MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: matsu on December 11, 2009, 08:33:58 am
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:ashamed: :confused:i seem to keep coming back to look at these.....
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250543937029&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
this is sorta how they would look, but on BMP
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fvv264%2Fmatsu66%2FP71200691.jpg&hash=f3205422c78fcbedd95d4f7445cca8589b313351)
and seeing as iv had a bit of grief over my other lites its these ............or some LEDs later in the spring, but not so sure about full leds on a bmp?
heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllp meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
matsu
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Getting something similar fitting to mine over the weekend (hopefully)...
I'll get some pictures up once done :)
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Very shexy! I love them but there is one extremely important question: Are they legal for use on public roads in the UK?
Are they a factory item or a one-off by a mad German modifier?
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Very shexy! I love them but there is one extremely important question: Are they legal for use on public roads in the UK?
Are they a factory item or a one-off by a mad German modifier?
just what i was about to say!!! would only suit dark coloured GTI's imo
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phew.... thought it was just me-not sure about the legality of them i believe the tint allows the full strentgh of the the bulbs to come through.
anyone know about the legal side?
thanks for the input guys.. ..... i think, cos they just moved up the "must have" list :sad1:
matsu
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phew.... thought it was just me-not sure about the legality of them i believe the tint allows the full strentgh of the the bulbs to come through.
anyone know about the legal side?
thanks for the input guys.. ..... i think, cos they just moved up the "must have" list :sad1:
matsu
They look pretty illegal to me, I can't see how lenses that dark can possibly illuminate to the same level as original lamps.
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I like these... not OEM enough for my own personal car but would best on a black car I reckon, different anyway! :happy2:
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phew.... thought it was just me-not sure about the legality of them i believe the tint allows the full strentgh of the the bulbs to come through.
anyone know about the legal side?
thanks for the input guys.. ..... i think, cos they just moved up the "must have" list :sad1:
matsu
They look pretty illegal to me, I can't see how lenses that dark can possibly illuminate to the same level as original lamps.
I don't think that's the issue for the law. If the bulbs were bright enough, they could shine through. I think the issue would be that the reflectors would be useless, but in this case that's not a problem due to the R32 bumper having reflectors built in
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They look pretty illegal to me, I can't see how lenses that dark can possibly illuminate to the same level as original lamps.
....Exactly my thoughts too.
It doesn't matter how great or cool they look if the law pulls you. And even if you get stopped for something else, they'll quite rightly give your car a thorough eye over and could most likely hit you with the illegal lights.
Also, if someone crunches you in the rear and it's entirely their fault, it's conceivable that if the other party contests the blame and points towards the legality of your rear lights, the outcome could go against you.
I'm not wanting to piss on your fire, but it is a real consideration. Just check their UK legality.
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To be honest, it's more about the MoT than being pulled by the Old Bill. The reflectors are a legal requirement but the R32 rear end solves that. The rest is a little bit more subjective and is down to the descretion vehicle tester or Police officer. So long as the colour and intensity (from a 'reasonable' distance) are considered to be ok, you should be fine.
With regards to fitting higher power bulbs, this presents two further problems. The first is the extra heat generated by high-wattage bulbs and the effect this could have on the lenses and bulbs holders. The second, is the additional current they will draw and the load they will place on the wiring, which could also potentially (I stress potentially, not definitely) melt. Plus, finding higher power bulbs with the right fitment could also be an issue and/or be quite expensive. Not sure how the computer system will cope with the higher draw as well - obviously it's designed to flag a fault when a bulbs fails (based on the drop in current being drawn). It might also throw up an error (and shut off the bulb) is the draw is too high as well? But this is pure speculation.
Having never really payed any attention to it before, can anyone answer why the R32 has reflectors in the bumper and the GTI doesn't but they both use the same design of light cluster?
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Not to my personal taste at all. :sick: I think they are way to dark. But then again you may not like the things I do so all I can say is if you like them get them! It seems im the odd one out on this one anyway! :signLOL: :happy2:
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I Believe there is a limit that you have to be showing a minimum of 50% of the OEM light!
I'll have showing similar fitted this weekend if I can get the car down to the garage, so i'll post pictures once one! It's not as nice to look as at the one posted, but it does a similar thing and at the same time passes MOT's...
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Having never really payed any attention to it before, can anyone answer why the R32 has reflectors in the bumper and the GTI doesn't but they both use the same design of light cluster?
....I think it's because they were first introduced for the USA market and then production was standardised, but I don't know for sure.
Good point about the MOT rather than traffic police stops.
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thanks you guys.....NOT! the object of this thread was to put me off not all push me further down the bleeding slope :P
but i like them and think they will look ace on my bmp girl but i will check MOT wise and weigh up the costvs agg vs looking like i want.
seriously tho...thanks for all the input
matsu
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thanks you guys.....NOT! the object of this thread was to put me off not all push me further down the bleeding slope :P
but i like them and think they will look ace on my bmp girl but i will check MOT wise and weigh up the costvs agg vs looking like i want.
seriously tho...thanks for all the input
matsu
Looked into this man, you need to have 50% of light ;)
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again dude....NOT helping lol :jumpmove: :rolleye:
thanks bud
matsu
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again dude....NOT helping lol :jumpmove: :rolleye:
thanks bud
matsu
I think it looks mint! Infact I have the same colour car as the one posted! Wish mine looked that good! The lights finsh it off nicely!
The car will deffo get attention tho, some of it maybe unwanted too!!!
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There is a member on R32OC who has a black R and these lights and IMO they look :sick:
Far too much black going on and nothing breaking all the darkness up!
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ same for me & again the legal angle ?.
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just spray yours black like benny! :xmassmiley:
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thanks you guys.....NOT! the object of this thread was to put me off not all push me further down the bleeding slope :P
but i like them and think they will look ace on my bmp girl but i will check MOT wise and weigh up the costvs agg vs looking like i want.
seriously tho...thanks for all the input
matsu
Looked into this man, you need to have 50% of light ;)
Where on earth are you getting your information from?!? There's nothing in Contr. & Use regs. and MoT is all about correct colour and the reflectors. Nothing refers directly to the intensity, just that the need to be visable from a 'reasonable' distance. Care to share your 'source'?
Courtesy of my old man:
Reg 4 A lamp shall not be regarded as lamp if it is so painted over or masked that it cannot be readily put to use. (So e.g. Tint spray).
Reg 18:- All obligatory lights should be E or e marked. (Void if modified in anyway)
Reg 20:- Some optional lights should also be marked.
Reg23 Failing to maintain lights. They have to be in good working order and clean. (How visible are they? At what distance)
MOT rules say they must be clean and in good, working order and visible from a reasonable distance, but doesn't define 'distance'.
matsu I was just being objective and providing you with the facts, didn't realise you wanted an opinion. IMHO they look god-awful, you don't get more chav than blacked out tail lights - especially proper black ones like that. :sick:
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Erm...had his car fitted with similar item! He just said as long as it doesnt cover more than 50% of the light then all is fine!?
Could be wrong...
thanks you guys.....NOT! the object of this thread was to put me off not all push me further down the bleeding slope :P
but i like them and think they will look ace on my bmp girl but i will check MOT wise and weigh up the costvs agg vs looking like i want.
seriously tho...thanks for all the input
matsu
Looked into this man, you need to have 50% of light ;)
Where on earth are you getting your information from?!? There's nothing in Contr. & Use regs. and MoT is all about correct colour and the reflectors. Nothing refers directly to the intensity, just that the need to be visable from a 'reasonable' distance. Care to share your 'source'?
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Erm...had his car fitted with similar item! He just said as long as it doesnt cover more than 50% of the light then all is fine!?
Could be wrong...
thanks you guys.....NOT! the object of this thread was to put me off not all push me further down the bleeding slope :P
but i like them and think they will look ace on my bmp girl but i will check MOT wise and weigh up the costvs agg vs looking like i want.
seriously tho...thanks for all the input
matsu
Looked into this man, you need to have 50% of light ;)
Where on earth are you getting your information from?!? There's nothing in Contr. & Use regs. and MoT is all about correct colour and the reflectors. Nothing refers directly to the intensity, just that the need to be visable from a 'reasonable' distance. Care to share your 'source'?
He is. Complete BS.
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Babelfish translation....
"They offer here on professionally lasierte and orginale tail lamps of a golf 5 The lights are lasiert in a super mirror gloss, as became in the pictures to see and after the treatment not again blocked For show and Tuningzwecke suitably"
The last 5 words are the important ones :happy2:
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My interpretation of animal's dad's points suggest very strongly to me that if either a MoT inspector or an officer of the law didn't like them, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on on several of the counts listed.
That babelfish translation is shocking! But I think Hurdy is right in his interpretation of those last few words.
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thanks you guys.....NOT! the object of this thread was to put me off not all push me further down the bleeding slope :P
but i like them and think they will look ace on my bmp girl but i will check MOT wise and weigh up the costvs agg vs looking like i want.
seriously tho...thanks for all the input
matsu
Looked into this man, you need to have 50% of light ;)
Where on earth are you getting your information from?!? There's nothing in Contr. & Use regs. and MoT is all about correct colour and the reflectors. Nothing refers directly to the intensity, just that the need to be visable from a 'reasonable' distance. Care to share your 'source'?
Courtesy of my old man:
Reg 4 A lamp shall not be regarded as lamp if it is so painted over or masked that it cannot be readily put to use. (So e.g. Tint spray).
Reg 18:- All obligatory lights should be E or e marked. (Void if modified in anyway)
Reg 20:- Some optional lights should also be marked.
Reg23 Failing to maintain lights. They have to be in good working order and clean. (How visible are they? At what distance)
MOT rules say they must be clean and in good, working order and visible from a reasonable distance, but doesn't define 'distance'.
matsu I was just being objective and providing you with the facts, didn't realise you wanted an opinion. IMHO they look god-awful, you don't get more chav than blacked out tail lights - especially proper black ones like that. :sick:
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lmao animal thanks mate :happy2:
i,ll be going LED methinks...
matsu
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lmao animal thanks mate :happy2:
i,ll be going LED methinks...
matsu
Good call mate! :happy2:
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OEM ones though, yes?! :scared:
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My interpretation of animal's dad's points suggest very strongly to me that if either a MoT inspector or an officer of the law didn't like them, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on on several of the counts listed.
Precisely... Policemans rules of thumb (assuming you were already driving like a wally): 'If that's what his tail lights look like, what else is 'wrong' the car'. Hence why VW/OEM+ is the way forward - always! :happy2:
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I've been followed and stopped (for high speed in 70 limits) by unmarked police cars a few times and any comment about my car has been words to the effect: "I can see you look after your car, sir" and they've just given it a very quick but expert glance. I make a point of being legal and even contacted the local police when my front number plate dropped off - I was given something to produce in case I was stopped.
We all do things wrong occasionally and the police are just doing their job. It's best to respect them and not take the piss. Believe me, it can make a difference.
Those LED tails I've got are totally oem with all the right approvals etc. [so are my LED Daytime Running Lights but we don't talk about those!]
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I've been followed and stopped (for high speed in 70 limits) by unmarked police cars a few times and any comment about my car has been words to the effect: "I can see you look after your car, sir" and they've just given it a very quick but expert glance. I make a point of being legal and even contacted the local police when my front number plate dropped off - I was given something to produce in case I was stopped.
We all do things wrong occasionally and the police are just doing their job. It's best to respect them and not take the piss. Believe me, it can make a difference.
Those LED tails I've got are totally oem with all the right approvals etc. [so are my LED Daytime Running Lights but we don't talk about those!]
If only more people had the same attitude Robin, everyone's life would be easier.
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Problem with modifications like these is there are no strict legal/illegal guidlines. Fact is if a police officer thinks they are not legal, he will follow it through. I had dark lights on one of my old cars and got pulled over. Luckily i had the originals in the boot and said i would change them as i had just been at a show. They were cool and said they didnt want to see me with the lights on again, on ebay they went.
Same as HIDs, you might not get pulled for them or you might.
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thanks again guys
i reckon i will go with german supplier on the other thread and get them changed so they are legal.
methinks i,m getting too old to try play silly bug##rs with local plod all the time!
but there is this lil gremlin inside me that hates the fact i,m told what to do by some faceless doddering old fart who is claiming four houses expenses employing his mistress as an "assistant" on my expense and probably wouldnt know one end of a car from the other whilst laying down legislation that no one needs or wants........end of rant :sad1:hee hee
matsu
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Some traffic cops do know their laws on modded cars, others don't know jack.
As for tinted/smoked rears, the important bit is reflectors. These need to be visible so others know that there's a vehicle that's parked. Hence if you smoke your rear lights, then fitting reflectors is a way round this.
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Heres my something similar :)
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8330.30
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Little blue peter tip - cover your tail lights with a pair of your old girls finest tights (the less ladders the better) :chicken:
If you dont like em, pull em off, stick em back in her 'undies' drawer and she will never know! :grin:
No money spent, everyones a winner :xmassmiley: