Post by: th3_f15t on July 08, 2015, 08:36:17 pm
Is there truth in using a larger 330mm rear discs from some sort of Audi? Just want to work out a good, non-bank braking way of being able to bank on my brakes (I'm here all week). :happy2:
Post by: Shoduchi on July 08, 2015, 08:47:44 pm
In your place I'd look into an used Cayenne/R8/Gallardo rear brakes. A friend of mine has it in his Golf mk5 GTI APR Stage 3. :drool:
Post by: th3_f15t on July 08, 2015, 11:05:04 pm
Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 12:12:06 am
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Post by: teo_parvu on July 09, 2015, 05:55:36 am
@Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) - If you're after the R32 setup you should try these part numbers from TRW, they are the same as the OEM ones (TRW is the producer). I found them really cheap: :happy2:
TRW BDA690 - R32 caliper carrier rear left
TRW BDA691 - R32 caliper carrier rear right
TRW BHS938 - R32 caliper rear left
TRW BHS939 - R32 caliper rear right
http://www.mister-auto.pt/pt/suporte-pinca-de-travao/volkswagen-golf-v-1k1-1-4-fsi-90cv_v17743_g1009.html
http://www.mister-auto.pt/pt/pinca-de-travao/trw-bhs938e_g78_a161BHS938E.html
Combine them with Zimmerman Coat Z discs and that's it! :grin:
Post by: rich83 on July 09, 2015, 07:07:02 am
Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 12:11:29 pm
Total (with shipping) of 337,92 €. :happy2:
I think I'll order EBC Redstuff for the rear as well. Just need to find the discs now. :smiley:
PS: Mister Auto required a deposit for the calipers, to be returned when I returned my old calipers, which I don't have. The ebay shop didn't have the left carrier.
Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 12:28:36 pm
I'll order the pads from a local shop.
Post by: teo_parvu on July 09, 2015, 12:37:12 pm
Except one thing, the slotted rotors are prone to cracks, I've got these:
Zimmerman 100.3309.20
http://www.oscaro.es/juego-trasero-de-2-discos-de-freno-otto-zimmermann-gmbh-100-3309-20-2006485-10020-p
Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 03:06:18 pm
Super! This is what I've got, they are the same as OEM. :happy2:I've made the request to Oscaro.es to modify my order. I hope they read it before they process my initial order.
Except one thing, the slotted rotors are prone to cracks, I've got these:
Zimmerman 100.3309.20
http://www.oscaro.es/juego-trasero-de-2-discos-de-freno-otto-zimmermann-gmbh-100-3309-20-2006485-10020-p
Post by: teo_parvu on July 09, 2015, 03:31:40 pm
This improves stability under hard braking!
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Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 03:34:02 pm
What pads do you recommend? Ferodo DS2500?
Post by: teo_parvu on July 09, 2015, 03:40:30 pm
It is a good idea to have rear pads with a lower friction coefficient than the fronts. So you have a bit of oversteer under braking. ;)
@Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) - Forgot to mention that it is the same pad as the one you have now. Gti and R32 rear brakes are using the same pads.
Post by: th3_f15t on July 09, 2015, 05:47:29 pm
He has replica Detroits that are 8J and ET35, with 25 mm wider front wings from SRS Tec and rear rolled arches.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi61.tinypic.com%2F10x7b4z.jpg&hash=865ed1ed9fdee40e672efc793fa2d141454b302d)
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Hmm, I like the idea of a full Cayenne brake set up... As much as I'd love VW Racing front brakes, the cost of those compared to upgrading all the brakes all round against VWR ones, just means the Cayenne upgrade makes sense!
Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 06:28:30 pm
Yes, DS2500 is what I'm using.I didn't know that... Searched EBC official site and it didn't have any pads for the R32 rear brakes but they list all for the GTI. :rolleye:
It is a good idea to have rear pads with a lower friction coefficient than the fronts. So you have a bit of oversteer under braking. ;)
@Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) - Forgot to mention that it is the same pad as the one you have now. Gti and R32 rear brakes are using the same pads.
So I ended up ordering the DS2500 from here: http://www.nh-tuning.de/Brake-technologys/Ferodo-Bremsbelaege/Ferodo-DS-2500/Hinterachse/VW/Ferodo-DS-2500-Bremsbelaege-Hinterachse-VW::132335.html (http://www.nh-tuning.de/Brake-technologys/Ferodo-Bremsbelaege/Ferodo-DS-2500/Hinterachse/VW/Ferodo-DS-2500-Bremsbelaege-Hinterachse-VW::132335.html).
Oscaro.es didn't have Zimmermann standard Sport Coat Z discs, just perforated, so I changed my order for the normal ATE discs: http://www.oscaro.es/juego-de-2-discos-de-freno-ate-24-0122-0219-1-1767650-82-p (http://www.oscaro.es/juego-de-2-discos-de-freno-ate-24-0122-0219-1-1767650-82-p).
I got EBC Redstuff for the Brembo 18Z front calipers. Now I'm not sure if they'll go well with the DS2500 in the rear. :confused:
Post by: teo_parvu on July 09, 2015, 07:37:54 pm
You'll also get better cooling from the vented disks.
Can't wait for your first impressions. They will need 200/300 km to bed in properly. :driver:
Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 07:51:10 pm
I've ordered the R32 dust shields too (5N0615611E and 5N0615612E), to have a complete OEM look. :smiley:
Post by: Golf_GT_TDI on July 09, 2015, 08:42:33 pm
Quote from: Shoduchi
I've ordered the R32 dust shields too (5N0615611E and 5N0615612E), to have a complete OEM look. :smiley:
Aren't they for the 4motion hubs only?
Post by: teo_parvu on July 09, 2015, 08:59:07 pm
They'll fit perfect on yours too.
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Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 09:02:05 pm
AFAIK only one bolt might not fit properly, so it may be required to drill an hole for it to fit perfectly. :happy2:Quote from: ShoduchiI've ordered the R32 dust shields too (5N0615611E and 5N0615612E), to have a complete OEM look. :smiley:
Aren't they for the 4motion hubs only?
Post by: th3_f15t on July 09, 2015, 09:40:33 pm
Fronts:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281729609971?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Rears:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231610832790?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Need to work out discs, pads, adaptors and lines now! But so far calipers and refurbs looks to be less than £1000, my mission will to be to get both front and rear set ups for less than the cost of VW Racing front 6 piston brakes.
Saying that:
http://www.awesomegti.com/car/vw/golfmk6/ecs-stage-5-big-brake-kit-drilled-grooved-358x32mm
Could be a winner, just get the rears at a later date to match the ECS Tuning kit.
If anyone's got a how-to guide for doing this kit, PLEASE let me have it as I'll need as much info as possible. May even fit these myself to save more money, rude not to now I have a full work shop at my disposal!
Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 10:49:38 pm
Disc brakes:
-ML55 or GL450 350 mm
Pads:
Ferodo DS2500 (330 mm discs) (190,1x99x16,8) FCP1625H
Pad wear sensor wires: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381287223597 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381287223597)
Braided brake lines: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111046291292 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111046291292)
Aluminium discs centring rings: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111392994828 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111392994828)
Calipers adaptors: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111067552499 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111067552499)
It's better to get the pads for the Brembo 17Z calipers since they match perfectly with the 350 mm ML discs. I got the EBC Redstuff for the 17Z (DP31521C).
You can get the calipers, adaptors and brake lines from this shop: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151515479484 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151515479484)
Addiction Motorsport has all that you need but not all items have the best price available. The store also recommends to get the smaller pads (DS2500 FCP1625H) for the 18Z: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111049676173 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111049676173). :wink:
Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 10:56:12 pm
Caliper boots and seals (kit incl. 2x30mm, 2x34mm & 2x38mm boots and seals): 2x 143.35037
Pins and retention clips: 95535195900
Crossover lines: 2x 95535196110
Front bleeder valves with boots: 2x 93035191900
Post by: dazza on July 09, 2015, 11:00:03 pm
Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 11:10:02 pm
What about the HB caliper? I know it does FA but it looks :drool:I didn't get the HB nor the FA... Sorry dazza. :confused:
Post by: dazza on July 09, 2015, 11:21:49 pm
FA = f*ck All.
Post by: Shoduchi on July 09, 2015, 11:25:55 pm
Handbrake caliper? I posted about them a while back as someone on vortex had a group buy on the brackets think they were using Cayenne calipers and a Handbrake caliper from an R8 or jag.Right! :happy2:
FA = f*ck All.
Yeah, the HB caliper should be from an R8. Not sure if the bracket wasn't a custom order from a latte... :confused:
Post by: dazza on July 09, 2015, 11:34:42 pm
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7066551-Cayenne-Rear-Brake-Upgrade-Brackets-GROUP-BUY
Post by: th3_f15t on July 10, 2015, 08:22:30 am
Found this while on a massive Google search last night. I e-mailed them to find out about whether you can fit a Brembo HB rather than use the stock OE caliper (as mentioned in the description). Brembo HB:
http://www.brembo.com/en/Van/Original-Equipment/Products/Pages/Freno-di-stazionamento.aspx
And for info, I've used PW Motorsport before, they're top guys! Trouble is, I'd like my calipers in matching colours and both in blue so I'll probably buy some calipers that need a refurb and get them done myself.
So much for the Golf R staying stock!
Post by: th3_f15t on July 10, 2015, 09:15:14 pm
Post by: dazza on July 10, 2015, 10:36:44 pm
Also found this. Not seen this kit before.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bremssatteladapter-Set-fur-Audi-R8-RS6-incl-Bremssattel-auf-Golf-5-6-Plattform-/221805274703?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item33a49fe64f
Brembo HB caliper part numbers i think 22.5921.03 22.5921.04
Post by: th3_f15t on July 11, 2015, 07:35:50 am
This is getting g silly now, its supposed to stay stock FFS...
Post by: teo_parvu on July 11, 2015, 08:28:43 am
With 3 sets of calipers i think you'll be in the price territory of AP Racing or VWR.
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Post by: th3_f15t on July 11, 2015, 10:14:55 am
If all else fails, I'll use the brackets that allow the use of the stock rear discs and calipers (as the hand brake) and then fit the 4 piston rear as well. Works out cheaper.
Post by: teo_parvu on July 11, 2015, 03:11:52 pm
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Post by: th3_f15t on July 11, 2015, 08:43:42 pm
Post by: teo_parvu on July 12, 2015, 06:56:37 am
Now I'm in the process of building some ducts.
Any way, as long as you keep the balance, the rears to have less braking power than the fronts, so you can induce some oversteer entering the corner (trailbraking), it is a nice upgrade.
Post by: th3_f15t on July 12, 2015, 07:58:33 am
Having said that, I do need to look into the Audi RS4 330mm rear upgrade and see what's involved as well, mainly for the sake of knowing. Think I read somewhere that it requires a hub conversion but could be wrong...
The other thing I need to try and work out is wheel clearance. Does anyone know if Team Dynamic Pro Race 1.2's will clear the front/rear calipers that we're talking about here, or will I need a 5/8/10mm spacer? Was kind of thinking I'll need 5mm front and rear but if anyone knows that'd be a time saver!