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All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: gazbutS3 on December 05, 2009, 05:31:56 pm

Title: Wheel weights?
Post by: gazbutS3 on December 05, 2009, 05:31:56 pm
Ok, fitted the TD's that I got from LOWR32 today, which are mint and exactly as described by Dom so thanks pal :happy2:

I took the trouble of weighing the various wheel/tyre combos as I removed/fitted them

Stock  7.5X18 ET56 with Conti Contact 2 225/40/18    22.5kg

TD's     8X18 ET45 with Conti Contact 2 225/40/18      19.5kg

MTM's  8.5X19 ET50 with Goodyear Assys 235/35/19   23.5kg

So as you can see the TD's are 3kg lighter than stock and 4kg lighter than the MTM's per corner.

What needs to be considered I think is the fact that the MTM's are an inch wider and an inch bigger in diameter so they are bound to be heavier


So you track dogs, there was a formula for savings in unsprung/ sprung weight comparisions, what have I saved in 4kg per corner?16kg total?

Pics to follow, I'd just washed it and it started p1ss1n down, not even driven it yet :smiley:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: Top Cat on December 05, 2009, 09:10:14 pm


Pics to follow, I'd just washed it and it started p1ss1n down, not even driven it yet :smiley:



Stop bleating and get out in the rain and take some piccies.  :wink:

Does this mean that you are going to be joining our growing group of members who are going to be tracking there car on occasions.  :jumping:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: gazbutS3 on December 05, 2009, 09:14:48 pm
maybe  :smiley:

out of interest, you any idea what them sexy rascals your runnin weigh with tyres :smiley:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: Top Cat on December 05, 2009, 09:23:02 pm
Your starting to sound like Robin.  :P

The Works weigh 23 pounds without tyres, thats all i now pal. I think there pretty light considering thats 19in 8.5J.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: tony_danza on December 05, 2009, 09:24:53 pm
My 18x8 Speedlines with tyres run about 19kg a corner and the OZs 18kg.

The rotating mass effect is somewhere between x3 and x4, depending on rim diameter.
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: gazbutS3 on December 05, 2009, 09:28:33 pm
Your starting to sound like Robin.  :P

The Works weigh 23 pounds without tyres, thats all i now pal. I think there pretty light considering thats 19in 8.5J.  :happy2:

don't u ever say that again, I taught you all you know about offsets and rim widths you muppet :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: tony_danza on December 05, 2009, 09:57:39 pm
I forgot to add, don't get too hung up on it chasing every gramme - lighter is better than heavy and you'll find the difference between the two are enough to note the benefit.

Another £xxxx for a 1/3rd of a kilo or whatever is daft unless you can afford it or winning depends on it.
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: gazbutS3 on December 05, 2009, 10:07:48 pm
not hung up at all, just interested. I wasn't looking for lighter wheels,was really happy with the way the MTM's look, then the TD's came up at a price that I thought would be interesting to see what a difference they might make. The MTM's will be going back on for the summer because they suit the car and I like um :happy2:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: tony_danza on December 05, 2009, 10:23:09 pm
That's the best way.

You got those TDs for a bargain, to get lighter, you'd have had to have spend a good £wedge more - which would have been daft!
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: Hurdy on December 05, 2009, 10:32:13 pm
The weight saving depends on who you listen to for the calculations

Dymag quote 6x the weight saving, but these are on their carbon rims, which we all know are feather light at the rim.

As Mike has said, the savin is on the unsprung, rotating mass and is approx 4x the physical saving, so....

16 x 4 = 64kg  equivalent weight from the body of the car.

Not bad at all that and should make the car feel more nimble off the mark, feedback will be better through the steering and a little more agile in bends. All good in my book Gaz :happy2:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: john_o on December 06, 2009, 11:44:37 pm
cool Gaz , another set of wheels I can 'borrow' on next years track days  :grin:
not fancy adding some R888's onto them?
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: RedRobin on December 08, 2009, 03:53:38 pm
....

Hi guys. Here's someone sounding a lot like Robin : -

Chasing grams off the weight of wheels is obviously going to cost progressively more as you lessen the weight. TD's are clearly the best value-for-money re weight:price ratio and you don't really need any lighter for non-competitive track days. The fact that my OZ's are lighter is just an added benefit to my preferring their style to the TD's on my particular car and I can't be arsed to change wheels everytime I do a trackday or according to the weather.
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: the bruce on June 05, 2011, 02:53:13 pm
These are just 9 kg:

http://www.volkswagen-zubehoer.de/shop/product_info.php?info=p1450_Motorsport--7-5J-x-18----Schwarz.html

So they're the lightest OEM Volkswagen.
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: Gti_Mad on June 05, 2011, 03:07:51 pm
i like those alot  :drool:  :drool:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: RedRobin on June 05, 2011, 04:32:28 pm

You got those TDs for a bargain, to get lighter, you'd have had to have spend a good £wedge more - which would have been daft!


....Not daft at all. I considered the TD's and the OZ Alleggerita's are only a wee bit lighter but the OZ's have soooo much more style and suit my car's looks better.  :P
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: Gti_Mad on June 06, 2011, 12:24:57 pm
These are just 9 kg:

http://www.volkswagen-zubehoer.de/shop/product_info.php?info=p1450_Motorsport--7-5J-x-18----Schwarz.html

So they're the lightest OEM Volkswagen.

Where could I get these from  :happy2:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: the bruce on June 06, 2011, 01:07:22 pm
From your local stealer.  :wink:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: Gti_Mad on June 06, 2011, 07:02:04 pm
From your local stealer.  :wink:

thanks bruce  :happy2:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: ROH ECHT on June 08, 2011, 06:46:01 am
18 x 8 TSW Nurburgring wheels = 19 lbs or 8.6 kg;
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1205.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb434%2Frohecht%2F0141024x768.jpg&hash=9e6ff6bc11f49e377ea2426af8ab7b8dcfb13698)
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 13, 2011, 06:55:07 pm

Ordered 4 as a stop gap and Falken FK452 are 11kg each according to courier web site...
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: tony_danza on July 13, 2011, 07:18:28 pm
Forged TSWs you say??

They're very nice, but I bet not cheap - I can't even find them for sale in the UK.
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: Deacon on July 13, 2011, 07:36:36 pm
Forged TSWs you say??

They're very nice, but I bet not cheap - I can't even find them for sale in the UK.

I spoke to tsw about these they are not held in UK stock but can be ordered. No word on price though they said it was down to the dealer. Shame as i really fancied these for my scirocco
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: chungster on July 13, 2011, 07:56:36 pm
ooooh available in 8x19 Anthracite!  362 euros each tho. ouch!

Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: gazbutS3 on July 13, 2011, 08:22:55 pm
ah strange this has come up again

I've got a set of VWR TD's now and weighed them with a 225/40/18 PS3 approx 2/3rds worn, they are 18kgs compared with the 19.5kgs of the first set of TD's I had, not sure why this would be the only difference being the embossed rim and no spigot ring, all I can think is the rim is thinner as it doesn't need to take the depth of the embossed part :confused:

O and the CK's aren't bad for a bling 19" rim, with a 225/35/19 PS2 they are 20kg, not sure how accurate my scales are but, all the weights I've quoted have been on these same scales :happy2:
Title: Re: Wheel weights?
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 13, 2011, 08:24:59 pm
ah strange this has come up again

I've got a set of VWR TD's now and weighed them with a 225/40/18 PS3 approx 2/3rds worn, they are 18kgs compared with the 19.5kgs of the first set of TD's I had, not sure why this would be the only difference being the embossed rim and no spigot ring, all I can think is the rim is thinner as it doesn't need to take the depth of the embossed part :confused:

O and the CK's aren't bad for a bling 19" rim, with a 225/35/19 PS2 they are 20kg, not sure how accurate my scales are but, all the weights I've quoted have been on these same scales :happy2:

First set = the ones Im currently running?  I could potentailly shed another unsprung 6kgs...  :evilgrin: