, some of us have been creative and found various mounting positions on the other side, but they all have to then accommodate your chosen air intake if it's aftermarket. BSH aren't internationally biassed enough for my liking.
Which reminds me that I said I'd try and source a charcoal can for them. :rolleye:
im considering the forge but the price is ridiculous & the fact that you have to change the water bottle feed which i feel is unnecessary.. why not just mount on the opposite side of the engine therefore removing the need for the new water bottle feed & reducing manufacturer costs
....I agree. Small point as it may seem to be, but I like to see the level of washer fluid I'm topping up in the oem neck feed. The Forge is a clever solution and the tank looks good, but..
On the other hand, you can never fault the high standard of Forge engineering - Always superb. I'm looking forward to getting their Twintake.
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Mine hasn't been fitted yet either. I didn't like the functionality of how the catch can is emptied. I'm looking at Nitrous injection at the moment as a low shot bhp increase, which will also act as a cleaner for the system. Water/meth injection can also do the same. :smiley:
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Mine hasn't been fitted yet either. I didn't like the functionality of how the catch can is emptied.
....Funnily enough the BSH's 'tap' style of opening and emptying is one of the things I like about it - It's much more reliable than just a threaded bolt.
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Same here RR!
Also if you place the can in a good place you can empty without removing which is also a plus.
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mines works fine. :smiley:
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mines works fine. :smiley:
Is that with the valve open Joe? :wink: :laugh:
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mines works fine. :smiley:
Is that with the valve open Joe? :wink: :laugh:
:P :grin:
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:laugh: - Mine worked extremely well with the tap open too.
So for the BSH tap : - PASS WITH HONOURS
But for the BSH instructions about the tap : - FAIL
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Mine hasn't been fitted yet either. I didn't like the functionality of how the catch can is emptied.
....Funnily enough the BSH's 'tap' style of opening and emptying is one of the things I like about it - It's much more reliable than just a threaded bolt.
Maybe it is just me then. The fact that I can't find a decent place to fit it due to my other mods means it would be a pain to empty. :sad1:
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Maybe it is just me then. The fact that I can't find a decent place to fit it due to my other mods means it would be a pain to empty. :sad1:
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I'm assuming that you are not wanting to fit it adjacent to the bottles and charcoal cannister. So that then depends on which aftermarket air intake you want to run.
If oem there are several places where the tank can be fixed - Using the two holes on the slam panel to fit it in front of the fuses box. As an island in front of the battery (as I think stokeballoon posted pics of). Or if you have an intake such as a Forge Twintake which fills the area, then much further towards the front (see my pic with it not connected and intake temporarily removed). The ITG intake gives much more of a problem unless you fit it on the driver's side (UK) by the bottles.
Wherever you fit the BSH, the easiest way to empty is to loosen off the P-ring and waggle the cylinder upwards to better access the tap.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FEmpty_above.jpg&hash=c88c0354c8d382029aa1a7f703ec278fb1c43937)
Obviously you don't want to be fitting it above the fans or similar spots to risk potential problems.
HTH :happy2:
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Wow, say it how it is Ian... :surprised:
In fairness, yes, it took me absolutely ages to get some steel equivalent fittings to replace your BSH versions, which were the first I'd seen that had begun to collapse/melt. I did in the end, manage to find some compact 90 degree steel fittings with an adaptor to marry them up with the USA thread in the pcv plate, NPT. (tapered) You felt these were both unsightly and wouldnt give you enough clearance (too bulky). Other than that, having spent a fair few hours looking at solutions, my only alternative was to offer new BSH replacements, which I was waiting on coming in.
These came in, today....so as of today, I can offer exactly as I offered - please pm/call me if you still want this solution and the replacements will be with you before the end of the week.
Yes I agree, my responses were not upto standard, and my excuses matter not now, but as Red Robin amongst others know, came at a time when my personal life was taking a hammering (arrival of baby / wife ill following birth / death of family member all in 8 weeks) , and we had no staff to cover things like this forum and its members. Dubtek is one of 3 businesses I run so in effect my absence from work only made for a reduced service between September/October.
