MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: DomBacon on June 01, 2015, 10:25:15 am
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Anyone made the change over from revo to rtech?
If so was it worth it?
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first thing i would ask is what car do you have and what stage of tune are you at with it
ie what mods
@Little_Dave (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3624) recently swapped from revo to rtech the cars bhp was about the same but the 40 lb/ft torque made it worth the swap
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Ed30 currently stage 2 but I'll go stage 2 + when I make the swap over
Full custom exhaust
Forge twintake
Forge dv
Forge twintercooler
Garage midnight pcv king
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dave's is an s3 so basically the same engine i would say you would benefit the same as him dave wanted dsg mapped so it worked out 150 quid more for both over the revo dsg software on its own so he paid £150 for 40lb/ft of torque a bargain :happy2:
you will need a hpfp and rs4 valve
my ed30 stage 2+ is tuned by r-tech 364bhp - 405 lb/ft
cant recommend them enough
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Yeah I might go stage 2 + with revo now and see how the car feels once it's all set up and then if I'm still not happy with it I'll go rtech as its only £60 to go stage2+
Plus launch control haha
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Did I read a recent post on here that said Nick will not map a car with a forge dv??
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How is the shift changes now his DSG box is mapped by R Tech? :popcornsoda:
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What's wrong with a forge dv
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How is the shift changes now his DSG box is mapped by R Tech? :popcornsoda:
i think you already know the answer to that question :P
Niki prefers the stock revision g recirc valve they are the the best option for the tfsi
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Did I read a recent post on here that said Nick will not map a car with a forge dv??
He will still map it, but as Dan has said, he's not keen on them as a product (he's not all that keen on any of the current Forge products :grin:)
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Oh why is that
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Because most (if not all) of the Forge offerings for the TFSI are sh*te :signLOL:
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Did I read a recent post on here that said Nick will not map a car with a forge dv??
they also won't touch mine now it has an gfb dv+... apparently it leaks but sure that was the older version which they've since replaced. i go to amd now, much friendlier and straight to the point imo
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Yeah I might go stage 2 + with revo now and see how the car feels once it's all set up and then if I'm still not happy with it I'll go rtech as its only £60 to go stage2+
You say you're not happy. In what way and how will going 2+ cure that?
Throwing money at it is your prerogative but if it was me I would need to know why first.
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Because most (if not all) of the Forge offerings for the TFSI are sh*te :signLOL:
Just out of interest Dan, is this a proven fact or is this just your opinion?? what have you had experience with to say they are poor / not what you expected?
:happy2:
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Because most (if not all) of the Forge offerings for the TFSI are sh*te :signLOL:
Just out of interest Dan, is this a proven fact or is this just your opinion?? what have you had experience with to say they are poor / not what you expected?
:happy2:
It's Nikis view from seeing hundreds of cars come to him with forge products.
Twintake = one of worst flowing kits for K04 engined cars
Catch can = caused smoke & poor running on some cars
DV = niki seen them leak boost
Twintercooler = no better than an S3 cooler (who still buys these?? :surprised:)
As an independent tuner that doesn't sell any similar or competing products, I trust his view. A lot of the above had been evident from other people's experience too (forum posts).
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Just doesn't feel right it's weird, the reason I said about going stage2+ because revo said it might help with a hpfp and the fueling will sort itself out etc
Given the car a full service and have someone help logging the car and changing the settings if needed and go from there
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You don't have to run 2+ for a fuel pump and it's been proven that a pump will help on Stage 1 and 2 with Revo as it allows you to increase the fueling and gives you plenty of overhead on the high pressure side of things.
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I did indeed make the swap from revo to R-tech as it made a lot of sense to me
I was very happy with the revo 2+ on my s3 but also wanted to get the dsg mapped aswell, which as @DANBOY66 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8622) said is around the £500 mark with revo
After seeing the figures he got on his ed30 with pretty much identical mods it was a no brainer
My revo figures were 355/345 and once rtech mapped it was 355/400 so gained 55lbs of torque which is obviously very noticeable
Still need to get around to booking in for an rtech dsg map as on the day Niki was unable to do it as he was getting locked out, since then he's got an updated file and software
So once that is done I've basically got 55lbs of torque for free as getting both engine and dsg done by rtech is the same as the revo dsg software alone :laugh:
Well worth it :happy2:
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Because most (if not all) of the Forge offerings for the TFSI are sh*te :signLOL:
Just out of interest Dan, is this a proven fact or is this just your opinion?? what have you had experience with to say they are poor / not what you expected?
:happy2:
It's Nikis view from seeing hundreds of cars come to him with forge products.
Twintake = one of worst flowing kits for K04 engined cars
Catch can = caused smoke & poor running on some cars
DV = niki seen them leak boost
Twintercooler = no better than an S3 cooler (who still buys these?? :surprised:)
As an independent tuner that doesn't sell any similar or competing products, I trust his view. A lot of the above had been evident from other people's experience too (forum posts).
These people's experience You talk about..... You got examples?
Twin take I agree.
Catch can - thats interesting.
DV - is that due to it not being able to fit properly?
Cooler - So when mated to an s3 cooler, does it then perform worse?
My understanding is the s3 cooler is rated upto 400hp. If that's so why would the twin need to be better as after all, how many KO4 running over 400?
Having said that I recall a very interesting build on bear no to long ago running the twin cooler and power above 550 so interesting to see the above comment.
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- Twintake chokes at a certain level - stupid enclosed filters. Change them and the issue goes away
- Catch can supplied is too small, needs more volume. The make a can for the R32 which is more suitable
- DV's leak. Absolutely no reason on earth to change from a Rev G
- The S3 cooler is not 'good' for 400hp at all. A big turbo car could make 400hp on it, but that doesn't mean that it's good, effective or efficient. The Twintercooler design is damn awful in terms of flow, pressure drop etc. Again if you strap a big enough turbo on it and request enough boost, you can force numbers but that does not mean it is a good design, or efficient, or that you'll see anywhere near the numbers you want on a standard turbo compared to other, better hardware.
It needs to be put in perspective - you may get X hp with that setup, but bolt on something like the Peron, a Wellycooler setup, and suddenly you'll have Xhp + an additional Y hp
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Because most (if not all) of the Forge offerings for the TFSI are sh*te :signLOL:
Just out of interest Dan, is this a proven fact or is this just your opinion?? what have you had experience with to say they are poor / not what you expected?
:happy2:
It's Nikis view from seeing hundreds of cars come to him with forge products.
Twintake = one of worst flowing kits for K04 engined cars
Catch can = caused smoke & poor running on some cars
DV = niki seen them leak boost
Twintercooler = no better than an S3 cooler (who still buys these?? :surprised:)
As an independent tuner that doesn't sell any similar or competing products, I trust his view. A lot of the above had been evident from other people's experience too (forum posts).
These people's experience You talk about..... You got examples?
Twin take I agree.
Catch can - thats interesting.
DV - is that due to it not being able to fit properly?
Cooler - So when mated to an s3 cooler, does it then perform worse?
My understanding is the s3 cooler is rated upto 400hp. If that's so why would the twin need to be better as after all, how many KO4 running over 400?
Having said that I recall a very interesting build on bear no to long ago running the twin cooler and power above 550 so interesting to see the above comment.
Dan has covered some of the answers.
Forge DV: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,78399.msg818211.html#msg818211
on the TFSI tuning Facebook group (well worth joining if you are on FB), been literally 5 people every week complaining of white smoke & poor running. Each time it was remedied by fitting OEM PCV.
I'll try to find James post from a while back where his Forge catch can caused white smoke
EDIT: restrictive Forge Catch can: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43854.msg518133.html#msg518133
Can't find any posts on the Twintake, but I recall that @RedRobin (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) removed his after noticing no gains over his OEM intercooler. Dan has the technical answer covered above :happy2:
No one seems to buy the twintercooler these days, I think that in itself says it all. . .
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I was also warned off the Twintake and the Twintercooler by an experienced and respected tuner who's opinion was based on experience.
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on the TFSI tuning Facebook group (well worth joining if you are on FB), been literally 5 people every week complaining of white smoke & poor running. Each time it was remedied by fitting OEM PCV.
I'll try to find James post from a while back where his Forge catch can caused white smoke
EDIT: restrictive Forge Catch can: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43854.msg518133.html#msg518133
Can't find any posts on the Twintake, but I recall that @RedRobin (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) removed his after noticing no gains over his OEM intercooler. Dan has the technical answer covered above :happy2:
No one seems to buy the twintercooler these days, I think that in itself says it all. . .
....NOT SO!!!! No performance issues or problems whatsoever in my case with either Forge's Catch Can or Twintake!!!!
I am now at 115,000 miles and have run both for several years and many thousands of miles.
I wrote and posted full illustrated reviews on each product but don't know if this forum has archived them or just lost them.
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what intercooler and turbo set up you got @Dan_FR (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9513)?
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on the TFSI tuning Facebook group (well worth joining if you are on FB), been literally 5 people every week complaining of white smoke & poor running. Each time it was remedied by fitting OEM PCV.
I'll try to find James post from a while back where his Forge catch can caused white smoke
EDIT: restrictive Forge Catch can: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43854.msg518133.html#msg518133
Can't find any posts on the Twintake, but I recall that @RedRobin (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) removed his after noticing no gains over his OEM intercooler. Dan has the technical answer covered above :happy2:
No one seems to buy the twintercooler these days, I think that in itself says it all. . .
....NOT SO!!!! No performance issues or problems whatsoever in my case with either Forge's Catch Can or Twintake!!!!
I am now at 115,000 miles and have run both for several years and many thousands of miles.
I wrote and posted full illustrated reviews on each product but don't know if this forum has archived them or just lost them.
Not disputing your catch can or Twintake (i didnt mention that above)- although i beleive you were aware of the catch can issue with james car (you've commented on his BT), and the poor performance of the Twintake on K04 cars (you updated your review to refect this).
I was specifically asking about the Twintercooler (not Twintake - my bad) :happy2:
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I have had this 'white smoke' issue on my Edition 30, took off the forge DV, Revo catch can, and fitted a Rev G PCV and OEM Diverter and problem solved :happy2:
I too am debating whether to swap from Revo to Rtech, not 100% on the Revo just feels a bit flat and boring now tbh...
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on the TFSI tuning Facebook group (well worth joining if you are on FB), been literally 5 people every week complaining of white smoke & poor running. Each time it was remedied by fitting OEM PCV.
I'll try to find James post from a while back where his Forge catch can caused white smoke
EDIT: restrictive Forge Catch can: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43854.msg518133.html#msg518133
Can't find any posts on the Twintake, but I recall that @RedRobin (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) removed his after noticing no gains over his OEM intercooler. Dan has the technical answer covered above :happy2:
No one seems to buy the twintercooler these days, I think that in itself says it all. . .
....NOT SO!!!! No performance issues or problems whatsoever in my case with either Forge's Catch Can or Twintake!!!!
I am now at 115,000 miles and have run both for several years and many thousands of miles.
I wrote and posted full illustrated reviews on each product but don't know if this forum has archived them or just lost them.
They should still be there @RedRobin (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) . Nothing has been removed to my knowledge.
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Maybe your cars ain't taken well to the map and will benefit more from a custom.
My REVO pulls well has good figures and I love driving my car.
I got a good deal on the REVO map otherwise I would have went r tech. I factored in the time, effort and cost to go RTECH Vs REVO and it made sense for me to get the REVO map.
If you do go r tech and just so happen to have the REVO sps pro, I'll take that off your hands :grin:
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....NOT SO!!!! No performance issues or problems whatsoever in my case with either Forge's Catch Can or Twintake!!!!
I am now at 115,000 miles and have run both for several years and many thousands of miles.
I wrote and posted full illustrated reviews on each product but don't know if this forum has archived them or just lost them.
They should still be there @RedRobin (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) . Nothing has been removed to my knowledge.
....Cheers, Rich. To be honest I haven't looked yet. I ought to find them and post links here but that's job #432!
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on the TFSI tuning Facebook group (well worth joining if you are on FB), been literally 5 people every week complaining of white smoke & poor running. Each time it was remedied by fitting OEM PCV.
I'll try to find James post from a while back where his Forge catch can caused white smoke
EDIT: restrictive Forge Catch can: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43854.msg518133.html#msg518133
Can't find any posts on the Twintake, but I recall that @RedRobin (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=13) removed his after noticing no gains over his OEM intercooler. Dan has the technical answer covered above :happy2:
No one seems to buy the twintercooler these days, I think that in itself says it all. . .
....NOT SO!!!! No performance issues or problems whatsoever in my case with either Forge's Catch Can or Twintake!!!!
I am now at 115,000 miles and have run both for several years and many thousands of miles.
I wrote and posted full illustrated reviews on each product but don't know if this forum has archived them or just lost them.
Not disputing your catch can or Twintake (i didnt mention that above)- although i beleive you were aware of the catch can issue with james car (you've commented on his BT), and the poor performance of the Twintake on K04 cars (you updated your review to refect this).
I was specifically asking about the Twintercooler (not Twintake - my bad) :happy2:
I think my Twintercooler is great Graeme :happy2:
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Anyone got part numbers for the new pcv and dv?
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Anyone got part numbers for the new pcv and dv?
PCV - 06F 129 101 R
Diverter Valve - 06F 145 710 G