MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: jcp on November 23, 2009, 08:53:00 pm
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Going to get these fitted on my Leon Fr- replacing 312 iron Mkv gti kit.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g284/mechanicalrepairs/vwbrakes001.jpg
The set i have made up may interest some of you on here, these are a big brake kit for the mk5 golf/seat leon, these are 335mm brake rotors, bells, brackets, pads, calipers and braided brake lines, basically everything you need to fit these to your car. All the brackets and the bells (centre of the disc) have been clear anodised so will not corrode and look horrid behind your wheels.
If fitting is a problem then please state and i can fit these for you at my garage in Leicester.
Selling these for £995 and will fit the kit for an extra £50 with fresh brake fluid being flushed through your brake system.
I quote from the guy who is supplying me and will post a full review and project report.
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im liking the look of them. very very well priced as well.
look forward to the pics and review
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He has done the development on a MkvTdi 170- as my car is 100 miles away- here is them fitted under 17"s.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g284/mechanicalrepairs/vwbrakes002.jpg
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is he running spacers with those?
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No- the bells are machined to give the same effect as a small spacer- specifically for my set up- the wheels shown are Golf fitment and fit too.
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No- the bells are machined to give the same effect as a small spacer- specifically for my set up- the wheels shown are Golf fitment and fit too.
so in effect the bell is X mm thicker to get the necessary caliper clearance. If that is the case you will need longer wheel bolts and lockers. Tthere is not much spare length on a standard bolt.
Hope you machine the TVR off.....................
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Nice looking kit... are the rotors by compbrake?/Powervane?/Replacement Cost?
I Think Reyland had a load of these calipers for sale after they finished prepping the TVR Cup cars, got offered a boxful but wasn't to keen on the TVR logo
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Slightly perversely I am keeping the Trevor logo partly so those who look closely will wonder and partly as a tribute to a now gone fragment of british sports motoring history- my supplier will machine them off for more normal punters who dont share my sense of delight in the oddball. No extra cost-I am having them in red without the logo picked out so, judge for yourself when I post the pix!
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No- the bells are machined to give the same effect as a small spacer- specifically for my set up- the wheels shown are Golf fitment and fit too.
so in effect the bell is X mm thicker to get the necessary caliper clearance. If that is the case you will need longer wheel bolts and lockers. Tthere is not much spare length on a standard bolt.
Hope you machine the TVR off.....................
Good point!
The bells are 7mm thicker and the kit includes the longer bolts-all in the price!
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Cheap pair of DS2500's for you.... I think 218's go in that caliper of yours
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Missed them- but they were a steal! :happy2:
-Any thoughts on DS 2500s for the rears on a Leon Fr rear o/e calipers?
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when are you getting them fitted, want to see the pics when its all done and on the car. :happy2:
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These sound great :popcornsoda:
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Looks a pretty good bit of kit.
Are the dics floating, or just straight bolted through? What's the offset increase?
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I'm having them fitted on Saturday and will post with Weights and pics- I think they are just bolted , not floating, and I don't know the offset but will measure if someone tells me how!
These are intended as proper big brakes for the same price as a heavy OEM transplant-under £1k for a serious quality upgrade-:fingerscrossedsmiley:
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They are on and they are as good as I hoped- although after only 90 miles they are still a little green to assess their ultimate performance- so far they are squeal free, smooth and very positive. I am looking forward to a dry road test but they are clearly more powerful than standard FR/Gti brakes already. They look good as well. The saving in weight-unsprung weight is clear too. The calipers save around 3kg per side and the o/e discs are heavier -by a fair bit- than their two piece alloy bell and steel rotor replacements. 335s for less weight than 312s!! All the alloy bits are anodised against corrosion and the bleed nipples and fixings are stainless. All for £1025 fitted including longer wheel bolts and braided lines!!
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Look good.
Can the carrier be reversed? It would then allow the possible fit of an R32 Splashguard. enjoy them!
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I don't think the carriers can be reversed so the splashguards are not an easy fit-I'm not sure that matters.
The AP quoted caliperweight is 2.8kg. Standard Fr calipers- with pads are 6.6kg and standard discs are 8.6kg Total weight saving is at least 4.6kgs per side- and the braking is immense after only 100 miles and without having tried maximum effort stopping -so far on damp roads and without full on effort they are clearly better than O/E
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Looking good, very powerful. Are the carriers helicoiled? They would need to be as the acid process in the anodising will take the tops of the threads inside.