I can assure normal service is now resumed and the way your problem has been handled is not the norm.
Likewise BSH are working fully with this club now and Dubtek to make their products 100% compatible with UK/Euro cars. Hats off to them as you dont see many other companies from across the pond joining UK forums to work directly with the members here to make products better.... :congrats:
I hope your experiences with us and BSH havent affected your confidence in the products or the companies too much and I hope we can be of assistance in the future. Please accept my honest apologies for any frustrations caused. :happy2:
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Not fitted mine either as I wanted to change the piping but all these posts concern me and I wonder if i wil ever fit it?
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Thank you Ben.
Hope all is well now with your family.
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Hope you also manage to help Ian out too!
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Not fitted mine either as I wanted to change the piping but all these posts concern me and I wonder if i wil ever fit it?
It will fit just fine don't worry, just make sure you plan ahead a little taking into consideration how you are going to empty the can and how future mods might impact the placement. Is quite a simple job as well.
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In fairness to Ben he has been nothing but courteous in replying to my PM's after a protracted absence (reason now explained).
These things happen and I hoping all will be resolved soon :happy2:
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Thank you Ben.
Hope all is well now with your family.
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Hope you also manage to help Ian out too!
.... x 2 :smiley:
I'll be wanting some of your HEL ss braided hoses in due course, Ben, and possibly/probably the bigger BSH 'Competition' can. I gotta fit my Forge Twintake first, then I know exactly what I'm working with. Stokeballoon very kindly helped me out moving the fixing position, as my pic in Reply #24.
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Thank you for your response Ben much appreciated.
Given your circumstances I am fully understanding why things happened as they did and I apologise if I have come across as ignorant and not sympathetic.
I will take you up on the 3 replacement plastic fittings and hopefully these events can be put behind us.
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:grouphug: :congrats:
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Maybe it is just me then. The fact that I can't find a decent place to fit it due to my other mods means it would be a pain to empty. :sad1:
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I'm assuming that you are not wanting to fit it adjacent to the bottles and charcoal cannister. So that then depends on which aftermarket air intake you want to run.
If oem there are several places where the tank can be fixed - Using the two holes on the slam panel to fit it in front of the fuses box. As an island in front of the battery (as I think stokeballoon posted pics of). Or if you have an intake such as a Forge Twintake which fills the area, then much further towards the front (see my pic with it not connected and intake temporarily removed). The ITG intake gives much more of a problem unless you fit it on the driver's side (UK) by the bottles.
Wherever you fit the BSH, the easiest way to empty is to loosen off the P-ring and waggle the cylinder upwards to better access the tap.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FEmpty_above.jpg&hash=c88c0354c8d382029aa1a7f703ec278fb1c43937)
Obviously you don't want to be fitting it above the fans or similar spots to risk potential problems.
HTH :happy2:
Thanks for that Robin :smiley:
However, in the area you have shown I have the EVOM's intake dry filter, so I don't want any possibility of oil/water contamination in that area. Also I have aftermarket headlights, which ingress into the same area, plus extra wiring for power for the sound system and the aforementioned headlights. So it is a wee bit tight in there.
I didn't fancy the other side either as the other headlight housing takes up extra space, the charcoal cannister takes up the prime spot and next to that is directly above the belts, so I guess I'm out of luck at present.
I do have a cunning plan, but we'll have to see as it means replacing existing parts :wink:
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No room here then either, John? : -
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I'm guessing that your cunning plan may involve a migrating battery :wink:
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You may well be right :notworthy:
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My plastic connectors have also collapsed, but I've reshaped them, up to a point, but there's still a whiff of oil, and I'm not sure whether they're not leaking a little, if BSH have made steel or alloy replacements, is it possible to replace/exchange them them??
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Thank you Ben.
Hope all is well now with your family.
:happy2:
Hope you also manage to help Ian out too!
.... x 2 :smiley:
I'll be wanting some of your HEL ss braided hoses in due course, Ben, and possibly/probably the bigger BSH 'Competition' can
Likewise here - preferably before I fit the kit - thread subscribed to !
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i removed my catch can after a week as there was a cluncking noise which turned out to be the check valve in the crankcase breather, from what i can gather the bsh system doesnt need the check valve so it just rattles around. but somehow it broke mine with all the rattling! ( apparently some people knock the check valve out with a screw driver when they run the kit to get rid of the clunking sound) then when i converted back to standard the checkvalve was broke and it blew some serious oil out of the filler cap! also when i removed the kit i found the plasic elbows were really garled up with oil mayo stuff the diameter was about 6mm! this was after a week so i wasnt willing to find out what it was going to be like after any longer.
i have now had the new crankcase breather and new revision L rocker cover pcv fitted and it is perfect holds the remap boost with no sign of oil round the cap or dipstick etc
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i removed my catch can after a week as there was a cluncking noise which turned out to be the check valve in the crankcase breather, from what i can gather the bsh system doesnt need the check valve so it just rattles around. but somehow it broke mine with all the rattling! ( apparently some people knock the check valve out with a screw driver when they run the kit to get rid of the clunking sound) then when i converted back to standard the checkvalve was broke and it blew some serious oil out of the filler cap! also when i removed the kit i found the plasic elbows were really garled up with oil mayo stuff the diameter was about 6mm! this was after a week so i wasnt willing to find out what it was going to be like after any longer.
i have now had the new crankcase breather and new revision L rocker cover pcv fitted and it is perfect holds the remap boost with no sign of oil round the cap or dipstick etc
....^ This information worries me :sad1: - I'll be adding this subject as something to check on my list of To-Do's at VWR on my next visit.
Tut-tut, BSH, it seems from these reports that you may need to revise your product.
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i removed my catch can after a week as there was a cluncking noise which turned out to be the check valve in the crankcase breather, from what i can gather the bsh system doesnt need the check valve so it just rattles around. but somehow it broke mine with all the rattling! ( apparently some people knock the check valve out with a screw driver when they run the kit to get rid of the clunking sound) then when i converted back to standard the checkvalve was broke and it blew some serious oil out of the filler cap! also when i removed the kit i found the plasic elbows were really garled up with oil mayo stuff the diameter was about 6mm! this was after a week so i wasnt willing to find out what it was going to be like after any longer.
i have now had the new crankcase breather and new revision L rocker cover pcv fitted and it is perfect holds the remap boost with no sign of oil round the cap or dipstick etc
Have you got a part number for the new breather mate?
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06F129101L i think it is £28 but i got one fitted under warrantee :happy2:
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i removed my catch can after a week as there was a cluncking noise which turned out to be the check valve in the crankcase breather, from what i can gather the bsh system doesnt need the check valve so it just rattles around. but somehow it broke mine with all the rattling! ( apparently some people knock the check valve out with a screw driver when they run the kit to get rid of the clunking sound) then when i converted back to standard the checkvalve was broke and it blew some serious oil out of the filler cap! also when i removed the kit i found the plasic elbows were really garled up with oil mayo stuff the diameter was about 6mm! this was after a week so i wasnt willing to find out what it was going to be like after any longer.
i have now had the new crankcase breather and new revision L rocker cover pcv fitted and it is perfect holds the remap boost with no sign of oil round the cap or dipstick etc
....^ This information worries me :sad1: - I'll be adding this subject as something to check on my list of To-Do's at VWR on my next visit.
Tut-tut, BSH, it seems from these reports that you may need to revise your product.
Having read your previous thread, i am not sure we should all jump to the conclusion that is a poor design. Would be good to give BSH a chance (Robin), rather than hanging them on the site. Lets get some subjective evidence.
I have had no problems since I fitted my can, my unions are ok, and it is working as advertised.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8198.0 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8198.0)
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I think the collapsing of the plastic elbows is due to overtightening. The clamps that are supplied are very small, when jubilee clips that small are used they do not exert an even pressure around the circumference because of the design, so if they are overtightened, not by much, they will distort what they are clamping. I don't like to use clamps this small for this reason and I think using the VW 1's like Steve and Robin will stop this happening. As for the white emulsion in the pipes, you will get this whatever system you are using std or otherwise as its a mixture of water and oil which is what the breather sytem carries. All my opnion of course :smiley:
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bang on there gaz IMO.
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i removed my catch can after a week as there was a cluncking noise which turned out to be the check valve in the crankcase breather, from what i can gather the bsh system doesnt need the check valve so it just rattles around.
This is normal if you are using the BSH PCV fix as the fix completely removes the check valvle from the equation. Whether it rattles around or not could depend on if the valve was open or closed when you installed the cattch can, iirc if the valve was open then you will get this rattling noise.
but somehow it broke mine with all the rattling! ( apparently some people knock the check valve out with a screw driver when they run the kit to get rid of the clunking sound)
Yes that is correct as the check valve is no longer needed.
then when i converted back to standard the checkvalve was broke and it blew some serious oil out of the filler cap!
The check valve is actually a weak point of the standard PCV system and is prone to failure on both standard and remapped cars. This is one of the reason BSH chose to bypass it in their PCV fix. I wonder if your check valve may have already been on its way out. Had you noticed if your car was experiencing any troubles holding boost and/or was a erratic at idle?
also when i removed the kit i found the plasic elbows were really garled up with oil mayo stuff the diameter was about 6mm! this was after a week so i wasnt willing to find out what it was going to be like after any longer.
I think you probably over tightened them.
i have now had the new crankcase breather and new revision L rocker cover pcv fitted and it is perfect holds the remap boost with no sign of oil round the cap or dipstick etc
Good :happy2:
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....^ This information worries me :sad1: - I'll be adding this subject as something to check on my list of To-Do's at VWR on my next visit.
Tut-tut, BSH, it seems from these reports that you may need to revise your product.
Sorry Robin, I can't agree with that at all. Please see my previous post as to what I think was the problem.
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then when i converted back to standard the checkvalve was broke and it blew some serious oil out of the filler cap!
The check valve is actually a weak point of the standard PCV system and is prone to failure on both standard and remapped cars. This is one of the reason BSH chose to bypass it in their PCV fix. I wonder if your check valve may have already been on its way out. Had you noticed if your car was experiencing any troubles holding boost and/or was a erratic at idle?
also when i removed the kit i found the plasic elbows were really garled up with oil mayo stuff the diameter was about 6mm! this was after a week so i wasnt willing to find out what it was going to be like after any longer.
I think you probably over tightened them.
there was nothing wrong with the elbows phisically, just inside the diameter was reduced due to the build up of emulsified oil/water, which is what it is supposed to do but when it reaches the can, not in the pipework/fittings i would have thought. my car ran fine prior to the can fit. smooth idle bags of boost! each to there own but iam comfortable and happier with my standard revised setup :happy2:
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i removed my catch can after a week as there was a cluncking noise which turned out to be the check valve in the crankcase breather, from what i can gather the bsh system doesnt need the check valve so it just rattles around. but somehow it broke mine with all the rattling! ( apparently some people knock the check valve out with a screw driver when they run the kit to get rid of the clunking sound) then when i converted back to standard the checkvalve was broke and it blew some serious oil out of the filler cap! also when i removed the kit i found the plasic elbows were really garled up with oil mayo stuff the diameter was about 6mm! this was after a week so i wasnt willing to find out what it was going to be like after any longer.
i have now had the new crankcase breather and new revision L rocker cover pcv fitted and it is perfect holds the remap boost with no sign of oil round the cap or dipstick etc
....^ This information worries me :sad1: - I'll be adding this subject as something to check on my list of To-Do's at VWR on my next visit.
