| make/model | 17 | 18 | 19 | compound | road legal |
| Dunlop DZ02G | ? | ? | ? | ??? | ? |
| Dunlop DZ03Gs | ? | ? | ? | ??? | ? |
| Hankook Ventus K107s | ? | ? | ? | ??? | ? |
| Hankook RS2 Z212 | ? | ? | ? | ??? | ? |
| Kumho V70As | ? | ? | ? | ??? | ? |
| Michelin Pilot Sport Cup | ? | ? | ? | ??? | ? |
| Toyo R1R | ? | ? | ? | ??? | ? |
| Toyo R888 | ? | ? | ? | ??? | ? |
| Pirelli P-Zero Corsa | ? | ? | ? | ??? | ? |
| Yokohama AO48-R | ? | ? | ? | ??? | ? |
| Yokohama advan neova ad08 | ? | ? | ? | ??? | ? |
as i know bridgestone re55s is one of the best tyres. But they are only for track days...
and for JDM market
here is a link, btw: http://www.bridgestone.com.au/tyres/motorsport/RE55s.aspx
they have 3 compounds:
tt - medium soft
wt - soft
sr - hard.
cheers
Oh my, good choice.
Considering it's wet and cold, you're not even getting close to seeing the benefits yet - wait till you've got them like chewing gum on a warm day :evilgrin:
Welcome to the world of grip TC :happy2:
What made you choose Dunlops over R1R's?
R1Rs have been getting some bad press for overheating on track with heavy cars, great fast road tyre though.
Club MSV run novice events, or look for anyone doing sessioned stuff and get in the newby group - you'll be fine. A few friends are doing Oulton on the 7th of April, I'm planning to go and laugh. Book on that and I'll guide you round.
http://www.circuit-days.co.uk/event_details.php?venue_id=&event_id=285
Failing that, I think the next one I do will be Anglesey in June after the Ring in May.
im interested to see how they wear.
The R1R rubber is the same construction and compound as the R888's with just the tyre tread being different. :happy2:
well thats exactly half the treadware rating of the vredesteins i have. they are prob good for about 12k id guess, so if the R1Rs were to last half as long you'd be looking at 6k lifespan.
do you reckon these tyres have been brought out due to is upcoming law to ban road legal rack tyres from the road
well thats exactly half the treadware rating of the vredesteins i have. they are prob good for about 12k id guess, so if the R1Rs were to last half as long you'd be looking at 6k lifespan.
do you reckon these tyres have been brought out due to is upcoming law to ban road legal rack tyres from the road
Toyo R888
These were the first 'R' rated tyre I ever used. After driving on Goodyear Eagle DSG3's or Yokohama Parada Spec2's which I thought were great, it was a revelation driving on a track orientated tyre.
The dry grip was a huge improvement over a standard road tyre. Turn in and feel was much better, this is due to the sidewalls on R tyres being much stiffer than a conventional tyre and the compound being a 'stickier' one than a normal road tyre. The R888's allowed longer sessions on track without overheating, the treadblocks are larger, allowing less movement than usual.
The tyres are very temperature dependant and certainly need a few minutes on track to get some heat into them before they start offering good levels of grip. Varying the pressures to get a good feel and grip took some experimenting, but once a sweet spot is found, they were fine.
The downside to this increased grip is tyre wear, as with most things in life, its a compromise between longevity and grip. On a track only car, I actually managed to get more miles out of a set simply because the normal road tyres overheated and started to fail with chunks of rubber breaking away from the surface after a long session. The 888's don't do that, they still overheat, but it takes longer to get them to do so.
Something I've found with 888's is a peculiar wear pattern, they seem to wear a 'groove' about 1/3 of the way in from the edge. Varying pressure doesn't seem to change it and I think its down to the geometry and FWD nature of my car.
Yokohama A048
After hearing many positive things about A048's, I decided to take the plunge, buy a new set and see what they are like for myself. I've only run R888's as track tyres before and know what they feel like in most conditions now. I have a good idea of what life to expect out of a set and how they perform when hot or cold.
Had a set of A048's fitted in Medium 195/50/15 in March 2009, Heat cycled them at Silverstone in May and decided to try them out at Cadwell in June.
First time I turned into Charlies, the steering felt MUCH heavier than before, I immediately commented on it to my passenger. Over the next few laps, once they warmed up, I could feel the sidewallls were much harder. The car usually has a strange 'bounce' when cornering under load, its the tyre wall flexing and I can always feel it. I'm used to it and its not a problem, but the A048's don't do that and it makes the turn in feel much sharper, but required more steering effort.
The A048's didn't overheat and grip wise seemed as good as the r888's.
From first impressions, if they cost the same as 888's, I'd got for the Yokohama's.
Dunlop DZ02
I also tried a part worn set of the DZ02's. I'd put them somewhere between the r888's and A048's. Definitely can feel the sidewall flexing, more than the A048's but not as much as the 888's.
Grip wise they seemed good, but these have had a few more heat cycles than the others and didn't seem quite as progressive, once the grip started to go, it fell off much quicker than the other two, however, I only did a couple of dry sessions with them, I need to do more laps to really get a feel for them and get them fully warmed up.
Like most things, these views are subjective so what I prefer, on my car with my driving style may be totally unsuitable for you.
Kumho V70a (Hard compound)
My initial thoughts (these may be partly due to the tyres been old and cycled several times.)
- They take longer to warm up than the r888's, Direzzas or A048's.
- The squeal more than the 888's, Direzzas or A048's
- The grip feels to be slightly less, but the GPS traces don't really back this up. Perhaps I'm driving them the same as the others, but using more of the available grip?
- They are wearing FAR FAR better than any other 'R' tyre I've used before.
- Sidewalls seem to be somewhere between the 888's and the A048's. Probably not quite as stiff as the A048's, but close.
I am definitely buying a set of these for my next track tyres instead of r888's or A048's. They are what I was hoping the A048's would be, similar grip to the Toyo's but longer life, I find the A048's better than the Toyos, but the life is disappointing.
The only thing I'm undecided on is should I go is compound. The hard compound may not be perfect for UK tracks, the hard does seem to take a while to heat up on my Golf, on heavier / more powerful cars, that may not be an issue, but the medium would probably be better in my case for shorter sessions and would offer more grip too.
Overall, I like the Kumho V70a's, a LOT. I managed around 70 laps out of my A048's before they were pretty much worn out. I did over 100 laps (at similar pace) on the part worn Kumho's and they still had life left.
Well, now i've done some kilometers on the Toyo R1R (225/40-18) and they are growing on me, the noise is actually not that bad, the grip is more than excellent, and no problems in the wet so far, even with standing water.
So all in all i will give it 9 out of 10 for being oversteer inducing, grippy as h***, compared to the normal ultra high performance tire. And acceptable road noise. :happy2:
I'm also happy with my V70a k90 on 225/45/17 but in the future I'd like to go for 245/40/17.
Now, there are several problems :
1) 225 go on my OEM denvers (7.5'' rim) wich is also the recommended width.
For the 245, the say the minimum would be 8'' but recommended is 8.5''.
8''x17 rims are common but 8.5''x17 not so much and more for the japanese cars.
Is it any danger on running a 245 R-compound on 8'' rim and a very heavy car ?
2) OEM denvers have an ET of 51.
Wich ET would be best for 245 in order to avoid fender rubbing on the outside and damper
rubbing on the inside ?
Don't want to mod the fenders and as you can see in the sig I have B16 + large sway-bars
so the car doesn't lean too much.
On a side note, If I'll have to raise the car in order to avoid fender rubbing, I might be loosing
negative camber wich may take away some/all of the benefit of using larger tires !?!?
how about these for track day tyres
Federal 595RS-R track day tyres
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.ohozaa.com%2Fib%2F595rsr.jpg&hash=5f071e69e73f97dc53b69ed9570165185f3b0ae7)
They re £50 a tyre cheaper than R888s and googling them has resulted in finding quite alot of threads with people whpo used to use R888s and say these are nearly as good in the dry and better in the wet.
Apparently they are loud, but so are the R888s.
Are those federals road legal??
£50 per tyre cheaper than R888s. for mine the Federals are £97, and R888s are £147+
thats a saving of £200 per set, so for a trackday tyre which is merely there to be destroyed, i think this could be a no brainer
^^^^
If you're enjoying yourself on a trackday who cares about the noise?
And if you're driving to and from a trackday with them on (assuming legal in the UK) then that doesn't matter either does it?
Is it me or are many of these track day type tyres not available in 18"'s????
Probably looking at a 245/35.
20mm or so and you want to drop to a 35 as that's a percentage, not a measurement... it should just about be the same rolling radius as a 225/40.
Michelin PS2/3, Conti sport contact, Dunlop asym 2... anything premium and considered a sport tyre.
Same in rolling radius, give or take a few mm, so yes - you shouldn't notice any change in speedo readings, it'll just be wider on the rim and not look stretched. Track tyres although listed in the same sizes tend to be a bid wider as they're more square at the shoulder.
What offset are your wheels, that'll be the next concern - have you got another 10mm either side to play with in terms of room off the arch lip and strut?
R1-R is a goof choice (like Yokohama AD08, Kumho KU36 and the likes)
if you don't want a real semi-slick.
I'd go for the 235. But there will will an issue with the ET42. It will cause rub.
So better go for ET50 and there's more space for the 235/40.
Tyre size calculator link (http://www.etyres.co.uk/tyre-size-calculator.htm)That is a handy link, thanks. :happy2:
recommended tyre per width (http://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/equivalency-tables-advice.html)I don't agree with this one though. I'm looking at the 9.0 inch wide rim - and both Toyo and Michelin say you can go up to 275 width - wheras that site says a max of 265. :smiley:
Well Hurdy, the Federal 595 RS-R are NOT semislicks. These are "extreme" performance tires (same as Michelin PS3, Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric, etc).Does not compute - the PS3s, whilst being a v.good tyre, are NOT an "extreme" performance tyre.
The semislicks Federal makes are FZ-201 or FZ-202.
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Well Hurdy, the Federal 595 RS-R are NOT semislicks. These are "extreme" performance tires (same as Michelin PS3, Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric, etc).Does not compute - the PS3s, whilst being a v.good tyre, are NOT an "extreme" performance tyre.
The semislicks Federal makes are FZ-201 or FZ-202.
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Maybe that was a typo, and you meant Michelin PSS. :happy2:
John. Silverstone FTZ Type RR. :wink:
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/competition-tyres/silverstone-ftz-type-rr-tarmac-tyre
Oh and the Federal's were available for £443 inc VAT and delivery for a set of four. :happy2:
By comparison the Yokohama's were just over £600.
The Silverstones are £552 before delivery cost.
John. Silverstone FTZ Type RR. :wink:
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/competition-tyres/silverstone-ftz-type-rr-tarmac-tyre
One reason I didn't look at those was that they don't have the OEM size as an option Luke. :smiley:
It isn't a major consideration, but when the tyres both had good reviews I thought I'd give them a go. This will be my third set of tyres and I've only had the car since last October - 4 months. :surprised:
John. Silverstone FTZ Type RR. :wink:
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/competition-tyres/silverstone-ftz-type-rr-tarmac-tyre
One reason I didn't look at those was that they don't have the OEM size as an option Luke. :smiley:
You dont need an exact match for track days John! :wink: The Federals are primarily high performance road tyres as already stated. Good yes, but not the same as a real track tyre.
Hurdy, that's what many Federal owners had:
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The Toyo R888 is FAR better in the dry than the Federal. :wink:
Some time ago I posted this on another forum as a guideline:
in alphabetical order:
UHP, proper street tyrers capable for light track use:
- Bridgestone RE050A
- Conti SC 5P
- Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 (discontinued, but still very good)
- Michelin Pilot SuperSport (sadly for the Golf only 19" - but the best of these group)
- Pirelli P Zero (without Rosso/Nero ad)
extreme performance, between semi and street:
- Bridgestone RE070 (only in 225/45 R17 + 20'')
- Dunlop Direzza Sport z1 Starspec (avail. in the USA)
- Dunlop SP600 (Nissan GT-R)
- Federal 595 RS-R (splicing issues)
- Hankook R-S2 (new R-S3 seems to be better)
- Kumho XS KU36 (+ predecessor KU15)
- Toyo R1-R
- Yokohama AD08 (best of it's class)
semi slick tyrers, true track type:
- Bridgestone RE55 + new RE11s
- Conti ForceContact
- Dunlop Direzza 03G (ultimately the best)
- Dunlop SportMaxx Race (new)
- Hankook TD z221 (new)
- Kumho V70a
- Michelin PS Cup/Cup+
- Pirelli P Zero Corsa
- Pirelli P Zero Trofeo
- Toyo R888
- Yokohama A048R
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From what I've read, that problem was addressed a while back - but bad news sticks.
Dale at Rent4Ring had most of the fleet on these, with no issues, They've also been used as the control tyre in the MX5 Cup, again, no issues.
I see what you mean about the splicing issue. Have there been many others like this. Do they know what causes it?
Could it be cold conditions? Or did it happen on a track day?
The 595RSRs are being used in a few race series now. So they cant be that bad
Jake, feel free to modify this table !! :drinking:
FAQ to be precisely. :evilgrin:
The Toyo R888 is FAR better in the dry than the Federal. :wink:
Some time ago I posted this on another forum as a guideline:
in alphabetical order:
UHP, proper street tyrers capable for light track use:
- Bridgestone RE050A
- Conti SC 5P
- Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 (discontinued, but still very good)
- Michelin Pilot SuperSport (sadly for the Golf only 19" - but the best of these group)
- Pirelli P Zero (without Rosso/Nero ad)
extreme performance, between semi and street:
- Bridgestone RE070 (only in 225/45 R17 + 20'')
- Dunlop Direzza Sport z1 Starspec (avail. in the USA)
- Dunlop SP600 (Nissan GT-R)
- Federal 595 RS-R (splicing issues)
- Hankook R-S2 (new R-S3 seems to be better)
- Kumho XS KU36 (+ predecessor KU15)
- Toyo R1-R
- Yokohama AD08 (best of it's class)
semi slick tyrers, true track type:
- Bridgestone RE55 + new RE11s
- Conti ForceContact
- Dunlop Direzza 03G (ultimately the best)
- Dunlop SportMaxx Race (new)
- Hankook TD z221 (new)
- Kumho V70a
- Michelin PS Cup/Cup+
- Pirelli P Zero Corsa
- Pirelli P Zero Trofeo
- Toyo R888
- Yokohama A048R
They are very predictable, which is invaluable in a tyre and for me are okay to use as a daily tyre as well as the odd track day. :smiley:
They are very predictable, which is invaluable in a tyre and for me are okay to use as a daily tyre as well as the odd track day. :smiley:
So thats now 3 threads that Bruce is posting in, adamant that his opinion is the only one that is correct :fighting2:
I can admit I'm wrong :innocent:
So thats now 3 threads that Bruce is posting in, adamant that his opinion is the only one that is correct :fighting2:
I still have them as well, Hurdy. I never minded they were as good at cornering as the R1-R.
But you shurely won't deny that many people had the splicing issues you can read about
on many forums..
The Paradas are no 'milestone' at all. They are crap. :booty:
Hi Guys,
Going to do my first track day! I plan to use my existing fast road tyres which are Conti sport 3. Will they overheat easily and need to take a break every couple of laps? Also they are almost new on front, shall I expect them gone after the event??
Thanks a mill
Paul
Which track are you doing? Some tracks are ALOT harder on tyres than others.
Keep it smooth and 10-15 minutes should be realistic, start spinning up or winding too much lock on and you'll cook them in a couple of laps.
I took the clutter out on Conti 5s and they were fine, its just a case of getting your pressures right. Start at say 32 cold and see how they're feeling and wearing.
If they feel greasy you've got them too high, come in, rather than have an off.
They should be scrubbing just at the shoulder, if you notice any scrubbing on the sidewall, you've got them too low.
Janner_Sy can you please post the link where you found that information?
I am particularly interested in Dunlop 03G and Kumho V70a. Thank you!
I agree that doesn't sound right as the Dunlop Winter Sport 4D's I have recently put on the GTD has a Wet Grip rating of E according to Camskill.
2. If you can afford to, buy both a semislick and a road tire. The semislick are far better than the normal road tire on a track that has very good grip.
Concerning longevity, I was really surprised of how well the Asymmetric 1 behaved. As long as you are not killing the car (mostly with heavy understeer) it should be ok.
thanks a mill Rex that's very helpful! My plan is to do max 1 track day a month and have only 1 set of tyres on monzas 2 so the tyres must be able to cope on wet/cold in winter months etc. Also I do 12k miles annually so ideally this one set of tyres should be ok for 1 year of driving daily and occassional track days.
Second set of tyres is not an option now as I will be doing only 12 track days max in a year. Unless I will discover that cost of regular tires due to wear exceeds maintaining two sets of tyres with new alloys as only have 1 set...
Ad048 are 80 wear too
A fine choice, I love those tyres. They like camber to really get that sticky outer edge working.
I remember doing a track day at Anglesey when I first got them, put them on when it dried out and the difference from the PS2s was night and day. I swapped back to drive home and nearly understeered into the sea, totally had to reprogram my brain again.
:signLOL:
Still one of the very best semis. :happy2:
Just wonder why you wanna drive them daily, Jake. Or is it just kind of Danish humor? :laugh:
:drinking:
Ad048 are 80 wear too
Ad048 are 80 wear too
Each brand uses their own wear rate so 80 for one is not the same for another Brand. Totally crazy i know. :chicken: