Post by: rashg60 on April 13, 2015, 07:30:32 pm
However, since joining this Forum, I am reconsidering 10 years of non-modding days with a simplistic Stage 1 remap from R-Tech. The car is currently in standard format: MK5 Golf GTi manual. There is not a single mod on the car and I actually wanted to keep it that way.
But the swaying powers of this forum are becoming too heavy......help!
Post by: AJP on April 14, 2015, 08:45:14 pm
If you just stay with a map you shouldn't need to upgrade any hardware so you won't have to faff about unbolting bolt-ons!
Oh, and decide fast, especially if you're going with R-Tech... it seems they have quite a waiting list.
Post by: rashg60 on April 14, 2015, 09:16:26 pm
Has anyone experienced this?
Post by: beetie on April 14, 2015, 09:22:56 pm
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on April 15, 2015, 04:51:36 pm
Not with the r tech map. Disconnect the battery as much as you like
^thats correct.
Only with Revo does disconnecting the battery upset the map :happy2:
I had my old GTI flashed back to stock by Niki when I sold it
Post by: rashg60 on April 15, 2015, 08:40:18 pm
Post by: AJP on April 15, 2015, 10:00:35 pm
Post by: rashg60 on May 08, 2015, 02:34:30 pm
I'm hoping I am completely happy with it and there will be no need to go any further with any other mods/power increases.....although I am already thinking about a complete exhaust system but will only get this once the current one breaks.
Post by: Jknight89 on May 08, 2015, 07:07:15 pm
Post by: rashg60 on May 11, 2015, 10:08:57 am
I'd feel more comfortable putting it back to stock when deciding to sell on.
Post by: rashg60 on June 10, 2015, 02:43:57 pm
It'd be interesting to see what the power output is pre-map - I'd guess at 205-208bhp, as it feels a lot more responsive after fitting the air filter and using V-Power.
Hopefully post map I'd expect it to exceed 250bhp.
Post by: patpong_pete on June 10, 2015, 11:34:32 pm
So I'm going in for the Stage 1 remap on Friday (2 days to go) and the only mod on the car is a K&N panel air filter and running on Shell V-Power petroleum.
It'd be interesting to see what the power output is pre-map - I'd guess at 205-208bhp, as it feels a lot more responsive after fitting the air filter and using V-Power.
Hopefully post map I'd expect it to exceed 250bhp.
good luck friday
let us know the outcome and how good the r_tech team are
Post by: rashg60 on June 13, 2015, 04:13:24 pm
It made 207 bhp with 215 ft/lb pre-map with just the K&N filter - which I was very pleased with to be honest.
Post map it made 247 bhp with 292 ft/lb = made me very happy indeed.
I'm only using my GTI as a second car so hardly drive it - not even done 500 miles since I've owned it from earlier this year. Anyway, now I'm looking for excuses to go out in it at every given opportunity. I bought a low-miler and intended to keep the mileage low, but scared now as I'll be racking up the miles!
I'm unsure as to how to post attachments to this thread - as I wanted to share the dyno maps with you guys, so you can offer any advice/suggestions on where to go from here. So if anyone can help with the attachments please let me know. When I click on the 'attachments and other options' below, no option comes up for adding attachments - unless my settings are wrong? Help!
Post by: Simo on June 13, 2015, 05:32:44 pm
Post by: patpong_pete on June 13, 2015, 06:00:29 pm
is the K & N Panel filter ?
did you do the pre dat delete ?
did you go for the 5 maps or just one
get the graph up
what do u think 0-60 times are now and top end after remap
enjoy and well done nik and r-tech boys
Post by: rashg60 on June 14, 2015, 09:39:44 pm
Nice! I'm booked in on the 27th. Excited isn't the word!
I had to wait 5 weeks for mine so know exactly how you feel!
so all worked out well whats next ?
is the K & N Panel filter ?
did you do the pre dat delete ?
did you go for the 5 maps or just one
get the graph up
what do u think 0-60 times are now and top end after remap
enjoy and well done nik and r-tech boys
K&N panel filter - I'm not convinced by the cold air inductions kits!
Not done any other mods except the above.
Just had the one map in the end.
It feels like the 6 second mark for the 0-60 times but haven't actually tested it. I'm too busy enjoying the drive at the moment with a massive smile on my face every time.
I'm still unsure on how to add attachments/pictures to this thread, hence haven't been able to share the graphs just yet.
When you guys say 'pre cat delete' does this mean removing the first cat altogether?
Post by: patpong_pete on June 14, 2015, 10:25:12 pm
the first cat the small one has the white chalky stuff inside just need to smash it out
and then the car breaths better and exhaust will sound better and also 3-5 bhp more
so win win
Post by: rashg60 on June 15, 2015, 11:09:34 am
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on June 15, 2015, 11:51:04 am
I'm not sure I like the sound of 'smashing' the exhaust.....sounds rather primitive. Or is this the norm and what everyone else has done?
See here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,41083.0.html
Post by: flashp on June 15, 2015, 02:51:16 pm
I'm not sure I like the sound of 'smashing' the exhaust.....sounds rather primitive. Or is this the norm and what everyone else has done?
See here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,41083.0.html
It's not what everybody has done.
Interesting that 83% would buy a standard car and some of that number would then proceed to tackle their tuning with inadequate budgets and DIY where sometimes neither the tools or the ability exist. Under these circumstances I would buy standard without a doubt. Even then you may look for the stamps in the book and think to yourself 'Oh great, FVWSH and standard' but you could be very wrong. How many return to standard sales do we see here?
It's entirely conceivable that somebody could modify (in some cases the term ameliorate is more accurate) their car and spend as much as the cost of the car again in doing so. If this is done with with new OE or better parts, advice from a respected tuner who has experience is adhered to, no cheap short cuts taken, and vehicle unique parts (ED30 or Pirelli) are retained why would you not want to buy this car?? Some are modified for show, others at an engineering level with an objective in mind. Show 'vs' track for example.
Here's an example, LSD. Circa £1400 fitted and none of it's coming back to you. Does it make a difference? YES, unequivocally . Next to stage 1 map it's the next best thing you can do for these cars (unless the 'scene' is your thing in which case you'd probably spend the same on wheels or 'bagging'). If you want to remove mods later to sell and getting big numbers is all you're interested in then this is not for you.
My point here is that not all 'modified' vehicles are the same. Some are highly desirable, others may be interesting for some to look at but drive terribly, or not.
Most of the respected tuners can keep you entertained with anecdotes regarding vehicles coming in with bodged partly finished works or owners with no mechanical empathy or appreciation wanting high levels of tune applied to a vehicle that hasn't been properly cared for. Some will actually decline to work on vehicles where this applies unless the issues are corrected.
They can also tell you about remarkable vehicles that have had the right money spent and the right parts bought.
There will be awful modified and standard vehicles and also exceptional modified and standard alike.
:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
Post by: rashg60 on June 15, 2015, 05:40:19 pm
We all think that our choice of mods are the best, regardless of how we choose to have them fitted (either professionally or cheaply). I'm always hesitant when buying a car if it has been modified - the boy racer label does not disappear so easily and you always assume the car has been thrashed/abused. I suspect many of the people that have voted believe the same.
I agree that sensible mods, which have been professional fitted add value to the car and the spec. But this cannot be easily distinguished.
Another question I'd like to pose to all readers:
If you have bought a pre-modified car, what did you look for? Engine mods or cosmetic mods?
Post by: rashg60 on July 11, 2015, 08:53:45 pm
I have not disconnected the battery, nor has it been to any garage for anything. I've only covered about 200 miles in it and that's it.
I will contact R-Tech on Monday but in the meantime I thought I'd try you guys and see if anyone knows what has caused this. Has anyone else experienced this?
Post by: AJP on July 11, 2015, 10:16:37 pm
What was the condition of your diverter valve when you got the remap? I'm assuming they checked the dv, pcv etc before the map.
Bear in mind the remap will have increased the boost pressure, so any weak links in the chain can fail sooner than on a standard car.
Could be a boost leak, could be something else. No real way of finding out on here, so fingers crossed they can diagnose and address the issue at R Tech.
Update us when you can. And good luck.
Post by: rashg60 on July 11, 2015, 11:14:45 pm
Like I say I've just covered 200 miles in it and have not thrashed it at all.
I just feely deeply disappointed as it may mean another trip down to R-Tech.
Not a happy chappie at the moment.
Post by: flashp on July 12, 2015, 10:05:51 am
Sounds like something didn't like the new stress levels, engine mods can weed out the weaknesses. At least you know the engines take it well once settled.
Hope you haven't got a ridiculously long journey to make.
Post by: rashg60 on July 12, 2015, 10:29:03 am
I hope it gets sorted pretty quick as it feels like I'm driving a 1.6 diesel about.
Post by: AJP on July 15, 2015, 02:32:52 pm
Thankfully I'm only about 30-40 mins away so not too bad.Any update with the issue mate?
I hope it gets sorted pretty quick as it feels like I'm driving a 1.6 diesel about.
Post by: rashg60 on July 16, 2015, 03:56:36 pm
I'm being patient but I really hate driving the car at the moment. I just hope I'm not making the issue worse by continuing to driving it.
There's no odd noises or anything - it starts and drives perfect. Just the lack of power.
I'm hoping it is sorted out next week.
Post by: AJP on July 16, 2015, 04:19:11 pm
Fingers crossed.
Post by: rashg60 on July 21, 2015, 10:11:26 am
R-Tech did get back to me yesterday and advised I get it hooked up to check for any faults (why didn't I think of this!). Anyway I took it down to the local garage and they hooked it up and nothing was detected.
I was then advised by the garage owner to unplug the air flow sensor and take it for a spin. I did that and it drove much better, i.e. more power. I have since ordered a new air flow sensor, which should be fitted this evening.
Other than that R-Tech are saying change the Diverter Valve - is this something I can do at home? Should I go for the standard one or an upgraded one?
Post by: usmangti on July 21, 2015, 02:18:11 pm
Post by: rashg60 on July 21, 2015, 02:38:14 pm
I have now replaced the air flow sensor and the car goes much much better, i.e. much smoother in every gear like it used to be. However, the power surge that I got after the Stage 1 map still isn't there. I have therefore ordered a Rev G DV from VW, which should be here tomorrow. Hopefully that should cure the problem.
If this still doesn't do it - any more recommendations/ideas?
Post by: usmangti on July 21, 2015, 02:56:09 pm
Post by: rashg60 on July 21, 2015, 11:08:16 pm
Post by: rashg60 on July 22, 2015, 12:53:23 pm
Again car feels much better but it's still lacking that power surge.
Post by: usmangti on July 22, 2015, 01:20:08 pm
Check your oil levels too.
Post by: rashg60 on July 22, 2015, 03:28:42 pm
I have emailed R-Tech re. these latest developments and will wait and see what they say.
Post by: usmangti on July 22, 2015, 04:16:34 pm
Post by: Scottymon on July 22, 2015, 07:12:37 pm
Replaced the DV now.
Again car feels much better but it's still lacking that power surge.
Has it had a few tanks of vPower / Momentum?
What are we comparing "the surge" too? 300lb/ft+ should definitely feel noticeable though.
Post by: rashg60 on July 22, 2015, 07:14:08 pm
Post by: rashg60 on July 22, 2015, 07:17:35 pm
It was 247bhp with 292 torque.
Post by: rashg60 on July 22, 2015, 08:06:37 pm
Post by: AJP on July 22, 2015, 08:16:48 pm
Incidentally some people find the piston rev D to leak, by design, from new. Not to the extent that a split diaphram dv would, but maybe that's why things seem better, but not quite 'there'.
The consensus is that the rev G (diaphram) is the one to have over the rev D (piston). Your rev C was a diaphram valve. My info on the specifics of the different valves may be wrong (and people, please correct me if I am) but it's an idea at least to try the rev G.
Post by: Scottymon on July 22, 2015, 08:36:56 pm
You really want to get the car back on R-Tech's rollers to get a more accurate idea of how much boost and power you're losing.
Incidentally some people find the piston rev D to leak, by design, from new. Not to the extent that a split diaphram dv would, but maybe that's why things seem better, but not quite 'there'.
The consensus is that the rev G (diaphram) is the one to have over the rev D (piston). Your rev C was a diaphram valve. My info on the specifics of the different valves may be wrong (and people, please correct me if I am) but it's an idea at least to try the rev G.
The Rev G is definitely the best at holding boost, and probably the best to use to fault find.
Mine kept tearing (probably cos turbo was getting too hot) went through 3 over time.
Not an issue on K04, Rev.G all day. :pomppomp:
Post by: rashg60 on July 22, 2015, 09:28:45 pm
I'd rather not spend any more money on parts just to eliminate any further possible causes.
Thanks for all your advice so far guys. Will keep you posted on any updates.
Post by: rashg60 on July 23, 2015, 08:18:18 pm
what was your old dv like? Also I find when I don't drive mine much or without giving it the beans it does start to feel flat. Get it nice and warm and go for a good drive, going through the gears. Nowadays I make sure to give mine a good blast in a few gears daily and I have not felt it go flat since.
Check your oil levels too.
I think you hit the nail on the head usmangti - I just took the car out for nice long blast and boy does it feel good. The smile is back on my face.
I actually hardly drive my car and barely cover 200 miles in a month, so your advice on taking it for a nice long spin was perfect.
So if it loses boost again, chances are the DV is the first culprit to blame?
Post by: AJP on July 23, 2015, 09:03:59 pm
I recently did a 400 odd mile round trip, plenty of A roads, motorway, varied driving, and the car certainly felt much stronger after that. Now after more of the short commutes to and from work, I'm sure it's gone a bit flat again.
I used to think the old 'ECU learning' thing was a bit overstated, but with this car in particular there's something in the theory.
I think they call it the 'Italian Tune-up'!
Also, about a week after getting a new rev G dv, pcv and cam follower, the car seemed to get even stronger and smoother than the obvious improvement straight after the parts were fitted.
All that said.... I'd still get it down on the rollers at R-Tech. Just be sure of things.
Post by: usmangti on July 24, 2015, 12:40:56 am
what was your old dv like? Also I find when I don't drive mine much or without giving it the beans it does start to feel flat. Get it nice and warm and go for a good drive, going through the gears. Nowadays I make sure to give mine a good blast in a few gears daily and I have not felt it go flat since.
Check your oil levels too.
I think you hit the nail on the head usmangti - I just took the car out for nice long blast and boy does it feel good. The smile is back on my face.
I actually hardly drive my car and barely cover 200 miles in a month, so your advice on taking it for a nice long spin was perfect.
So if it loses boost again, chances are the DV is the first culprit to blame?
Glad to hear it feels better. Yeah I would defo agree if you feel a loss of power dv would be the first to check. The last time I changed my dv was because it was feeling flat but there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. Swapped a Rev G for another Rev G. However at the time I was rarely driving the car maybe once a week, now I drive it 4 days a week and do about 50-60 miles it feels a lot better. A good old "Italian tune up" does the trick or extended drive clears any issues with boosting.
What @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) has said about ecu learning I think is spot on and I have never felt it more than with any other car than this car. Also I have read and feel like it might be right that you don't always get full boost if you just floor it WOT, what is better is to feed the power through smoothly. Might be worth mentioning my car is standard ie not remapped.
Post by: rashg60 on July 24, 2015, 02:09:24 pm
Post by: usmangti on July 24, 2015, 03:03:16 pm
Post by: rashg60 on August 04, 2015, 04:17:41 pm
I have now ordered a Rev G. Hopefully fitting it tonight if it doesn't rain.
I didn't realise the DV was going to be such a pain - maybe I should have left the car stock. The old Rev C had been on the car for 64k miles and still going strong. It wasn't even split or anything.
Post by: rashg60 on August 09, 2015, 02:48:20 pm
The car is back on track and feels perfect once again.
Now time to enjoy it again.
Post by: AJP on August 09, 2015, 06:35:26 pm
Replaced the DV with the Rev G today and also replaced the PCV with the latest revision.Better than the Revision D then?
The car is back on track and feels perfect once again.
Now time to enjoy it again.
Post by: rashg60 on August 09, 2015, 07:58:49 pm
I just hope nothing else goes wrong now.
Post by: AJP on August 11, 2015, 12:54:29 pm
Yes definitely - at least I've tried both!Good to hear. Fingers crossed it stays that way.
I just hope nothing else goes wrong now.
I'm off to R-Tech myself tomorrow for Stage 1
Post by: rashg60 on August 11, 2015, 02:42:52 pm
Like I say, mine were fine when the map was done - they just went doolally post-map.
What other mods you got to compliment the map?
Good luck with your map tomorrow - you'll defo enjoy it :smiley:
Post by: AJP on August 11, 2015, 09:35:20 pm
Have you already upgraded your DV/PCV?Yes I had a new Rev G, PCV and cam follower a few weeks ago. I always had a remap in mind since I bought it in April, and it didn't quite feel like 200bhp should anyway, so it needed doing.
Like I say, mine were fine when the map was done - they just went doolally post-map.
What other mods you got to compliment the map?
Good luck with your map tomorrow - you'll defo enjoy it :smiley:
The Rev C DV that came out was indeed split, and full power was restored! It's been running spot on since.
The car will be a true Stage 1 - everything is stock. I have run it exclusively on V Power so it should map to its potential on standard hardware.
I may go for an uprated downpipe, cat, inlet etc if I want to go Stage 2 in the future, but certainly not before I uprate the brakes. They're a bit weak even for standard power after a few big corners. I'll probably go for TTRS calipers and 340mm discs.
Quite looking forward to tomorrow's events!
Post by: rashg60 on August 11, 2015, 11:24:09 pm
I think anything beyond a Stage 1 you need to start spending serious money, i.e. brakes, clutch, suspension, tyres, exhaust etc. For that sort of money I'd rather purchase a newer Golf.
Let us know how tomorrow pans out. Where are you travelling from to R-Tech? Either way, your journey there will be much much different from your return journey home.......
Post by: AJP on August 12, 2015, 06:28:03 am
Yeah, power-wise, we'll see. If I get to the point where I'm wanting more and more I think I'll look for a mk6 R or S3, rather than turn everything up to 11 on the mk5.
Will update later. Cheers!
Post by: AJP on August 12, 2015, 04:26:10 pm
242bhp and 296lb/ft
Happy with that! Really smooth power delivery and the torque makes it effortless. Great work by R-Tech again
Post by: rashg60 on August 12, 2015, 09:39:10 pm
I bet you're well pleased with that. Feels like a different car right?
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2015, 07:11:45 am
Post by: rashg60 on August 13, 2015, 08:48:41 pm
Only ever experienced a friends mk4 TDI in the past which was mapped and that was awesome. I think he did a tonne of other stuff to it too and it was like 300bhp and with some silly torque figures (those TDIs were torquey anyway!).
Keep us posted if you decide to do anything else to it. I'm leaving mine alone for a while now......
Post by: AJP on August 13, 2015, 10:14:26 pm
I think that's what I like the most, being able to pick up speed so easily at low to mid revs, not having to bang through the box and ask lots of the engine to make progress. It's got that muscular feel from way down at 2500rpm, probably helped by the smaller k03, but also unquestionably a really good map. Of course where the diesels give up, at around 4000rpm, it really gets rapid. Going through the gears to peak power at around 6k is just so addictive, but still smooth and refined. Things sound angrier with the map, even with standard hardware. And when it's time to be sensible it goes back to its quiet, best behaviour, as if it never just hurled you down that A-road screaming its head off.
It didn't quite manage that without the map, didn't have quite enough torque and urgency to induce the post-roundabout grin that a properly quick car can.
With a good upgrade to the brakes (I'm looking at TTRS), and a couple of minor suspension tweaks, I'll be more than happy with my 'new' GTI..
That wouldn't be the case without the map. Brilliant stuff.
Post by: numec on August 13, 2015, 11:42:00 pm
Post by: Ruggy on August 14, 2015, 09:01:49 am
Anybody got any experience of this?
Post by: rashg60 on August 14, 2015, 09:27:49 am
If I started to fiddle with more hardware and stage 2 map, then I'd have to change clutch/brakes/suspension etc.
Post by: AJP on August 16, 2015, 06:18:48 pm
I'm really tempted too, but I'm worried about having to replace the clutch with all the extra bhp and torque the remap will give me.It's logical that a clutch dealing with 70lb/ft more torque will have a harder time, and therefore in theory have a shorter life.
Anybody got any experience of this?
However, the biggest factor by far is what you do with your right foot. I mentioned how at 2500rpm and WOT the turbo spools hard and the torque really picks up. Well... as fun as it is, this is a good way to wear out a clutch prematurely.
In an ideal world, you'd gently feed the throttle in, til you were past peak torque (rather low at 2422rpm in my case) reaching WOT at say 4000rpm. This avoids putting a sudden 'shock' into the clutch.
I'd bet that going full chat, changing at peak power actually puts less wear into the clutch than doing the 'low revs, foot down, wait for the turbo' thing. As fun as it is.
Obviously the DSG cars don't have that problem; they can take big torque all day long. I did consider a DSG car, but settled for manual as I wasn't keen on the cost of DSG failure, which is reported frequently enough for me to think twice.
Bottom line is that even a stock car driven unwisely can wear out a clutch quicker than a mapped car driven with a bit of thought.
There are so many reasons for getting a remap. And so few against. Insurance, for example, increased by just 60 quid for me on a modified policy with Adrian Flux. That and the 290 for the map at R-Tech - how could you possibly go wrong for 350 notes?! It's brought the car up a league, for little outlay.
Anyone thinking 'should I?' Seriously, do it.
And just a quick edit to note - please do tell your insurers. Get a quote before you book in for the remap. If you're with one of the companies that have a fit when you mention a power increase, leave the remap and just sit out the remainder of the policy until renewal time, then get on the phone to one of the mod-friendly brokers.
My point is - it's 2015. I still read posts by idiots claiming insurance companies wouldn't detect changes to an ECU and all that rubbish. Should the worst happen, they would put plenty of effort into finding any reason not to pay a claim. Gone are the days that they would overlook checking ECU data. Lots of cars (turbocharged especially) are remapped these days, and they know it.
If they have the inclination and the resources to find out, they will find out.
I know insurance talk isn't exactly relevant to this thread, but I feel it was worth pointing out, as it will affect anyone going ahead with tuning.
If you're doing it, do it properly.
Post by: rashg60 on August 16, 2015, 08:47:54 pm
I'm with Direct Line - does anyone know if they are good with mods? I'll phone them tomorrow and see what they.
I really appreciate you bringing this up otherwise I would never have done it.
Post by: rashg60 on October 30, 2015, 01:24:33 pm
Post by: AJP on October 30, 2015, 01:57:11 pm
Full 3inch BCS Powervalve system now fitted and booked in for a remap tweak at R-Tech next week. I'm hoping to achieve 260+ bhp.Good man. Did you go for the sports cat or decat? And how much do they charge for the new map?
Can't wait to see your results, I think it's only a matter of time til I do the same, but maybe with a Loba or APR fuel pump.
Post by: rashg60 on October 30, 2015, 03:28:51 pm
They are gonna charge £90 for the remap tweak (I probably wouldn't have done this if you hadn't mentioned it).
Next year I am planning to go for the LOBA HPFP and S3 Intercooler, then go up to the next stage remap (widely known as the stage 2 remap).
Post by: AJP on October 30, 2015, 04:07:37 pm
90 quid isn't too bad.
From what I've read you should break 260bhp, and gain plenty of torque across the rev range. Bet you can't wait!
Post by: rashg60 on October 30, 2015, 04:38:17 pm
Yes - very excited about next Friday. Can't wait to be honest.
It's good that we are going down similar paths - I don't want to 'over do it' though, hence will stop after this. Only if I think I need more power I may go for the stage 2, but realistically, the way the car is performing and sounding at the moment, I wouldn't want to ruin it.
Post by: rashg60 on October 31, 2015, 02:29:22 pm
It came off my car at 66,750 miles and is in very good condition.
Please contact me for any further information.
Post by: AJP on November 06, 2015, 06:15:24 pm
I thought about the R32 style system but wanted to keep the car looking close to stock as possible. I also love the stock suspension set-up and will not be changing that. At the moment the stock brakes are coping quite well and again I'd like to keep these standard too.Any update?
Yes - very excited about next Friday. Can't wait to be honest.
It's good that we are going down similar paths - I don't want to 'over do it' though, hence will stop after this. Only if I think I need more power I may go for the stage 2, but realistically, the way the car is performing and sounding at the moment, I wouldn't want to ruin it.
Post by: rashg60 on November 07, 2015, 03:22:06 pm
My initial expectations were spot on as the car was producing 260bhp with the full exhaust. After Niki did his magic to the car for 2 hours, it was again transformed to another level - this time reaching 273bhp with 344 torque. Obviously this has exceeded all expectations and since the roads were drenched yesterday, the car was spinning in virtually every gear. Even Niki took it for a blast and said I'd have to try it in the dry.
To be honest if it continues like this, then I will have to think of another strategy or detune to around 260bhp, where I was able to drive it.
If it continues to spin, even in the dry, is the clutch replacement the thing to do to resolve this?
Post by: AJP on November 07, 2015, 05:06:05 pm
Firstly thank you for remembering that yesterday was the big R-Tech day! And apologies from me for not posting an update sooner.Holy mother!!! That's insane!!!
My initial expectations were spot on as the car was producing 260bhp with the full exhaust. After Niki did his magic to the car for 2 hours, it was again transformed to another level - this time reaching 273bhp with 344 torque. Obviously this has exceeded all expectations and since the roads were drenched yesterday, the car was spinning in virtually every gear. Even Niki took it for a blast and said I'd have to try it in the dry.
To be honest if it continues like this, then I will have to think of another strategy or detune to around 260bhp, where I was able to drive it.
If it continues to spin, even in the dry, is the clutch replacement the thing to do to resolve this?
I expected 260 odd AFTER the map!
Big respect to both @nige bcs and @rtechniki for what their work has achieved here.
Huge gains. I bet that's put a huge smile on your face too.
If your wheels are spinning rather than your clutch slipping it means your clutch is doing its job - you need more grip from your tyres. I'm on Michelin Supersports and get a tiny bit of wheelspin in 2nd in the dry, that's at 296lb/ft. They're an excellent tyre, and loads stickier than the Kumhos I had before.
Once again, brilliant result. Gobsmacked.
Post by: AJP on November 07, 2015, 05:09:41 pm
Could you post the graph up?!
I'm going to raid my ISA and get in on this action.
Post by: rashg60 on November 07, 2015, 10:35:52 pm
And these results are with only 2 mods:-
K&N panel filter
Full 3inch BCS exhaust
To be honest, with that amount of power, there is no actual need to go any further. The results speak for themselves.
Good point about the tyres. I've still got the Continental Sport used ones I got when I upgraded my wheels. I guess it's time to change them. I was actually waiting for my MOT and service, which are both due in December, and will get them changed just before then.
How much are the Michelin Sports if you don't mind me asking. I have 18inch Monza's.
Would love to post graph and other pics on here but still struggle to upload them - what's the best way to get them on here?
Post by: rashg60 on November 07, 2015, 10:43:24 pm
HPFP and I/C mod will take it to stage 2+.......but that is a long way away. Not even thinking about that at the moment. Need to sort out tyres and enjoy the car for a while now.
Plus got Eddie-NL coming down next weekend to retrofit Edition 30 interior (heated/electric seats), MFSW, CC etc. Had it for a while now stacked up in my front room - Mrs not too happy about that.
Post by: AJP on November 08, 2015, 06:35:43 am
I paid 104 a corner for the Michelins I think, 225 40 18, from Oponeo.
As for adding photos, it's pretty simple, just a case of first uploading your photos to a hosting site (eg photobucket), then pasting their url into the forum. Just a case of getting the img tags in the right place.
Oh, I'm picking up an R32 rear tomorrow, so I'm one step closer to that BCS!
Post by: rashg60 on November 08, 2015, 07:10:32 pm
Good luck with your bumper tomorrow - have you booked in with Nige yet? Which exhaust have you decided on?
Thanks for the advice on posting pics - will attempt to get these uploaded very soon for your advice/suggestions.
Post by: rashg60 on November 08, 2015, 10:22:14 pm
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Post by: AJP on November 08, 2015, 11:29:09 pm
I'm going for the full system with sports cat (like you, I can't be arsed with mot issues) and 35 degree tips - from what I've seen these follow the angle of the R32 exhaust trim nicely, they just look spot on to me.
I'm not booked in just yet, once I get the R32 rear tomorrow I'll need to book in with my bodyshop for a bit of Tornado, and I'll probably spend a bit of time flatting back the exhaust trim section before it goes in, as I'd like that sprayed gloss black rather than staying with the oem textured look.
No major rush for me to plough ahead just yet, got a few other less exciting priorities to budget for.. but it will be within the next couple of months. Will be worth the wait!
Post by: AJP on November 08, 2015, 11:39:24 pm
That's the tailpipe option I'm going for. Looks perfect to me!
Post by: rashg60 on November 09, 2015, 07:32:26 am
Let us know how you get on with the bumper today.
Post by: AJP on November 09, 2015, 07:50:31 am
Post by: Powervalve Nige on November 09, 2015, 09:56:46 am
Cheers
Nige
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Needs a tidy, it's got a couple of little scuffs etc but it'll keep me busy for a bit. Going to try and do as much prep as I can to save on bodyshop labour. Importantly all the mounting holes, brackets, heatshield are intact.
I won't be needing the top half so if anyone needs that give me a shout. It's for cars with parking sensors.
Going to do the diffuser gloss black like I mentioned, although I'm tempted to see what it'd look like with a carbon finish, a mate of mine has just set up doing hydrodipping. Maybe a bit ott... but we'll see!
I really should start a build thread instead of chatting about bumpers in the R-Tech section... haha :-)
Post by: rashg60 on November 09, 2015, 03:01:36 pm
I've also been meaning to start a proper build thread but end up putting things in random sections - oh well.
Post by: AJP on November 09, 2015, 03:27:29 pm
The bumper came up a bit cheaper than a lot go for on the forum, so I thought I might as well snap it up while I could, and I'll hopefully get a few quid back if someone buys the top half.
One step closer! Although at this rate I'll end up going Stage 2 just in time for the icy roads over winter! I half want to hold on and see if Nige does another group buy, but in reality I'm not sure if I have the patience..!
Post by: rashg60 on November 09, 2015, 04:20:35 pm
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Post by: AJP on November 23, 2015, 11:31:44 am
It's currently split into its three parts (pain in the arse job) and that's as far as I've got - life seems to be getting in the way of car stuff at the minute unfortunately!
Probably going to throw some proper time and effort at it in the new year, things are just a bit hectic for me til then.
How are you finding the Stage 2 after a few weeks with it mate? Managing to get the power down in the dry?
Post by: rashg60 on November 23, 2015, 12:14:41 pm
Good luck with whatever life is throwing at you, I hope it gets resolved quickly, then back to your car!
Post by: AJP on November 23, 2015, 02:13:55 pm
Oh yes - power delivery much much better in the dry. Really need to invest in a decent set of tyres though, that should help it even more. Other than that really enjoying it, it is such a joy to drive and very quick in every gear regardless.Cheers pal, it'll all be back on track soon enough.
Good luck with whatever life is throwing at you, I hope it gets resolved quickly, then back to your car!
Have you considered an anti-lift kit? They're supposed to really help with wheel hop and getting the tyres down and gripping. I'll certainly be doing it at some point.
With that, some sticky tyres and then a good geometry setup (try and find somewhere with a Hunter machine) you should be well on your way to clawing back some traction.
Post by: rashg60 on November 23, 2015, 04:11:38 pm
Hopefully tyres should be coming on next month - still deciding on which ones to go for!
Post by: AJP on November 23, 2015, 05:16:19 pm
Not really sure what the anti-lift kit is - will have to look into it.I can vouch for the Supersports. Not just in handling the torque but they're really good in the bends and still perform well in the wet.
Hopefully tyres should be coming on next month - still deciding on which ones to go for!
I think the Superpro anti-lift kit (commonly abbreviated to SALK) is the best regarded kit at the minute - have a google and a read up.
Post by: rashg60 on November 29, 2015, 07:57:18 pm
Managed to get all 4 tyres fitted and balanced etc. with the MOT for £355 all in :smiley:
Post by: AJP on November 29, 2015, 09:55:36 pm
I've finally decided on the Goodyear Eagle F1's - booked in to be fitted on the 12th December. Combining this with the MOT at the same time.Good all round tyre. Hopefully get you a bit more traction!
Managed to get all 4 tyres fitted and balanced etc. with the MOT for £355 all in :smiley:
Post by: rashg60 on November 30, 2015, 09:28:59 am
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Post by: AJG09 on February 02, 2016, 09:53:11 pm
Think I'll need to start looking at R32/Ed30 lights to finish off the rear end!
The lights make a big difference on a red car as I find the standard ones blend in with the paint too much... That's if I'm being picky :happy2:
Post by: AJP on February 02, 2016, 09:57:26 pm
Yeah that's exactly how I see it too. They tend to look a bit 'standard spec' when it's red on red.Think I'll need to start looking at R32/Ed30 lights to finish off the rear end!
The lights make a big difference on a red car as I find the standard ones blend in with the paint too much... That's if I'm being picky :happy2:
Can't wait to get the exhaust on, and then it's back down to R-Tech for a map tweak a fortnight later.
I really should start budgeting for some bigger brakes before I carry on with cosmetics though...!
Post by: Bigjimknickers on February 09, 2016, 02:31:02 pm
I've finally decided on the Goodyear Eagle F1's - booked in to be fitted on the 12th December. Combining this with the MOT at the same time.
Managed to get all 4 tyres fitted and balanced etc. with the MOT for £355 all in :smiley:
I've just read through the whole thread, very interesting, especially for me as it seems I've got almost exactly the same plan as what you seem to have already done!
My tyres need replacing-looking at 4x eagle F1s
Exhaust is rotten- new BCS system needed
Panel filter already fitted
& when that's all done I'll go for an R tech map!
First things first though, how are you finding the eagle F1s?
Post by: rashg60 on February 09, 2016, 02:56:49 pm
I got the tyres in December and since then the roads have been pretty wet! To be honest the wheelspin has been reduced considerably and the car corners much better. I'm looking forward to the next few months, when the weather turns better (fingers crossed) and then I can comment further.
My previous tyres were a mix n match so can't really compare to anything before. I've just gone by people's reviews on here etc. and the price was too good to refuse.
What panel filter have you got? And what is the spec of your car?
Post by: Bigjimknickers on February 12, 2016, 02:25:14 pm
Thanks for reading the thread - I didn't want to go over-board with lots of engine modifications. After much research I felt this was the route for me, with the maximum amount of gain in the budgeted price. And I was not disappointed! Love driving the car.I have a pipercross panel filter & spec is 60K manual 2005 5door, no extras from factory, unless cruise control is an option? Very basic spec but I really enjoy driving it, just needs 4 tyres asap as I too have a mix n match, makes for a pretty rough ride, hopefully some F1s will sort it out!
I got the tyres in December and since then the roads have been pretty wet! To be honest the wheelspin has been reduced considerably and the car corners much better. I'm looking forward to the next few months, when the weather turns better (fingers crossed) and then I can comment further.
My previous tyres were a mix n match so can't really compare to anything before. I've just gone by people's reviews on here etc. and the price was too good to refuse.
What panel filter have you got? And what is the spec of your car?
Post by: Powervalve Nige on February 13, 2016, 11:47:54 am
Yeah that's exactly how I see it too. They tend to look a bit 'standard spec' when it's red on red.Think I'll need to start looking at R32/Ed30 lights to finish off the rear end!
The lights make a big difference on a red car as I find the standard ones blend in with the paint too much... That's if I'm being picky :happy2:
Can't wait to get the exhaust on, and then it's back down to R-Tech for a map tweak a fortnight later.
I really should start budgeting for some bigger brakes before I carry on with cosmetics though...!
Images of the Full Powervalve Exhaust Installed Andy...
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Post by: AJP on February 13, 2016, 04:17:23 pm
Keep hearing new noises from the Powervalve the more I drive the car. Is it possible to 'have feelings' for an exhaust.? It's so damn good!!!
(Ps, the car has had a wash since..)
Post by: rashg60 on February 13, 2016, 07:42:07 pm
The noise is just awesome. Did you also go for the sports cat?
Post by: AJP on February 13, 2016, 07:56:30 pm
You finally got it done!!! :smiley: Good man. Amazing right?Finally mate, yes!!!
The noise is just awesome. Did you also go for the sports cat?
Amazing is the word. Actually I'm just as blown away with this as I am with the map. I keep looking for excuses to hit the bypass!
Yeah, went for the 200 cell cat after reading up and keeping close tabs on your progress. Even now just on the stage 1 it pulls so much harder. Turbo spools really aggressively. I'm down at R-Tech on 24th for that little bit extra...
Was showing it off to a couple of workmates after work on Thursday in the carpark, somehow managed to get a big anti-lag style noise out of it in 1st coming onto boost riding the clutch! Haha! Bit silly... but their jaws hit the floor!!!!
Possibly the best mod I've done.
Post by: rashg60 on February 13, 2016, 08:12:20 pm
Really pleased you went with this option mate - probably the best grand or so you ever spent right?
PS - you still got your old bumper? I'm still humming and harring over that mod......
Post by: AJP on February 13, 2016, 08:41:29 pm
Glad you are loving it mate - it only gets better after your visit to R-Tech. Bet you can't wait!Oh definitely pal, can't wait to get the map tweaked. The number of times I've looked at your graphs and the extra torque you got after the map... I'm giddy just thinking about it! I'm just praying my clutch doesn't crap out, because even now I can tell it's holding much more torque for longer. If it does then I'll just get a helix and then a hybrid k03....!!!
Really pleased you went with this option mate - probably the best grand or so you ever spent right?
PS - you still got your old bumper? I'm still humming and harring over that mod......
Yeah the bumper is currently sat wrapped up and protected; the plan is to get round to selling it at some point. Tell you what - I'm not desperate to sell it, so what I'll do is hold off putting it up for sale, and if you do at some point decide to go for it, it's there for you.
There's a few cars with the painted rear, painted sides, and the standard GTI lip painted, and it looks damn good. Obviously the ed30 lip is great, but it did cost me a bomb.. so maybe that's an option? All painted up but with painted GTI lip rather than ed30 lip.
It helps to be on good terms with a good bodyshop. I still haven't paid for the R32 rear. Quite bizarre that I have to chase him to pay him...!
Post by: AJP on February 13, 2016, 08:42:19 pm
Post by: rashg60 on February 14, 2016, 08:23:58 am
Let me know what day is good for you (preferably one weekend) and I'll nip up some time.
PS - my clutch is holding up fine for the time being. I don't really fancy forking out for a new clutch just yet!
Post by: AJP on February 14, 2016, 08:38:23 am
I really appreciate that mate. What I might do if you don't mind, is pop up some time to see it in the flesh and then make a decision. I can then either take it off you straight away or let you know it's not for me, so you're not waiting around for me.Yeah that's fine mate, I'll pm you soon and let you know when's good.
Let me know what day is good for you (preferably one weekend) and I'll nip up some time.
PS - my clutch is holding up fine for the time being. I don't really fancy forking out for a new clutch just yet!
I'll just have to see how I go with the clutch, some seem bulletproof while others struggle up towards 350lb/ft. Fingers crossed.
Post by: rashg60 on May 20, 2016, 08:49:01 pm
The last time this happened I changed the air flow sensor and the DV and that seemed to cure the problem. Not too sure what it could be this time.
Any ideas anyone?
Post by: AJP on May 24, 2016, 04:51:59 pm
So, after several months of driving around, the car feels like it's losing power again! I took it for a good long blast today and instead of feeling like a 273bhp monster, it now feels like the standard 197bhp again!I suppose it's possible the 'new' dv is split? I'm sure someone else on here said he went through 3 rev Gs in a year!
The last time this happened I changed the air flow sensor and the DV and that seemed to cure the problem. Not too sure what it could be this time.
Any ideas anyone?
I'm starting to wonder whether the revised GFB DV+ might be a better long term solution for 2/2+ cars.
You might be losing a bit of power in the warmer weather, but nothing like 70 odd bhp.
Hope you sort it mate.
Post by: rashg60 on May 24, 2016, 04:56:40 pm
Are the GFB's a good long-term solution? Where's the best place to get them from and I need help with fitting instructions? Who else has done this and what's your thoughts?
Post by: AJP on May 24, 2016, 05:39:39 pm
Thanks as always Andy. Looks like I might have to go down this route - don't want to constantly be changing Rev G DVs every few months! That's just going to annoy me and can be costly in the long-run.Well I don't know too much about them, but this is what I do know. The original design didn't fare well. There were (are?) also copies of the valve knocking about that wouldn't have done the brand any good at the time. GFB took a bit of a slating, but apparently took on board this feedback and revised the valve. Most, if not all accounts of the revised valve on here at least are positive.
Are the GFB's a good long-term solution? Where's the best place to get them from and I need help with fitting instructions? Who else has done this and what's your thoughts?
There is an info sheet from GFB regarding the issues and subsequent revision on here somewhere.
I did hear that Niki was testing the new design, but didn't hear much else. I have heard that he didn't like to map cars with a Forge dv - whether the older GFB valve was one he also shunned I couldn't tell you.
However, I will ask him about this when I see him in a few weeks and let you know what he thinks to the newer design.
Also if anyone else has any info regarding the GFB DV+ revision, please chip in or post a link!
In the meantime I'd advise giving your rev G a look over, check it for splits, and get a scan done to see if it's logged any error codes. Probably better to see where you stand before you start buying new bits, it could be that the dv is fine and the power loss is caused by something else.
Post by: rashg60 on May 26, 2016, 08:49:20 pm
Coincidentally I drove the car yesterday and it was behaving much better - still doesn't help as to what the issue could be. It is still not up to it's full potential though.
Post by: AJP on May 26, 2016, 09:43:18 pm
Mine used to feel a bit inconsistent at times, but not massively. If anything, since fitting the Powervalve it's been strong and consistent every day. Not sure why. Maybe the lower EGTs let the ECU deliver full boost more of the time. That's guesswork though, and you have the same exhaust anyway!