Unless you used 7075 - in which case :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Looking good, very powerful. Are the carriers helicoiled? They would need to be as the acid process in the anodising will take the tops of the threads inside.
Unless you used 7075 - in which case :notworthy: :notworthy:
You are far above my head Dave! I will forward your comment to the maker/supplier but the carrier to hub bolts are the originals and I don't know the grade of stainless for the carrier to caliper bolts. What do you reckon the solution may be and how much of a problem may arise?
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I asked and was told 7075!
They are well bedded in now and I am slowly re-calbrating my braking points for familiar roundabouts!! :jumping: It is easy to end up ready to turn and 40 yards short-they are utterly benign in slow traffic too. :grin:
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Bloody Ell! 7075 would be at least £200 for those carriers! Good Deal well done
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Bloody Ell! 7075 would be at least £200 for those carriers! Good Deal well done
So if i was about to change my bike calipers from normal to radial, i should get adaptors made from 7075 al??? :drinking:
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No always use steel for a number of reasons
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Seriously tempted with these. Especially as I will be up your way in a few weeks time.
Any further thoughts or updates since fitting? Any track time on them yet? What type of pads come with them?
what is the lead time on ordering?
thanks
Ed
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AP Racing now offer their own range of pads for their brake kits. :happy2:
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Also anyone else had these fitted? Any comments?
thanks
ed
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Track time???- - in fact precious little dry and unfrozen time- I have had no problems with these and so I can tell you they work very well in ordinary use and are sensitive enough not to have made ice driving any more difficult than it has to be. Eagle F1s are not first choice for extreme winter conditions. As far as I know my supplier made two sets for Leon/Mkv fitment and has one left. His specialist line is the Peugeot 306 Gti 6 and Rallye- although his garage does lots of other and general work.
Edcase, my way is St Albans- my supplier is in Leicester-where are you?
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South London, so will be passing you to get Nottingham :)
So to clarify, you can get the TVR completely machined off and repainted in red?
also do they increase the offset any further? I'm running VZ033 which already has an increased offset over standard - I wouldn't want the wheels sticking out any further than they are already.
thanks
ed
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The bells add 7mm offset -I'm not sure Iknow what VZ033 is or are-sorry if I should! You can have the caliper machined flat if you want and your choice of colour.
John
Edit:Just searched BBS wheels!
It may be that the 7mm offset was needed for my 17"s to clear -I suspect the bells could be machined to suit if that is the case.
You would need to talk to the guy direct.
JP
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Hmmm okay - could you possibly just ask for me since you are working with the guy? :notworthy: Probably less effort for both of us than you doing an introduction etc. if you just tell him they are 18inch BBS VZ033 with ET44 offset, and that I don't want to further increase the offset, and see what he says/can do?
if we can solve that problem I will almost certainly take them. :happy2:
cheers
ed
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Ed,
I don't work with him -he has done work for me on my old 306 cabrio and got his engineer to make a fitting kit for my Leon Fr -his original set up was for the 306 Gti6. I will message him and let him take it from there.
John
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Ah okay, thanks!
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Hi, my name is Carl Grimsley and i am the designer of the kit that has been done for Jcphat, regards your car and this brake setup, anything is possible but before the kit is alterred in anyway i will need to see the car so i can measure everything up for you.
Are y0u able to pop over, will need to have the car for about an hour and in that time i will mock up the kit to your car and see what will need to be done regards removal of material from the ally bell.
I am based in Leicester LE1 area code so more or less in the centre, you can contact me through my website if you wish at www.cgcarsleicester.co.uk i specialise in French cars but have plenty of experience with vw/audi and most makes, worked for Vw for 5 years previousley and help out with friends old school motors.
Cheeky picture of a friends rebuilt golf -
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Hope to speak to you soon, thanks, Carl
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i have the same interior in my mini :laugh:
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i have the same interior in my mini :laugh:
:happy2: Thats where half of this car came from, the binnacle is all lcd though so some subtle changes.
Carl
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Bit of a thread revival but wondered whether edcase followed this up?