MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 07:12:32 am
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I'm sat here waiting for VW Assistance/RAC.. Went to start up my car to then go to JKM and.. Ignition lights on.. Tick-tik-tik-tik-tik and no fire up. I'm guessing it's battery related or could be coilpack? Car hasn't been driven for a few days but is garaged.

I'll report here what is discovered but meanwhile if anyone has any clues or has had similar experience.....  :sad1:

Meanwhile : -

Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: QD MBE on December 10, 2009, 07:23:12 am
I reckon the Battery is goosed! 
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: WhiteGTI on December 10, 2009, 07:27:58 am
So its a ticking, not the noise of the car turning over? Yeah sounds like battery also.

Although the same thing happened to the Lotus last Winter, and it turned out to just be a little damp through a combination of the weather and no use, 1/2 hour of hairdrying the engine and it fired up without any problems!
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 07:30:01 am

I reckon the Battery is goosed!  


....Or even gandered! :grin:

Something like this has happened before - My car doesn't like not being driven for even just a few days.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 07:33:09 am
^^^^
Yes, Chris, it's just tick-tik-tik'ing so the money is on the battery being the problem.

Although I have long hair I don't have a hair dryer. I wonder if the RAC man does!? "Ooooh, what seems to be the trouble, sweetie?"
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: edd666999 on December 10, 2009, 07:33:43 am

I reckon the Battery is goosed!  


....Or even gandered! :grin:

Something like this has happened before - My car doesn't like not being driven for even just a few days.

its trying to tell you something  :grin:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 07:36:49 am

its trying to tell you something  :grin:


....No wonder I've driven her 77,000 miles - It's not me, my car is a mechanical nymphomaniac!
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2009, 07:38:39 am
99% sure its battery. mine did it when we fitted TFSI_mikes ITG. atnight. had my car parked with the lights on, thought i best run the engine for a bit and it just started to make this high frequency clicking noise.

you off to have your twintake fitted??
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2009, 07:41:23 am
Could pay to pick up one of those battery charger packs or instead pick yourself up a new battery if it does that.

Mine started first time after 4 months away in iraq.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2009, 07:42:07 am
wonder if your revo settings will go to b0 f0 t0 then?
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: john_o on December 10, 2009, 07:42:30 am
she's trying to tell you she doesnt want the Twintake but the ITG .......
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 07:43:28 am

99% sure its battery..

you off to have your twintake fitted??


....Yep, Twintake is packed and in the boot. I'm hoping Kate can still fit me into their usually busy schedules later this morning.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2009, 07:44:50 am

99% sure its battery..

you off to have your twintake fitted??


....Yep, Twintake is packed and in the boot. I'm hoping Kate can still fit me into their usually busy schedules later this morning.

the forum members have forbidden to leave JKM before you have done a before and after dyno run though
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 07:46:21 am

Could pay to pick up one of those battery charger packs or instead pick yourself up a new battery if it does that.

Mine started first time after 4 months away in iraq.


....After 4 months! That's very impressive!

I think I saw a thread about battery chargers here but haven't read any of it yet.  :drinking:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 07:48:52 am

she's trying to tell you she doesnt want the Twintake but the ITG .......


.... :signLOL: Cheeky bugger!

So that's why the ITG uses foam - To soak up the damp  :evilgrin:

Must go.... RAC man is here.... 48 mins = excellent service!  :happy2:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2009, 07:50:25 am
she's trying to tell you she doesnt want the Twintake but the ITG .......
So that's why the ITG uses foam - To soak up the damp  :evilgrin:

 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: QD MBE on December 10, 2009, 07:57:50 am

I reckon the Battery is goosed!  


....Or even gandered! :grin:

Something like this has happened before - My car doesn't like not being driven for even just a few days.

There may be a power drain issue.  I know that problems have reared their heads when the Can-Bus module goes TU.  It allows a constant drain on the battery.  So after a few days the battery is flat.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Hedge on December 10, 2009, 08:01:13 am
I don't know if Robin has an aftermarket stereo or not but that might not help.

Hopefully he has his Select Plus switch and is able to restore his Revo settings or it will be a long journey to JKM.  :P
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: animal on December 10, 2009, 09:42:41 am

I reckon the Battery is goosed!  


....Or even gandered! :grin:

Something like this has happened before - My car doesn't like not being driven for even just a few days.

There may be a power drain issue.  I know that problems have reared their heads when the Can-Bus module goes TU.  It allows a constant drain on the battery.  So after a few days the battery is flat.

I was thinking the same thing... There must  be trickle to something somewhere as there's no way a battery should be flat like that in just a couple of days. My Fiancee's car is laid up for weeks at a time in the garage (with an alarm) and always fires first time. It's much older than an GTI could possibly be (W reg) and is still on its orginal battery.

At least if the Revo has been reset RR is headed in the right direct to get it sorted. God speed RR - looking forward to the review (even though it'll be an ITG for me. Function over form and all that...)  :happy2:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Garth on December 10, 2009, 10:03:12 am
Do you have a 3rd gen head unit (i.e. RNS510)? If so, there is a 1.3V power drain issue on the early mk5's with 3rd gen head units unless you replace the can gateway to a newer one. This would only show itself if the car is not drivn for a couple of days.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Andy on December 10, 2009, 12:26:42 pm
sounds to me like the battery needs replacing :smiley:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 10, 2009, 02:44:37 pm
Sounds like his Fog lamps DRL's are draining his battery  :driver:

Battery life in a car of around 4 years has done well, with the damp weather, the dead cell will drain the others.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: QD MBE on December 10, 2009, 03:49:53 pm
Sounds like his Fog lamps DRL's are draining his battery  :driver:

Battery life in a car of around 4 years has done well, with the damp weather, the dead cell will drain the others.

Steven!!!

 :wink:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: tony_danza on December 10, 2009, 03:54:06 pm
Its fooked - burn it out.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: animal on December 10, 2009, 03:57:17 pm
Its fooked - burn it out.

User error?

If the Twintake was fitted, I'd blame that...
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2009, 04:03:53 pm
At least if the Revo has been reset RR is headed in the right direct to get it sorted. God speed RR - looking forward to the review (even though it'll be an ITG for me. Function over form and all that...)  :happy2:

haha, cheeky cheeky. RR  will be sick at the thought of function over form. keep that to hush hush whispers. looking forward to his review. Veryu interested to see whatthe gains are?
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2009, 05:55:31 pm
99% sure its battery. mine did it when we fitted TFSI_mikes ITG. atnight. had my car parked with the lights on, thought i best run the engine for a bit and it just started to make this high frequency clicking noise.

you off to have your twintake fitted??

And charging your sat nav lol


Could pay to pick up one of those battery charger packs or instead pick yourself up a new battery if it does that.

Mine started first time after 4 months away in iraq.


....After 4 months! That's very impressive!

I think I saw a thread about battery chargers here but haven't read any of it yet.  :drinking:

Cupra fired straight away after 6.5 months in afghan too :D


Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2009, 05:57:36 pm

I reckon the Battery is goosed!  


....Or even gandered! :grin:

Something like this has happened before - My car doesn't like not being driven for even just a few days.

Sounds more like its bungalowed....   :signIWS:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: jonnyc on December 10, 2009, 05:59:05 pm
Sounds more like its bungalowed....   :signIWS:

Totally and utterly gazebo'd!
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2009, 06:09:08 pm
Sounds more like its bungalowed....   :signIWS:

Totally and utterly gazebo'd!

Seen his new one?

RR surely there's somthing in your man draw that'l get the car started??
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 10, 2009, 06:10:37 pm
^^His famous flute  :wink:

Where is he!!!, Robins directional sense normally is exemplerary :signLOL:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 07:08:59 pm
^^^^
What a great banter, guys!  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

And not just banter but moral and technical support  :drinking:

The nice RAC/VWassist man got her going.. Battery.. 4.75 years old so has done quite well.. Should have been put on a slow recharge last time this happened about 18 months ago.. I hadn't driven her for 1 week and what had kept the battery going before was regular miles.

Arrived at JKM later than planned but no problem to them. Decided not to muck about with recharges etc and bought a brand new VW battery with full warranty (2 years I think but might be 3).

JamesGTI turned up at JKM - Very very nice new wheels, even when dirty. Great to have a longer chat than we have been able to in the past - Top guy :happy2:. His mum is quite amusing too! She's wondering when her garage will have space once again what with all the oem bits off James' car.

Yes, my Revo got wiped back to 'stock' but I have a Select, not Select Plus switch. So my journey to JKM was back to Boost 7!

Twintake?..  :wink: - Review coming very soon now - You'll have to wait.. Tee Hee  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 07:12:50 pm

There may be a power drain issue.  I know that problems have reared their heads when the Can-Bus module goes TU.  It allows a constant drain on the battery.  So after a few days the battery is flat.


It's normally ok after just a few days but very good point, Dave, and I need to look into that. :drinking:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2009, 07:13:01 pm


Twintake?..  :wink: - Review coming very soon now - You'll have to wait.. Tee Hee  :evilgrin:

Havent pulled my finger out, yet.  Although I see Steve has beat me to it  :ashamed:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2009, 07:14:40 pm

Odd that it had power to make the click click click (as sy mentioned his did the other night) but was completely kapputt.

Sy left his for 5 - 10 mins and it then had enough juice to crank the engine
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: JPC on December 10, 2009, 07:17:23 pm
Glad it was nothing more sinister than a battery. And 48 mins for rac!? That's a long time! Tell them your a lone 18 yr old next time!
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: 182_blue on December 10, 2009, 07:17:48 pm

Odd that it had power to make the click click click (as sy mentioned his did the other night) but was completely kapputt.

Sy left his for 5 - 10 mins and it then had enough juice to crank the engine

mine did it yesterday, lots of click click click, mine hadnt been driven for two weeks and then i had been using the ignition to update the headunit (about 4 hours) so i drained the battery just enough for it not to start :laugh:, i assume my Bluefin is still installed ?
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 07:20:19 pm
^^^^
I've already drafted the info about how and why the Twintake - So be forewarned that the review is long. My reasoning being that it's a strange intake system and I gathered a lot of info to various questions and I'm hoping that such info will either be of interest or helpful to people's understanding.

Also, I know I'm basically a very enthusiastic person about the products I buy but I do search for faults and my forthcoming review is not without minus points.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: animal on December 10, 2009, 07:20:57 pm

Odd that it had power to make the click click click (as sy mentioned his did the other night) but was completely kapputt.

Sy left his for 5 - 10 mins and it then had enough juice to crank the engine

mine did it yesterday, lots of click click click, mine hadnt been driven for two weeks and then i had been using the ignition to update the headunit (about 4 hours) so i drained the battery just enough for it not to start :laugh:, i assume my Bluefin is still installed ?

It's different to Revo.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Phil Mcavity on December 10, 2009, 07:23:38 pm
^^^^
I've already drafted the info about how and why the Twintake - So be forewarned that the review is long. My reasoning being that it's a strange intake system and I gathered a lot of info to various questions and I'm hoping that such info will either be of interest or helpful to people's understanding.

Also, I know I'm basically a very enthusiastic person about the products I buy but I do search for faults and my forthcoming review is not without minus points.
Looking foward to your thoughts Mr Proctor  :happy2:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: 182_blue on December 10, 2009, 07:29:49 pm

Odd that it had power to make the click click click (as sy mentioned his did the other night) but was completely kapputt.

Sy left his for 5 - 10 mins and it then had enough juice to crank the engine

mine did it yesterday, lots of click click click, mine hadnt been driven for two weeks and then i had been using the ignition to update the headunit (about 4 hours) so i drained the battery just enough for it not to start :laugh:, i assume my Bluefin is still installed ?

It's different to Revo.

that means its still on then ? :laugh:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 08:19:12 pm
^^^^
Re battery disconnection swiping a remap off:

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but IIRC Revo only does it because at some time in the past, customers asked for it to swipe. No, I don't know the customer reasoning but it's what Carl @ Revo told me IIRC.

On the other hand, to disconnect the battery is possibly like a total ECU systems shutdown and it automatically reverts to default - but I'm just guessing.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: MitchGTI on December 10, 2009, 08:31:17 pm
Looking Forward to your review robin and your results! I hope your as happy as i am with it!? And the "rubbish" heatshield! Lol :P
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Smudgster on December 10, 2009, 09:52:02 pm
looking forward to the review as im very close to ordering one!!!!!
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2009, 09:53:24 pm
looking forward to the review as im very close to ordering one!!!!!

hes taking his time. im knackered.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: gazbutS3 on December 10, 2009, 09:54:05 pm
Did Kate pass my message on Robin?
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2009, 09:55:43 pm
was that that ITG is way betterer than forge :grin:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: gazbutS3 on December 10, 2009, 09:58:07 pm
ha ha ha, no, I was on the phone making a purchase and remembered Robin was supposed to be there, but Kate said he was running late, I know why now :smiley:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 09:59:14 pm
looking forward to the review as im very close to ordering one!!!!!

hes taking his time. im knackered.


....Sorry, guys. I think I've just completed the text and so it's now pics and ideally I should take some overall pics tomorrow morning.

I'm knackered too - I've been on the go non-stop since 6:00am (0600 hrs to you!).

I've got the graphs ready but I'm not going to give you any clues  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 10:03:58 pm

Did Kate pass my message on Robin?


....Ah! yes! She did, but we didn't know who you were until now because you used your real name and not gaz.

:drinking:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 10, 2009, 10:08:01 pm

was that that ITG is way betterer than forge :grin:


....It's funny that that's what I only hear from folks who have bought the ITG  :evilgrin:

But banter apart, major respect to ITG.. And you'll still have to wait until tomorrow for my results.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2009, 10:09:16 pm
looking forward to the review as im very close to ordering one!!!!!

hes taking his time. im knackered.


....Sorry, guys. I think I've just completed the text and so it's now pics and ideally I should take some overall pics tomorrow morning.

I'm knackered too - I've been on the go non-stop since 6:00am (0600 hrs to you!).


Thats nearly lunch time to me  :P

Graphs  :party:
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2009, 10:11:07 pm

was that that ITG is way betterer than forge :grin:


....It's funny that that's what I only hear from folks who have bought the ITG  :evilgrin:

But banter apart, major respect to ITG.. And you'll still have to wait until tomorrow for my results.

cruel, very cruel. no review at all then.
Title: Re: GTI K03 car won't start....
Post by: RedRobin on December 11, 2009, 06:43:27 pm

cruel, very cruel. no review at all then.


....Please read my post in the 'sweepstakes' thread for an update of the Twintake review.

Re my new battery - It's amazing how fast everything now zaps into life now. My previous battery must have been very tired.