MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Oli on December 06, 2009, 10:24:07 pm
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Is quite frustrating in this weather, especially as I've recently had a few quattro cars. However, get it right and the rewards are massive. And the more and more I learn the car, the more rewarding it gets, even more so than most of my previous cars.
Discuss.....
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wasnt great in the snow last year oli lets hope it doesnt bloody snow again :laugh:
saying that i think the beemer drivers had a wors time of it going slide ways all over the shop! :surprised:
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It does get pretty frusting in the winter with the icy and greasy roads! It can get seriously fun sliding round a motorway round about at 4 in the mining though!
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I found a change back to FWD on my Edition 30 after 10 years of either RWD or 4WD was very, very frustrating .... more so when remapped in damp or wet conditions !
I have sold the Edition 30 (but really miss it) .... However, the change to RWD has brought the same issues.
338bhp through the rear tyres of my BMW in the wet does exactly what the Edition 30 did .... it spins it away. The difference .... it doesn't shake the car to death through the steering doing it .... so somehow feels something more 'acceptable' :grin:
Short of 4WD they will all spin power away. The trouble is though that 4WD feels so sterile it is IMO a bit boring (and the reason I have sold 2 perfectly capable 4WD cars).
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saying that i think the beemer drivers had a wors time of it going slide ways all over the shop! :surprised:
That's what I bought mine for :evilgrin:
Only joking :wink:
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That's what I'm on about, but get it right, and it's pure class. I'm really enjoying the ED30, especially with it's current mods, just thinking bigger brakes up front would finish it off
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saying that i think the beemer drivers had a wors time of it going slide ways all over the shop! :surprised:
That's what I bought mine for :evilgrin:
Only joking :wink:
My old mapped 335d used to go sideways round every roundabout, it was great fun, but boring - just point and squirt.
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its a bitch really. the car loves the cooler air! but getting the power down is just so tricky. really frustrates me, really makes me wonder if i should have gone for a fwd... :sad1:
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Exactly my point again. In the past three years, 3 of my six cars have been 4wd; R32, S3 and RS4, all great cars, especially the RS, but also very easy in all condition to extract the best from. I am finding the ED30 a real challenge, due to the power/fwd/awesome chassis, but just do rewarding when it all comes together. The mods I have done have all enhanced the experience more so. I have done 7000 miles in 4 months and it's usually around this time I get itchy feet, but not with the golf.
Don't get ne wrong if I hadn't just built a big extension on the house, had a third child and deciding that my wife is better off with the kids, than working, I'd have a Porsche 993 and something sensible to ferry the clan about. But at the moment I need one car to do it all, and the GTI is doing it all rather well, and in my humble opinion, can't be beaten bang for buck!
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I love FWD. Maybe it isn't the purists choice, but I don't care.
Should be even better when I get the car back with the Quaife fitted :evilgrin:
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Don't say things like that, it'll be next on my shopping list!
And your right, it's not the purists choice but I just love hot hatches, and I've had a few. Tried to get faster, bigger cars but just keep coming back!
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I have a remapped diesel which is a right pain in the wet. Getting some heat in the tyres helps, but they are breaking away constantly at the moment. I've been experimenting with tyres pressues which has helped a bit but wet roads, cold rubber and a load of torque do not go well together.
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My first winter with the full stg2+and i'm getting frustrated and annoyed easily.
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My first winter with the full stg2+and i'm getting frustrated and annoyed easily.
me too, the car feels so slow till you hit higher rpms in 4th. Being progressive on the accelerTor stops the wheel spin but it's slow. Once up to speed you can have a bit of fun, but who here will really push on in the wet on a uncontrollable environment ie the public roads
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My first winter with the full stg2+and i'm getting frustrated and annoyed easily.
me too, the car feels so slow till you hit higher rpms in 4th. Being progressive on the accelerTor stops the wheel spin but it's slow. Once up to speed you can have a bit of fun, but who here will really push on in the wet on a uncontrollable environment ie the public roads
why does your car feel more sluggish until higher RPMs in this weather. shouldnt it be the opposite in this weather with colder ambient temps, or do you mean you cant put the power on early?
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TBH if i was to get the K04conversion on mine, there is absolutely no way i would do it before i got a LSD. i can spin the wheels easily now.
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you will still be spinning the wheels with a diff.
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I have got to admit I do miss the FWD of the ED30, it brought a smilt to my face when the front wheels lit up at 70 in the wet, granted it did get a little frustrating at times but most of the time it just made me giggle! :evilgrin:
The S3 on the other hand is awesoem at this time of year, it gives me endless amounts of grip and I can get the tail wagging in the twisties if I really give it the beans :laugh:
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esp off as soon as you get in the car,job done
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esp off as soon as you get in the car,job done
INDEED :evilgrin:
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The one thing im not looking forward to in the mini is FWD. Worst time of the year to change, im loving hooning away from cars in the pissing rain which would usually be quicker, upset an M3 on the north circular the other day :evilgrin:
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TBH if i was to get the K04conversion on mine, there is absolutely no way i would do it before i got a LSD. i can spin the wheels easily now.
....But don't be convinced that a LSD diff (ATB to be pedantically correct) will stop all wheelspin - It will only help get it more quickly under control when it does happen and it's only one piece in a jigsaw of mods which help get the power down on FWD and one of those pieces is your right foot.
An ATB diff does play a big part though and the new Sports Differential (optional extra) on the Audi's makes the quattro much more exciting.
It makes all the difference to train your right foot to apply throttle progressively and never to jerk or stamp on it - An action almost guaranteed to induce wheelspin in any gear if it's at all slippy, white lines included.
Great as it is to have big power, there are certain advantages to making progress with slightly less power delivering more traction.
We each have our own preferences but I like FWD and the more predictable RWD but get a bit bored when driving AWD/4WD. Yes you can go quicker with 4WD but it's not so much fun imo.
I wouldn't switch off ESP on the road - There's simply too much which can happen unexpectedly which has the potential to seriously damage either the car or people or both and through no fault of your own driving. And I do wonder if in the event of a serious incident or insurance claim, the fact that you were driving with ESP switched off could go strongly against you. Rightly or wrongly, ESP is considered by the authorities to be a very real contributor to the reduction of accidents.
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esp is only an aid,if your not competant to drive without it (many cars dont have it anyway) then you shouldnt be driving.
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esp is only an aid,if your not competant to drive without it (many cars dont have it anyway) then you shouldnt be driving.
....Sure, I can drive without ESP - As can many others. What's the betting I was driving without ESP before you were even born :grin:
Surely you're not advocating that all 'competant' drivers should always switch it off are you?
You might just as logically say that you shouldn't be driving if you can't drive without quattro - They're all just aids.
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esp is only an aid,if your not competant to drive without it (many cars dont have it anyway) then you shouldnt be driving.
ECU interrogation is becoming common place in fatal accidents now and the data is admissable as evidence.
In the event of a fatality it is becoming increasingly likely that this would be taken into consideration. Was the ESP off? Why was it off? Did it being off contribute to the way you were driving and/or the collision? Could/would the collision have been avoid if the ESP was active. Subjective you might argue, but an expert witness's testimony is admissable as well and if someone form TRL or Bosch or even VW were to stand in court and say that the accident would've been avoidable with ESP active, you'd be looking at some time at Her Majesty's pleasure.
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esp is only an aid,if your not competant to drive without it (many cars dont have it anyway) then you shouldnt be driving.
Funnily enough I learnt to drive in cars without ESP/traction control/ABS, etc, however none of them were 200+ bhp front wheel drive hot hatches.
Can I drive my current car without the ESP on, of course but I choose to leave it on as there may be a chance it will save my @ss.
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esp is only an aid,if your not competant to drive without it (many cars dont have it anyway) then you shouldnt be driving.
....Sure, I can drive without ESP - As can many others. What's the betting I was driving without ESP before you were even born :grin:
Surely you're not advocating that all 'competant' drivers should always switch it off are you?
You might just as logically say that you shouldn't be driving if you can't drive without quattro - They're all just aids.
But your the one who stated that esp shouldnt be turned off, so let me get this right you dont want to turn off esp yet you modify your to produce more power and go faster?????
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esp is only an aid,if your not competant to drive without it (many cars dont have it anyway) then you shouldnt be driving.
Funnily enough I learnt to drive in cars without ESP/traction control/ABS, etc, however none of them were 200+ bhp front wheel drive hot hatches.
Can I drive my current car without the ESP on, of course but I choose to leave it on as there may be a chance it will save my @ss.
Or at the very least help to cover it!
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esp is only an aid,if your not competant to drive without it (many cars dont have it anyway) then you shouldnt be driving.
....Sure, I can drive without ESP - As can many others. What's the betting I was driving without ESP before you were even born :grin:
Surely you're not advocating that all 'competant' drivers should always switch it off are you?
You might just as logically say that you shouldn't be driving if you can't drive without quattro - They're all just aids.
But your the one who stated that esp shouldnt be turned off, so let me get this right you dont want to turn off esp yet you modify your to produce more power and go faster?????
....Let me clarify that what I advised was that it wasn't a good idea to turn off ESP for road driving (in my opinion). Furthermore, animal also has confirmed exactly as I suggested - That having ESP off in an incident can be admissable evidence against you.
But quite apart from any judgement of blame in the event of an incident being investigated, having ESP off doesn't make you or your car faster. It may however, better suit your driving style to switch ESP off on a track day.
You are of course free to choose to switch ESP off whenever you wish but is it wise for road use?
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i kept my ESP on at the ring as well, took it off a couple times, but felt more confidentwith it on as i thought it might save me writing off my car off if with it on.
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The one thing im not looking forward to in the mini is FWD. Worst time of the year to change, im loving hooning away from cars in the pissing rain which would usually be quicker, upset an M3 on the north circular the other day :evilgrin:
Yeah agreed, the 4wd drive is good fun in this weather and you can embarrass cars well above your station, but you'll find as I have , that FWD is just that little bit more rewarding.
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Let's not turn this into a massive debate about whether you should drive with the ESP on or off, I think it is down to the indivdual :happy2:
I will say one last thing though. I prefer to drive the S3 with the ESP off, it changes the handling charachteristics for the good and overall makes the car much more enjoyable to drive. However when I had the ED30 I hardly ever took the ESP off as 330 BHP through the front wheels with no ESP made it almost unmanageable and a little dangerous at times :confused:
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I'd still rather have RWD. I'm missing my BMW at the moment as my GTI has p*ss-all traction! My last few cars have been:
Subaru Impreza WRX (utter sh*te!)
AMD tuned Audi S3 8L (loved it!)
Superchipped BMW 330d coupe (wonderful!)
Audi A3 TDI Quattro 8P (horrible!)
BMW 330d convertible (lovely)
and now the mk5 GTI, which is my first FWD car since I had a Revo'd Ibiza Cupra many moons ago and I'd forgotton how poor the traction was.
I'm aware that my tyres are rubbish, but even before them, the traction was very poor. I'm hoping that with some lower suspension, better tyres and a wheel alignment that I can get a bit more grip. Maybe I'm expecting too much from this car after all the RWD and 4x4 cars I've had, but it's not just my driving style that's for sure!
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I'd still rather have RWD. I'm missing my BMW at the moment as my GTI has p*ss-all traction! My last few cars have been:
Subaru Impreza WRX (utter sh*te!)
AMD tuned Audi S3 8L (loved it!)
Superchipped BMW 330d coupe (wonderful!)
Audi A3 TDI Quattro 8P (horrible!)
BMW 330d convertible (lovely)
and now the mk5 GTI, which is my first FWD car since I had a Revo'd Ibiza Cupra many moons ago and I'd forgotton how poor the traction was.
I'm aware that my tyres are rubbish, but even before them, the traction was very poor. I'm hoping that with some lower suspension, better tyres and a wheel alignment that I can get a bit more grip. Maybe I'm expecting too much from this car after all the RWD and 4x4 cars I've had, but it's not just my driving style that's for sure!
A good set of tyres with full tread make a massive difference. When i was at the end of my f1 gsd3's, they were wheel hopping all over the place, it was scary. Now remapped with new tyres, it is really flying in this weather, no hopping at all.
I have had what seems some clutch slip in third gear a few times on max torque but when i try to replicate it, i cant?? Does the traction control make wheel spin seem a bit like clutch slip?? I can feel the tyres breaking traction with the traction control off, but with it on it seems the revs shoot up smoothly?? I'm paranoid now and considering turning the boost setting down. I dont want to miss the aggressive boost but i dont want to pay for a clutch at 40k :scared:
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I'd still rather have RWD. I'm missing my BMW at the moment as my GTI has p*ss-all traction! My last few cars have been:
Subaru Impreza WRX (utter sh*te!)
AMD tuned Audi S3 8L (loved it!)
Superchipped BMW 330d coupe (wonderful!)
Audi A3 TDI Quattro 8P (horrible!)
BMW 330d convertible (lovely)
and now the mk5 GTI, which is my first FWD car since I had a Revo'd Ibiza Cupra many moons ago and I'd forgotton how poor the traction was.
I'm aware that my tyres are rubbish, but even before them, the traction was very poor. I'm hoping that with some lower suspension, better tyres and a wheel alignment that I can get a bit more grip. Maybe I'm expecting too much from this car after all the RWD and 4x4 cars I've had, but it's not just my driving style that's for sure!
Pressure makes a massive difference too.
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Pressure makes a massive difference too.
Yes, you're right. I'm going to have a play around with the pressures over the next few days. I've had them at 30psi and 36psi and neither had traction though