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Title: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: sub39h on July 21, 2015, 10:46:03 pm
Dear Members,

I hope you're all well. I am a doctor currently studying a second degree in dentistry with the intention of being a head and neck cancer surgeon. (The specific field I want to go into requires both degrees.) I am about to start my 9th year at university at great personal expense with the intention of doing operations which in some cases can last 14 hours or more continuously.

Jeremy Hunt this week has implied, nay stated, that doctors are unprofessional, and we do not have a sense of vocation. Any of you who know doctors (particularly hospital doctors) personally will know that is not true.

When I first graduated from medicine, I worked out I was making around £9 per hour after having spent 5 years at university and having amassed significant student debt which I am still yet to pay off. My choice of field and the need to study a second 4 year degree has only made this worse. My pay won't be significantly better once I graduate from dentistry. It's a bit cliche at the minute, but I genuinely would have been better off being a Tube driver. I find it insulting to be called unprofessional or lacking a sense of vocation - I could have picked any career I wanted and I chose to pick a career which pays less to work more hours in the hope I could help other people.

I am actually in support of some of the Tory ideas regarding the NHS - there has to be a change somewhere. Pretty much ALL of the doctors I know are in support of a properly funded and appropriately staffed 7 day NHS. But the reality is medicine is not an attractive profession anymore, and we are short of staff and the staff we do have are getting increasingly exhausted. Mr Hunt is now suggesting approximately a real terms 20% pay cut (after year on year pay freezes), with more unsociable hours that will detract from care during the week.

Aside from this, doctors don't work alone - we need all of the paramedical team (nurses, healthcare assistants, physios, dieticians, speech and language therapists, radiographers, administrative staff, porters, cleaners etc etc etc etc etc) to do our jobs, and forcing doctors to do more weekend hours will not help anything. 

Our NHS can't afford any more demoralisation of our staff. Please support your NHS and sign this petition calling to debate a vote of no confidence in Jeremy Hunt. The medical profession largely feels he is out of touch, trying to force through policies that will harm patients and is lying to discredit us in the public eye. His position as Health Secretary is untenable.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/104334

Thank you
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: Dan_FR on July 22, 2015, 08:05:39 am
Signed.

Absolutely disgusting commments but unfortunately the demoralisation, pay freezes etc is not isolated to the healthcare system and extends out to pretty much all civil servants too.
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: prp74 on July 22, 2015, 09:06:32 am
I have just signed  :happy2:
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: usmangti on July 22, 2015, 10:09:51 am
Signed,

We generally hear negatives regarding our NHS, but as someone who was recently admitted into Hospital, I have to admit, the service I received was fantastic.
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: Mandy on July 22, 2015, 10:28:14 am
^^^
Agree with comment above, signed.
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: TAPPY on July 22, 2015, 11:11:47 am
Signed my partner is a nurse and some of the demoralising things I hear about is disgusting!!
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: sub39h on July 22, 2015, 09:16:32 pm
Thanks for your support guys
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 22, 2015, 09:31:17 pm

Signed
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: Degudodger on July 22, 2015, 11:33:04 pm
Signed.
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: omeydz on July 23, 2015, 08:15:09 am
Done. You wanting to do max fax subh? Not for me but serious respect for wanting to do it! Im just settling for teeth me :P eventually become an ortho all being well.
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: sub39h on July 23, 2015, 06:38:22 pm
I knew we had a few doctors on here but no idea we had a dentist too. Thanks for your support.

I'm at a bit of a crossroads given all this mess with Mr Hunt this week. I have wanted to do max fac since medical school, and I wasn't planning on doing VT. Now I might just to keep that door open should I need it in future.

Ortho is a good speciality. Where are you planning on doing it?
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: afzalmj on July 23, 2015, 06:54:04 pm
Wife is a doctor. Will be signing.
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: omeydz on July 23, 2015, 09:46:33 pm
Getting my BDS next year and did an undergrad BSc before that. Not sure yet whether to have ortho as a special interest or full on specialism but got vt/dct to tackle so its all on the horizon.

No harm in doing vt as extra training in back pocket.
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: sub39h on July 23, 2015, 10:32:52 pm
Ah I thought you had already qualified. Where are you studying? Nice to know someone else here understands the pain of being a final year BDS student lol! I'm at King's - they made us start 5th year one day after our 4th year exams finished. I've been at uni since August with 2 weeks off for Christmas and 2 weeks off at Easter (which was basically study leave). Totally exhausted now and finish tomorrow for this academic year (thank God) before continuing final year in September.
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: JoeDarKa on July 23, 2015, 10:35:27 pm
Done! Im in healthcare, (although privately and not a doctor) but we work as normal over a weekend
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: sub39h on July 27, 2015, 07:15:09 am
Thanks for everyone who signed this week. The government released a response a few days ago, which basically repeats their flawed rhetoric.

It also totally ignores that our petition is nothing to do with the policy, and instead is asking for a debate into Mr Hunt's suitability in his current role.

Please read the following analysis below:

https://juniordoctorblog.wordpress.com/2015/07/26/getting-trolled-by-the-government-a-response-to-the-e-petition-to-debate-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-jeremy-hunt/
Title: Re: Support our NHS - please sign this petition
Post by: john87 on July 28, 2015, 12:28:59 pm
Signed..

Failed as the Culture secretary, now doing his best to ruin our health service.