Post by: Georrge on February 26, 2015, 10:35:34 am
I've been looking into changing my headlights to projectors for some time now, and came across various threads along my way. It's left me with a few questions to ask.
First of all, what are projector headlights? How do they differ from normal halogen headlights? :ashamed:
Secondly, are the Depo headlights actual projectors, so having a HID kit in them is safe and legal?
Thirdly, am I right in thinking that in order to have genuine VW Bi-Xenon Projectors legally, you need headlight washers? Why is this the case, and not for the Depo's?
Finally, what is the difference between genuine projectors and the Depo ones, and the Depo ones and Hella ones?
Thank you! :laugh:
Post by: RetroRaz on February 26, 2015, 10:45:21 am
Hi guys,
I've been looking into changing my headlights to projectors for some time now, and came across various threads along my way. It's left me with a few questions to ask.
First of all, what are projector headlights? How do they differ from normal halogen headlights? :ashamed:
Secondly, are the Depo headlights actual projectors, so having a HID kit in them is safe and legal?
Thirdly, am I right in thinking that in order to have genuine VW Bi-Xenon Projectors legally, you need headlight washers? Why is this the case, and not for the Depo's?
Finally, what is the difference between genuine projectors and the Depo ones, and the Depo ones and Hella ones?
Thank you! :laugh:
Hi Mate
1.Projector headlights project the light beam whereas reflector headlights reflect the beam (i think)
2. Depo ones are projectors, Yes using a HID kit in them is legal
3. Not sure, A few people have retrofit them but not done washers and had no issues
4. Genuine projectors have shutters so when you flash to pass, the shutter opens fully which is also used for full beam. (Providing you have a highline CECM and run a wire from the lights to the CECM) also the genuine ones are self leveling (If you have the sensors fitted) and the Depo ones are manually levelling using the headlight scrolling adjuster
Post by: tom89 on February 26, 2015, 11:06:53 am
"Genuine Projectors" would have to be OEM Xenon lights, need an adaptor to connect them the MKV GTI fitted with halogen reflector lights along with ballasts etc.
"Hella Projectors" (I have them in mine) are deemed to be OEM? That's what mine were advertised as by the seller in Germany. They must have been standard equipment on a particular MKV variant. These have Halogen bulbs fitted in the housing which then shines through a projector lens, the look identical to OEM Xenon lights from outside. An aftermarket Xenon/HID kit is able to be fitted to these lights.
The "Depo" ones are very much the same as the Hella type I believe but are just not OEM quality.
The washers don't need to be fitted for the lights to work but it may not be legal? It is technically illegal here in Australia but I've never heard of someone getting picked up for it.
Post by: Georrge on February 26, 2015, 12:42:58 pm
Now the question is whether to get the Depo or the Hella lights? I've struggled to source the Hella ones.. but have found the Depo ones for £199!
Also, what HID kit is best suited? 6000K? Want s nice white light, but nothing blue :smiley:
Post by: Broomy on February 26, 2015, 12:54:00 pm
Post by: TomGTI on February 26, 2015, 12:57:49 pm
Post by: D_Philli_82 on February 26, 2015, 01:02:22 pm
Post by: Georrge on February 26, 2015, 01:25:37 pm
Does anyone know where currently sell the Hella projectors? They're literally impossible to come across :signLOL:
Post by: kr15h_ED30 on February 26, 2015, 01:31:21 pm
Post by: RetroRaz on February 26, 2015, 01:37:26 pm
Post by: D_Philli_82 on February 26, 2015, 02:20:50 pm
it should be set to Xenons without shutter installed. Theres something to do with a grounding issue with the wiper motor linking to the headlight
Correct
Post by: Georrge on February 26, 2015, 02:26:52 pm
Post by: RetroRaz on February 26, 2015, 02:48:41 pm
Anyone know where to get the Hella projectors from?
there are some here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-VW-Golf-5-R32-Xenon-LED-Headlights-Headlamps-O-S-N-S-UK-RHD-/201291616621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&fits=Model%3AGolf%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+V&hash=item2eddea516d
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-HELLA-GOLF-MK5-V-XENON-LOOK-HEADLIGHTS-RHD-UK-WITH-50W-BALLASTS-/191518422420?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c97633594
Post by: Georrge on February 26, 2015, 03:07:35 pm
I have no idea what those first ones are, they're so ugly :signLOL:Anyone know where to get the Hella projectors from?
there are some here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-VW-Golf-5-R32-Xenon-LED-Headlights-Headlamps-O-S-N-S-UK-RHD-/201291616621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&fits=Model%3AGolf%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+V&hash=item2eddea516d
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-HELLA-GOLF-MK5-V-XENON-LOOK-HEADLIGHTS-RHD-UK-WITH-50W-BALLASTS-/191518422420?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c97633594
£399 for Hella's is extremely overpriced :confused:
Post by: Georrge on February 26, 2015, 03:12:24 pm
Post by: Sixteen on February 26, 2015, 03:38:16 pm
The guy on this post http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,65744.0.html got them for 342 euros which is £250 :confused:
I've looked into the Hella ones and they are sold out everywhere.
Have spoken to Hella themselves and they've told me there is no available stock and one side is now discontinued.
The tuning fanatics shop on ebay don't have any, so unless someone is keeping stock, 2nd hand ones are the only way?
This is why im thinking of getting the Depo ones as long as they function ok, and the quality is good.
Post by: Georrge on February 26, 2015, 03:43:22 pm
Ah that's annoying! Looks like I'll be getting Depo ones then, should be good enough!The guy on this post http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,65744.0.html got them for 342 euros which is £250 :confused:
I've looked into the Hella ones and they are sold out everywhere.
Have spoken to Hella themselves and they've told me there is no available stock and one side is now discontinued.
The tuning fanatics shop on ebay don't have any, so unless someone is keeping stock, 2nd hand ones are the only way?
This is why im thinking of getting the Depo ones as long as they function ok, and the quality is good.
Post by: RetroRaz on February 26, 2015, 03:52:54 pm
Post by: Georrge on February 26, 2015, 03:55:35 pm
Post by: Georrge on February 27, 2015, 12:44:24 pm
Can somebody recommend a good HID kit? I'm looking on HID's Direct at the moment, do I need 35W or 55W?
Thanks :happy2:
Post by: akbarirfan on March 03, 2015, 12:32:55 pm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/H7-55-Watt-Smart-Canbus-HID-Xenon-Conversion-Kit-3-4-3k-5-6-8-10-K-SEAT-/221131893476?
I went for 6000K as I noticed with 55W the 5000K starts to look yellow like 4300K (based on a kit I had in the past, although that could have just been a poor quality kit). Mine come out a nice clean white.
Cheers
Post by: Georrge on March 03, 2015, 07:11:04 pm
I'm looking forward to the new set up, never had HIDs before! :laugh:
Post by: akbarirfan on March 04, 2015, 10:15:08 am
Post by: bartholomewdj on March 07, 2015, 09:10:42 pm
Post by: Georrge on March 08, 2015, 02:08:57 am
All the best - you will enjoy it mate, the light output is so much better than halogens, just make sure you get them aligned :happy2:Yeah a few people on here have said the difference in light output is amazing! I'll be going to the MOT center in the afternoon don't worry :laugh:
Looking to do the same mod, can you let me know how you got on fitting them etc. Bit worried about 6 o'clock mod and any coding required :/I'm fitting them tomorrow so I'll update then! Apparently the 6 o'clock mod is no big deal, and the coding is minimal, it's just setting it to xenons without shutters to prevent flickering and the wiper motor burning out :happy2:
Post by: Georrge on March 08, 2015, 04:53:38 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs4.postimg.org%2F3t0k7e3rd%2FIMG_0021.jpg&hash=06c8fc371fb7af578735fcdb402ca7f5592931f3) (http://postimg.org/image/3t0k7e3rd/)
I have some condensation in one of them though and it's been about 5 hours, although I did wash the car.. is this normal?
Also, I read that with HID kits, you shouldn't start the car up with your lights on? It can fry the ballast or something? Can anyone shed any light on this?
My lgihts come on automatically when I unlock the car, so would mean having to manually switch them off, starting the car up, then turning them to auto again :signLOL:
Post by: Wash on March 08, 2015, 04:56:27 pm
Post by: Georrge on March 08, 2015, 06:00:49 pm
Post by: samiul11 on March 09, 2015, 12:59:21 pm
Fitted them today, they look way better!I've got the depo with a 35W HID kit and in the beginning it used to drain my battery. But turned the coming home and leaving lights off and ive had no problems since :grin:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs4.postimg.org%2F3t0k7e3rd%2FIMG_0021.jpg&hash=06c8fc371fb7af578735fcdb402ca7f5592931f3) (http://postimg.org/image/3t0k7e3rd/)
I have some condensation in one of them though and it's been about 5 hours, although I did wash the car.. is this normal?
Also, I read that with HID kits, you shouldn't start the car up with your lights on? It can fry the ballast or something? Can anyone shed any light on this?
My lgihts come on automatically when I unlock the car, so would mean having to manually switch them off, starting the car up, then turning them to auto again :signLOL:
Post by: Georrge on March 09, 2015, 03:28:40 pm
Post by: bartholomewdj on March 11, 2015, 10:47:18 pm
What was the actual process of the 6 o clock mod?
Also, is it critical to get them coded?
I'm new to this forum and have no access to the software, so don't see an easy solution.
Cheers
Post by: Georrge on March 12, 2015, 04:23:34 pm
They will still work without being coded, however I think not having them coded can lead to your wiper motor burning out for some reason!
If you make a post on here, you will be able to find someone near you with a cable and they will sort it out for a small fee :smiley:
The light output is insane though, really worth doing!
Post by: bartholomewdj on March 12, 2015, 07:22:01 pm
If I was to get the car coded for xenons before I installed them would that cause any issues?
Really having trouble finding someone in London with VCDS who can help me.
Post by: Georrge on March 12, 2015, 07:38:50 pm
I honestly have no idea, I would avoid it if possible though. Have you posted on here asking? Also if you use Instagram, search Grizzatrading and get an add posted on there, you will find someone within 30 mins guaranteed :happy2:
Post by: D_Philli_82 on March 12, 2015, 08:09:32 pm
1. Cheap dremmel off eBay - £10 - make sure it includes cutting discs
2. Use a pen/pencil/marker and mark lines to the opposite side to the tab side of the bulb holder. Mark the lines so you can cut a tab similar to the other side.
3. Use the dremmel to cut your markings..take some care here....the dremmels can cut through very easily..don't drop the bulb (obviously :smiley:)
4. Put the bulb back into the projector upside down
DONE..! 5 minutes :happy2:
Post by: Georrge on March 12, 2015, 08:22:09 pm
If so, fancy doing mine for me if I send you my bulbs and pay you £15? :signLOL:
Post by: bartholomewdj on March 12, 2015, 10:48:09 pm
Post by: akbarirfan on March 13, 2015, 09:53:43 am
Post by: Dan648v on March 13, 2015, 10:00:36 am
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk57%2Fbigd_87%2Fimage.jpg1_zpscvzj5frl.jpg&hash=409cc4a7d2564b093a48cee0143c569475afed90)
Easy peasy! :happy2:
Post by: Georrge on March 13, 2015, 04:14:54 pm
Cheers Dan, useful picture! Question is.. how does this work with bulbs that have metal holders and not plastic?!
Post by: akbarirfan on March 13, 2015, 04:38:01 pm
Post by: Georrge on March 13, 2015, 04:47:03 pm
It would be great if the bulb holders came double sided out the factory haha
Post by: Dan648v on March 13, 2015, 05:15:44 pm
Post by: D_Philli_82 on March 13, 2015, 08:07:44 pm
Cheers for that Philli, so the headlights stay on the car, it's just the bulb that needs to be removed and altered?
If so, fancy doing mine for me if I send you my bulbs and pay you £15? :signLOL:
Ha...as tempting as this is I think you should do it.. it's that easy and you get the satisfaction of putting in the (not so) hard work!! :laugh:
If ur local to Reading I'd do it.. Saves faffing with posting..buy a dremmel..you'll always need one...i need to use mine to do a tiny touch up on my alloys..lol
Post by: Georrge on March 13, 2015, 08:13:28 pm
Thanks a lot, apprecoated!
Another thing regarding the lights, I read that starting the ignition with your lights on is bad for the ballasts, is this true? I have coming/leaving home lights so when it's dark, my lights are on before I start the car. Starting the car up causes them to go much brighter for a second, I guess a spike in power?
Cheers
Post by: RetroRaz on May 03, 2015, 01:05:47 pm
Post by: Georrge on May 03, 2015, 10:14:03 pm
Anyone else having issues finding a set at the moment?I got mine from this seller on eBay, great service. One of them arrived with a very slight fault, they instantly sent me a new unit! Item number: 301204859556
Post by: RetroRaz on May 03, 2015, 10:25:32 pm
Anyone else having issues finding a set at the moment?I got mine from this seller on eBay, great service. One of them arrived with a very slight fault, they instantly sent me a new unit! Item number: 301204859556
Says 0 available however they have another set available with a different picture. It says depo as the manufacturer but another seller on ebay also uses the same picture but they are advertising it as the manufacturer to be TYC.
Last thing I want is them to send it and its not depo manufactured
Post by: RetroRaz on May 05, 2015, 11:54:54 am
Post by: Lyons on December 26, 2015, 10:01:58 am
I'm looking at a few sets on eBay and all are in Europe. Does anything need done to allow them to be used in right hand drive cars?
This 6 o'clock mod that's been mentioned before, is it just if HID bulbs are being fitted? I'm only planning on fitting standard bulbs. Will they still need coded as xenons without shutter, or again is that just for HID's?
Post by: RetroRaz on December 26, 2015, 10:03:54 am
Ebay item number
361388585053
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Post by: Lyons on December 26, 2015, 10:13:08 am
Post by: mo on December 30, 2015, 10:13:55 am
Another thing regarding the lights, I read that starting the ignition with your lights on is bad for the ballasts, is this true? I have coming/leaving home lights so when it's dark, my lights are on before I start the car. Starting the car up causes them to go much brighter for a second, I guess a spike in power?I also had to turn off my leaving/coming home lights as the startup spike was draining my battery.
Cheers
Post by: r5gtt on December 30, 2015, 12:47:16 pm
Post by: RetroRaz on December 30, 2015, 03:27:51 pm
I fitted my depo xenon lights in and haven't had to program anything. :confused: no shutters as I'm sure depo lights don't have the shutter function?.They will work without coding but you should tick the box xenons without shutters to avoid the wiper motor from blowing
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Post by: r5gtt on December 30, 2015, 03:36:32 pm
Crappers, I'll do that even though I've been using the lights for a month now.I fitted my depo xenon lights in and haven't had to program anything. :confused: no shutters as I'm sure depo lights don't have the shutter function?.They will work without coding but you should tick the box xenons without shutters to avoid the wiper motor from blowing
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Post by: Andy on January 25, 2016, 02:08:54 am
Post by: bad devotions on May 23, 2016, 10:09:25 am
Can i ask where you guys got the bulbs for the depos? any links or product numbers/names would be really useful. I just ordered a set of the depo projectors to go on my MK5 :D
thanks
Post by: RetroRaz on May 23, 2016, 11:53:15 am
Hi all - sorry to dig up an old thread.
Can i ask where you guys got the bulbs for the depos? any links or product numbers/names would be really useful. I just ordered a set of the depo projectors to go on my MK5 :D
thanks
http://www.hids-direct.co.uk/ultra-35w-slim-hid-xenon-conversion-kit-h1-h3-h4-h7-h8-h9-h11-9005-9006/
Post by: bad devotions on May 23, 2016, 12:36:53 pm
Post by: bad devotions on May 26, 2016, 05:51:03 pm
I was somewhat taken aback by the amount of wires but it all looks pretty straightforward.
A couple of questions though...
1. the wires that come from the Depo are yellow and black. The wires that go from the HID kit to the Depo are red and black. I am assuming that black goes to black and yellow goes to red. Can anyone confirm? (and yes i did RTFM :D)
2. where does the ballast live? looks like there is a similar shaped space/hole under the light unit. I'd need to hack some bits to make the kit fit exactly, but should i mount the ballast there?
any help would be massively appreciated!
thanks
Post by: r5gtt on May 26, 2016, 06:11:39 pm
holes will be required in the covers approx 22mm
Yes red to yellow and black to black. You can situate the ballasts under there as I did mine the same way but if one or both fail it's off with the bumper and headlight out as I had done. buy cheap maybe get lucky or unlucky in my case :signLOL:
Post by: bad devotions on May 28, 2016, 12:23:20 pm
Post by: r5gtt on May 28, 2016, 01:34:33 pm
Do you mean the running lights when car lights are on?.
If yes you need to go into vagcom central electric 09 and then into long coding and select one of the bytes can't remember which one. Daytime running lights and set that to what ever percentage you want. I went for 40% lights out put and then press enter on laptop and you'll see that it's selected in the box next to where you typed 40% or your spec. Then X out of it and it should come up another Bix thay says do it click on it and thy will be done :signLOL:
Post by: bad devotions on May 28, 2016, 02:24:15 pm
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Post by: RetroRaz on May 29, 2016, 09:05:34 am
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Post by: bad devotions on May 29, 2016, 02:42:16 pm
Can't see squat in there!
Post by: r5gtt on May 29, 2016, 03:07:29 pm
Try use your phone camera reversed if you can or a piece of mirror so you can see where the bulb is situated then try blind as I did. When I had to replace the led bulbs for normal ones but still have a dash bulb out error for the fronts and now rears as I have the double brake mod done.
Post by: bad devotions on May 29, 2016, 07:30:51 pm
I just moved a black bottle thing out the way then used the wonky pliers. Easy peasy!
Post by: r5gtt on May 29, 2016, 07:48:46 pm
Post by: akbarirfan on June 07, 2016, 10:30:31 am
Post by: bad devotions on June 07, 2016, 10:49:31 am
However, something like this will do...
http://www.halfords.com/workshop-tools/tools/hand-tools/facom-195-20cpe-angled-nose-plier-195mm-6-1-2in
seriously, it's a 30 second job at the most :)
Post by: akbarirfan on June 08, 2016, 04:55:43 pm
Post by: Vithu06 on June 11, 2016, 04:26:28 am
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Post by: Vithu06 on June 11, 2016, 05:35:22 pm
Post by: r5gtt on June 11, 2016, 05:47:53 pm
The low dipped beam doesn't work and i've got a light on the dashHave you posted before. You've obviously tried new bulbs or did a swop of the bulbs?. Checked fuse?.
Post by: bad devotions on June 12, 2016, 08:51:54 am
The low dipped beam doesn't work and i've got a light on the dash
Are you using a hid kit or the old bulbs?
Post by: akbarirfan on June 12, 2016, 11:34:25 pm
Post by: r5gtt on June 12, 2016, 11:59:41 pm
Only thing coding in is shutters off as these are not factory xenons or you'll blow your wiper motor.
Post by: bad devotions on June 13, 2016, 04:42:12 pm
You don't need to code then in.
Only thing coding in is shutters off as these are not factory xenons or you'll blow your wiper motor.
which i still haven't done yet! :ashamed:
Post by: r5gtt on June 13, 2016, 07:56:19 pm
I'd get it done ad you dot want to fork out more money for a replacement motor too. :happy2:You don't need to code then in.
Only thing coding in is shutters off as these are not factory xenons or you'll blow your wiper motor.
which i still haven't done yet! :ashamed:
Post by: bad devotions on June 13, 2016, 07:57:11 pm
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Deffo mate. Just need a lead (more money)!Doesn't have to be a genuine one as not all of us can afford it.
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Post by: r5gtt on November 28, 2016, 08:48:08 pm
Anyone have a part number for the depo projector headlights as I'm trying to get hold of a single unit but need a pn for it.
thanks
Post by: Adam0604 on January 15, 2018, 12:24:45 am
Post by: r5gtt on January 15, 2018, 01:53:05 am
This company sells them as I've had a set off them
Sorry if this isn't allowed on here Admins :scared:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/dm-ersatzteile?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2754
Post by: RetroRaz on January 15, 2018, 07:08:46 am
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Post by: Adam0604 on January 15, 2018, 10:20:33 pm
Energised customs on ebay or eurowagens. I know eurowagens had some recently but sold out very quickly
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Eurowagens is a customer of the Company I work for lol. Might slide in real quick to see what they can offer me haha.
Cheers both!
Post by: kiltedcamel on February 08, 2018, 10:33:18 pm
New poster but have been visiting for months!
I have recently just installed depo projectors and 5000k 35w HID kit. Not too happy with beam pattern but will do 6 o'clock mod to see if that helps.
My main question is regarding to how I adjust the main beam, they are too low (lower than dipped beam!).
The dipped beam has 2 points to adjust them, but I cant see any for the main beams, anyone know how to do it?
Thanks!
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Post by: 4ndy on February 11, 2018, 07:48:01 pm
Ditch the hid kit and get led H7 bulbs. So much better and no need to worry about ballasts failing.What's the beam pattern/spread like with these
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Post by: RetroRaz on February 11, 2018, 08:13:52 pm
Post by: Mk44mo on April 22, 2018, 10:54:29 am
LED on left, HID on right
Hi, I’m about to purchase some used Depo projectors to fit on my Jetta with factory halogens. I’ve decided on LED H7’s instead of HID’s to avoid the extra hassle of ballast failure, placement, coding and 6 o’clock mod etc
Any chance you could tell me with LED bulbs these are and where I can get them? Also, how long have you had them and would you recommend them? Any issues?
Thanks in advance
Post by: absolute on January 16, 2019, 10:47:03 pm
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Post by: GTION on April 23, 2019, 10:56:05 am
Links appreciated
Post by: OllieL on April 24, 2019, 08:02:35 am
Wondering where people are buying their Depo's from?Me too, especially if you can run “normal” bulbs not HIDs
Links appreciated
Ollie
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Post by: akbarirfan on February 29, 2020, 12:19:18 pm
It's too tight on the driver's side.
Still need canbus friendly led sidelight bulbs that fit in the socket, any recommendations?