MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: countryboy74 on March 09, 2015, 04:21:06 pm
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hi first time post on here but been lurking a while , having read through loads of posts on here i'm 99% i have the dreaded cam chain rattle , i thought i better get it sorted asap , so during my day off today i had a quick phone around to get some prices , i can't even get those !, i called a couple of respected VAG specialists and both said we don't have the tooling for doing the job and its main dealer job , i was shocked as two of them i called specialize in tuning /engine transplants etc, but then came the crunch time i phoned the main stealer in Telford only to be told in was around 1100pounds to do it , so i was hoping someone on here may know any good companies in and around Telford/Wolverhampton area , it's a 2006 gti
any advice very gratefully recieved,
P.S the one company i called couldn't do the job but they did the timing chains on the ex's s4 v8 !!!
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try Midland Vw, I get most my work done there or Aks tuning. Aks is in Bedford tho.
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Hi and thanks for the reply , they were one of the first I tried having used them in the past and they were one of the only ones who would tackle the huge job of the timing chains on the s4 (engine out) , but to my surprise they said they couldn't do it , same with auto precision , quite shocked that highly regarded specialists can't tackle what seems to be a pretty common fault , and from my semi mechanical knowledge doesn't look to hard with the right tools
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Try Ant at AP Automotive in Telford. I highly recommend him. I travel from Mid Wales for him to work on mine.
01952 794024
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Stealth Racing in Southam.
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I spoke to midland vw in January about this, same car 2006 gti and they said they were able to do it
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Whats symptoms of chain rattle? More common on certain year of car/engine
Is it a constant noise or just on start up or when hot or cold etc?
Hard to tell really as these Tfsi engines are a bit tappy at time anyway from my experience!
Thanks in advance
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Thanks for the replies , yes someone I know said Midland had done one for someone they knew so a little confusing.
The symptoms are when the car warms up , the odd thing is it appears louder inside the car , but when I ckeck under the bonnet the rattling is coming from the right hand side (looking from the front of the car) the cam follower , has been replaced but the rattling continues , it's only noticeable between tickover and about 2000rpm ,
There seems no loss in performance, although at the moment I'm driving it gently everywhere , there is no rattle at all on start up but once it's warm it seems constant.
Love the car apart from that (apart from the stereo lol ) it drives spot on
It's on 110k with full history and a bwa lump
Regards
Gary
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Midland vw can do it no probs at all..
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I have the tools if anyone wants to borrow them. Lent them to another member the other weeks who's mechanic did not have them.
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That was me, and thanks again @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
It's not a big job to do in all honesty having watched my mechanic do it on mine.
Any competent garage with the right tools should be able to do it.
Around £550 in parts (including cam adjuster) then labour on top.
Takes around 4 hours.
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So possibly a £800 bill on something your not even convinced needs changing!
Cam chain failure seems very rare on these engines
Id sell the thing before spending that sort of money on something thats possibly not even broken!
You are aware these engines do make a few funny noises and have even been mistaken for a diesel in the past aren't you :laugh: :happy2:
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You may be lucky and just changing the chain and tensioner sorts it.
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Im' glad I changed mine.
The chain was stretched and there was visible wear on the tensioner - as for he adjuster its harder to say whether or not that needed changing, but while it was all open, it got changed out anyway.
So now, no more diesel GTi for me! :driver:
Suppose where you take it, but mine didn't cost me any where near £800
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I would normally tackle the job myself as a fairly competent home mechanic , plenty of engine rebuilds and conversions into mk1 and mk2 golfs but I just don't get the time with work commitments, I've reached the conclusion really by reading comments on here but getting it checked out next week , the garage in question has done a few so hopefully they'll be pretty well qualified to pinpoint the noise exactly, and as a bonus I had a warranty pack arrive today , I didn't realise the car had one and that job is covered .......happy days
Thanks for the pointers though guys
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Nice one, you won't regret getting it done.
I know some say it doesn't need doing as it's just noise, but when my old parts came out I was so happy I decided to get it done.
Nice and smooth and quiet now.
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Yes looking forward to getting it sorted as the car is spot on apart from that and its embarrassing trying to hold the revs up when I have passengers in just so it doesn't sound like a diesel , just need to address a very slight creaking on the steering , just being picky as nobody else has noticed it lol
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haha, I know what you mean - I used to hate been sat at traffic lights with passengers in the car and all you could hear was the "diesel" sounding engine - now no more
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does anyone have a full parts breakdown of what needs changing exactly? I'm looking at doing all this when I do my cambelt, cheers
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chain - part no. 06D109229B
tensioner - part no. 06F109217A
gasket - part no. 06D103121B
seal - part no. 06E127248
gasket - part no. 06F103483D
Adjuster Bolt - part no. 06D109281D
06F109088J adjustor
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thanks Andy :happy2: so this is everything that would need changing right down to the T ? apart from the cambelt side of course.
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This is everything that I ordered and needed them all to sort the chain noise
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that's great, thanks for this, im going to be tackling this job along with cambelt at same time and then work my way towards oil pick up pipe etc... I should then be nearly ready for a remap knowing all the big jobs are done.
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I have the tools if anyone wants to borrow them. Lent them to another member the other weeks who's mechanic did not have them.
hi Dazza, what tools are needed for this job? I don't mean normal sockets and stuff but do you need some VW only tools or some special tools not many people have or something? thanks.
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You will need T40080 for the cam adjustor bolt.
And T10252 cam locking tool.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.etoolpros.com%2FMerchant5%2Fgraphics%2F00000001%2Fasm-vw5220.gif&hash=3101996f1229f2f0705b8e144ab55dc4bdbd3a1d)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fct_006.jpg&hash=8bdd09cf4e2dbc0fd312270e590094a8a3a185c7)
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great, Thanks very much Dazza.. I will invest in these two :happy2:
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great, Thanks very much Dazza.. I will invest in these two :happy2:
@muff1991 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9978) You can borrow them if you want. £50 deposit and u cover the shipping.
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Thanks Dazza, are you sure? I won't need them right now but I will most likely take you up on that offer, thanks!!
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Yes mate glad to get some use out of them and help out fellow members.
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Yes mate glad to get some use out of them and help out fellow members.
@dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457) = Top Man... thank you :happy2:
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Just seen this on ebay which may be of some use to people
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-VW-Golf-Passat-Audi-A4-Quattro-BPY-Cam-Camshaft-Adjuster-Genuine-06F109088J-/360897512991?hash=item54072b061f:g:sakAAOSw~OdVbV1T
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So what's the way to tell the difference between the chain needing to be done and the engine just sounding crap. Mine sounds a tad diesely but is very tappety when you open the bonnet. However inside the car I wouldn't say it was noticable at all, also its the same whether its cold/ warm/ hot etc.