Tut-tut, BSH, it seems from these reports that you may need to revise your product.
Having read your previous thread, i am not sure we should all jump to the conclusion that is a poor design. Would be good to give BSH a chance (Robin), rather than hanging them on the site. Lets get some subjective evidence.
I have had no problems since I fitted my can, my unions are ok, and it is working as advertised.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8198.0 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8198.0)
....You either misread or misunderstand my words, Dave. I am neither "jumping to a conclusion" nor am I "hanging" BSH - I am merely passing comment based on BMX's report. Such reports quite rightly should give anyone cause for concern and I am suggesting that IF there is a fixable problem, BSH would do well to address it.
Please read my posted words again more carefully - The English is quite plain and I have highlit the key words in blue to help:
"Tut-tut, BSH, it seems from these reports that you may need to revise your product"
Yes, I have made honest criticisms of this product in the past but I have also told you to your face (standing in your garage with both can sizes) that I think the BSH cans are in some ways better than I first thought.
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....^ This information worries me :sad1: - I'll be adding this subject as something to check on my list of To-Do's at VWR on my next visit.
Tut-tut, BSH, it seems from these reports that you may need to revise your product.
Sorry Robin, I can't agree with that at all. Please see my previous post as to what I think was the problem.
....Yes, your post you refer to does explain well what was the most likely problem - I didn't have the benefit of seeing it earlier. Emailed notifications from this site are taking too long to find their way onto my computer - No-one's particular fault but it can result in my posts being delivered before all replies are seen. I'll try and cater for this occurrence.
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i removed my catch can after a week as there was a cluncking noise which turned out to be the check valve in the crankcase breather, from what i can gather the bsh system doesnt need the check valve so it just rattles around. but somehow it broke mine with all the rattling! ( apparently some people knock the check valve out with a screw driver when they run the kit to get rid of the clunking sound) then when i converted back to standard the checkvalve was broke and it blew some serious oil out of the filler cap! also when i removed the kit i found the plasic elbows were really garled up with oil mayo stuff the diameter was about 6mm! this was after a week so i wasnt willing to find out what it was going to be like after any longer.
i have now had the new crankcase breather and new revision L rocker cover pcv fitted and it is perfect holds the remap boost with no sign of oil round the cap or dipstick etc
....^ This information worries me :sad1: - I'll be adding this subject as something to check on my list of To-Do's at VWR on my next visit.
Tut-tut, BSH, it seems from these reports that you may need to revise your product.
Having read your previous thread, i am not sure we should all jump to the conclusion that is a poor design. Would be good to give BSH a chance (Robin), rather than hanging them on the site. Lets get some subjective evidence.
I have had no problems since I fitted my can, my unions are ok, and it is working as advertised.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8198.0 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8198.0)
....You either misread or misunderstand my words, Dave. I am neither "jumping to a conclusion" nor am I "hanging" BSH - I am merely passing comment based on BMX's report. Such reports quite rightly should give anyone cause for concern and I am suggesting that IF there is a fixable problem, BSH would do well to address it.
Please read my posted words again more carefully - The English is quite plain and I have highlit the key words in blue to help:
"Tut-tut, BSH, it seems from these reportsthat you may need to revise your product"
Yes, I have made honest criticisms of this product in the past but I have also told you to your face (standing in your garage with both can sizes) that I think the BSH cans are in some ways better than I first thought.
Without this getting out of hand and off topic, the underlying theme in you message (by using the words TUT TUT) is one of criticism. You have slated the catch previously, and I accept that you have retracted some of these comments, but I feel that by using the words TUT TUT you accent your post.
The term 'i am not sure we should all jump to the conclusion that is a poor design' was aimed at BMX, with respect to his previous post, and the fact that his PCV was probably on its way out prior to catch can fit, not at you. It was also a plea to keep the thread on a constructive footing. I have highlit (word?) or highlighted the words in question.
I want BSH to investigate the failings of Ians, IGOR's and BMX's systems and if the design is at fault then a re-design is required, however i do feel that the thread should remain constructive.
Ps my English is just fine, thank you.
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Sorry for being a bit thick but what do they do ?? :ashamed:
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@ stokeballoon:
My criticism is constructive. I do insist on the absolute right to express my views/opinions for all to judge for themselves as they may. Any forum is an arena in which to share a rich variety of honest and sincere views, however misguided or correct they may in truth be. Most criticisms have a constructive kernel buried in them somewhere if you look.
I feel that "Tut-Tut" was appropriate to my view - In its context I used the word as a gentle term. As with many things, the BSH catch can system has some strengths and some weaknesses in its design.
This is very much on topic as I am being honest about my own BSH Catch Can experience.
I think that it's sometimes tricky to know who is specifically addressing who in a post which responds to included quotes from several people (as it was in this case) - A simple misunderstanding.
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Sorry for being a bit thick but what do they do ?? :ashamed:
....Someone else can doubtless describe in detail what an oil catch can does and there are a number of threads on the subject. But in simple terms the aftermarket system interrupts the oem system and extracts and collects gunk made up of water and oil which would otherwise reach and through time harden on the valves.
The fundamental reason why the oem system is the way it is, is to satisfy eco/emission subject matter.
This illustration showing how it works may help : -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.carbing.co.jp%2Fenglish%2Fproducts%2Fcatch%2Fimage%2Ftheory_oil.gif&hash=59e3c160a905d65a260f86c3f57b142558740927)
[^ Thanks John] Check out his linked thread in Reply #54 below - Lots of great info :happy2:
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here (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7040.0) :happy2:
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FAQ's!! The one place I didn't look! Thanks, John. :drinking:
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What I find interesting is that the large tank kit has different (alloy) connectors to the small can version, why can't Dubtek ask BSH for some of these connectors, and replace the frankly weak plastic elbow connectors with these???
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The hoses are actually easier to route with the 90 degree plastic connectors as you can point them in the direction you want the hoses to go.
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The hoses are actually easier to route with the 90 degree plastic connectors as you can point them in the direction you want the hoses to go.
So rubber hose isn't flexible enough?? If not so, why have BSH changed the connectors?? :confused:
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Rubber hoses are flexible for most of the locations for a catch can but do have limitations. That's why I shall be buying some of Dubtek's HEL stainless steel braided hoses for mine.
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Red,
Did you ever get the SS hoses for your can...?
I would be interested to know how you got on with this, as I envisage some issues with the hoses kinking on my kit due to not having the 90 deg elbows with the stage 2+ kit.
Do you know what size the hose clamps are as these are also not supplied..?
Lastly; I understand there is a check valve that should be removed (comes from the turbo or something) ?
thanks,
Z
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Red,
Did you ever get the SS hoses for your can...?
I would be interested to know how you got on with this, as I envisage some issues with the hoses kinking on my kit due to not having the 90 deg elbows with the stage 2+ kit.
Do you know what size the hose clamps are as these are also not supplied..?
Lastly; I understand there is a check valve that should be removed (comes from the turbo or something) ?
thanks,
Z
iirc RR has now switched to the Forge catch can... :smiley:
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Red,
Did you ever get the SS hoses for your can...?
I would be interested to know how you got on with this, as I envisage some issues with the hoses kinking on my kit due to not having the 90 deg elbows with the stage 2+ kit.
Do you know what size the hose clamps are as these are also not supplied..?
Lastly; I understand there is a check valve that should be removed (comes from the turbo or something) ?
thanks,
Z
iirc RR has now switched to the Forge catch can... :smiley:
....Indeed I have :smiley:. My review is almost complete and there was an improvement I brought to Forge's attention which is now incorporated in their latest version. I'll be posting the review after GTI International when the new component is installed and photographed.
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Looking forward to seeing that review Robin :happy2: