MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: jbbhoy on July 26, 2015, 07:10:35 pm
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Looking to buy a GTI and few people saying shocking on fuel etc horror storys
theyre saying get a GT TDI, but its not a GTI isnt doesnt even come close GTI looks miles better
anyone help is it reallyu a greedy **** ?
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Also any tips on stuff tolook for when buying etc would be much appreciated any info would be good.
looking to spend no more than 7k 5door and a nice colour black candy white or something
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Will do mid 30's fairly easy driven half sensible, not to bad really.
I wouldn't be worrying about mpg lots of other things to look out for.
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Horror stories are relative to your ability to spend money on fuel. One man's 35mpg will be unacceptable to another man's 45mpg.
Who have you been talking to, though? For a 2.0ltr turbo, most here would average around the 28mpg marker or so. My current average over the past 400 miles is 30.7mpg. That is mostly winding B roads and inner-city travel with some motorway miles. To me, that's pretty good for a 200bhp car!
But again, that's shocking mpg for a person who is used to doing 50mpg+ in their 2.0tdi GT!
Honestly, the best way to look at fuel cost is to work out the yearly cost for the vehicle(s) and see the difference.
For example:
10,000 miles at 28mpg would cost £2000 using Super Unleaded at £1.23/l.
10,000 miles at 45mpg would cost £1202 using Diesel at £1.19/l.
So, that's £800 per year extra. £66 extra per month in fuel. Up to you if you can afford it.
Btw, the saving between 20mpg and 30mpg is MUCH greater than between 30mpg and 40mpg even though they are the same "mpg" difference.
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i have decided f*ck it i am going for the GTI, currently drive an absolute shed of a 52 plate fiesta that probably does 32MPG so i will just be filling the GTI as much as the fiesta not much difference i would think will just cost more to fill, but f*ck it the GTI is a weapon
what other things is there to look out for ?
hard trying to find the right GTI
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i have ed30 stage 1 307BHP i get about 300miles to a full tank i use it only as a run around and have to say never really drive it sensibly at all. My mate has a GT TDI and gets about 600-700 miles on a full tank but then hey i wanted a GTI and not GT TDI if i wanted more economic car then i would off. I have to say the mileage i get out of my Edition30 is actually quiet good with what power it gives and puts a massive smile on my face. Used to have a 330ci BMW that used to get 200miles to the tank and that wasn't fast at all :signLOL:
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Horror stories are relative to your ability to spend money on fuel. One man's 35mpg will be unacceptable to another man's 45mpg.
Who have you been talking to, though? For a 2.0ltr turbo, most here would average around the 28mpg marker or so. My current average over the past 400 miles is 30.7mpg. That is mostly winding B roads and inner-city travel with some motorway miles. To me, that's pretty good for a 200bhp car!
But again, that's shocking mpg for a person who is used to doing 50mpg+ in their 2.0tdi GT!
Honestly, the best way to look at fuel cost is to work out the yearly cost for the vehicle(s) and see the difference.
For example:
10,000 miles at 28mpg would cost £2000 using Super Unleaded at £1.23/l.
10,000 miles at 45mpg would cost £1202 using Diesel at £1.19/l.
So, that's £800 per year extra. £66 extra per month in fuel. Up to you if you can afford it.
Btw, the saving between 20mpg and 30mpg is MUCH greater than between 30mpg and 40mpg even though they are the same "mpg" difference.
cheers mate a can easily afford it from september to may just when that student loan stops a will struggle a wee bit a think but really wanting a GTI,
seen a post on a thread on here when a searched earlier saying your not really going to save much unless your doing above average miles but your post proves otherwise
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Well, what that post is probably referencing is that generally a diesel will cost more initially on a comparable spec car (i.e. a 140bhp diesel Audi A4 vs a 140bhp petrol Audi A4) from factory. A GT TDI vs a GTI isn't a fair comparison as they're different cars when it comes to power output.
Judging the difference only on fuel economy and fill-up costs makes a diesel look especially attractive – but that’s why you need to consider the differences in purchase price, retained value, servicing costs and even insurance.
At 10,000 miles per year, my above calculation shows that you'd save £800 in fuel. If you bought a diesel and it cost £2400 more, over 3 years (based on 10,000 per year and the same servicing costs, retained value etc) both cars would work out the same in terms of economy.
Do 20,000 miles per year and the diesel wins. Simple really.
Also, and this is just a piece of personal advice and don't really hear it from anyone else, I try to work out a few "if this happened, could I afford it during my ownership"s.
Speculative examples I have looked at before are things outside of your control:
- fuel prices rocketing this time in 6 months
- unexpected servicing
- etc
Good luck. I'm sure you'll find a way to keep the GTI going in the summer months!
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I went from a 2003 Focus 1.8 doing roughly 33mpg. I worked out the sums and realised I wouldn't see a big increase in my fuel bill and was presently affording it, so went for a GTI.
Was looking at a 2.0tdi 170bhp Audi A3 a few years back when I wasn't enjoying paying for a 33mpg car, but my circumstances changed and so looked at a Focus ST. 20mpg at 10,000 miles would have cost £2750 :rolleye: Not my cup of tea!
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I went from a 2003 Focus 1.8 doing roughly 33mpg. I worked out the sums and realised I wouldn't see a big increase in my fuel bill and was presently affording it, so went for a GTI.
Was looking at a 2.0tdi 170bhp Audi A3 a few years back when I wasn't enjoying paying for a 33mpg car, but my circumstances changed and so looked at a Focus ST. 20mpg at 10,000 miles would have cost £2750 :rolleye: Not my cup of tea!
Cheers for the imput mate, been thinking about GTI or GT TDI all night. Came to the conclusion that if i went GT TDI everytime i seen a GTI i would be thinking i want one, so GTI it has to be
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Were fortunate enough to own both a 2008 Gti and a 2008 Gt tdi 140 (Gti is mine Tdi is Wifes)
Gti averages around 35mpg Tdi averages around 53mpg both mixed driving
Tdi for work horse Gti for fun :laugh:
Seriously though the Tdi is a cracking car but the Gti is simply excellent
Would sell the Tdi before the Gti no doubt about it
Also do remember yes the Gti's have a few niggly issues but the 2.0tdi is far from perfect, plenty of expensive common issues on those also
:happy2:
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I went from an economical Audi A4 1.9TDI to my Golf GTI and I was expecting to be slapped hard with the extra fuel bills but as I mainly use my car for my short commute to work and back I can hardly notice any difference in cost.
My theory is that because diesels take so long to get up to temparature they don't really start producing decent mpg until they are, I would often get to work in diesel and the temparature gauge had hardly moved at all whilst in the GTI it has already hit 90 degrees :happy2:
I miss being able go to Essex and back to Devon in one tank though!
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Thanks for the input guys, still looking to find the right one.
What questions / things should I be looking for asking about
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I went from an economical Audi A4 1.9TDI to my Golf GTI and I was expecting to be slapped hard with the extra fuel bills but as I mainly use my car for my short commute to work and back I can hardly notice any difference in cost.
Snap, I've just gone from an Audi 1.9 estate to a GTi and the MPG isn't as bad as some make out. On my commute of mixed rural roads and traffic I get about 38 mpg (confirmed). If it wasn't for rush hour this would be over 40 mpg.
Since having bought the car it's averaged 36.8 over the last 2000 miles (according to the 2nd trip which hasn't been reset).
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Fuel consumption depends on 2 things:
1/ Driving style
2/ Maintenance / condition
I've had mine for 2 months now and Every tank full I get 36mpg out of with 50% Motorway, 40% rural and 10% urban roads.
Today on the way to work I drove pretty sedately and I got an indicated 42mpg.
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Fuel consumption depends on 2 things:
1/ Driving style
2/ Maintenance / condition
I've had mine for 2 months now and Every tank full I get 36mpg out of with 50% Motorway, 40% rural and 10% urban roads.
Today on the way to work I drove pretty sedately and I got an indicated 42mpg.
Yes a also regularly see atleast these figures myself
On average wifes tdi is doing about 17mpg more than my Gti
Really does depend what your needs are!
For me I average 6,000 miles a year in Gti so diesel would be pointless where as our tdi hits around 17,000 a year so worth having it :happy2:
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Is 7k for a 55 plate golf GTI decent ? 64k miles just had belt and water pump done FSH all receipts etc
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Broad question mate
So many variants to be considered
No of owners
History
Paintwork
Overall condition
High spec or low spec
I bought mine 12 months ago
57 plate
1 owner
68k miles
Black 3 door
Full loaded spec - leather, sat nav, 18" monza's etc
Only gave a few hundred more than you suggest for 55 plate but maybe I got a bargain!
Personally go for a later car 56 reg onwards with the revised bwa engine code if you can
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Broad question mate
So many variants to be considered
No of owners
History
Paintwork
Overall condition
High spec or low spec
I bought mine 12 months ago
57 plate
1 owner
68k miles
Black 3 door
Full loaded spec - leather, sat nav, 18" monza's etc
Only gave a few hundred more than you suggest for 55 plate but maybe I got a bargain!
Personally go for a later car 56 reg onwards with the revised bwa engine code if you can
Are the post 56 plates more reliable then
TBH a don't fancy going out to see this golf the VW badge alone puts me off seems okay otherwise.
It's white golf and badge been painted red
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Yes, 56 plates will generally have the BWA engine code and the earlier ones will have the AXX engine code. The BWA is preferred and is regarded as the better engine.
Personally, I would read up on the optional extras that you can get with this car - in my original searches, I didn't know the half of the them - luckily I got a high-spec Apr 2007 one with 97k for £6.2k. It's now on 108k and it hasn't missed a beat with correct servicing.
I got a high-miler as I didn't intend to sell up until 3 or 4 years down the line anyway, so didn't think the retained value would be that high in a 100k car at 10 years old, so just bought cheaper then instead.
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Hard trying to find the right one don't want to dive in but ideally want is before the 6th of August is that is when insurance expires on the fiesta and can't be arsed insuring it etc to cancel tax aswell just seems a hassle
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Don't write off an AXX engined car. Mine is on 105K and the engine is perfect, unlike a few posts I have read where owners complain about a diesely engine noise when warm (affects both AXX & BWA engines) mine is silent. Note as well the AXX engined cars have a slightly better standard spec (blue tinted windows, no roof aerial etc) plus being older they are typically cheaper so definately worth considering IMO.
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Don't write off an AXX engined car. Mine is on 105K and the engine is perfect, unlike a few posts I have read where owners complain about a diesely engine noise when warm (affects both AXX & BWA engines) mine is silent. Note as well the AXX engined cars have a slightly better standard spec (blue tinted windows, no roof aerial etc) plus being older they are typically cheaper so definately worth considering IMO.
Thanks mate any general tips for looking when buying apart from the usual FSH and stuff like the water pump and that will take a PM if need be
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Standard stuff really:
When was the timing belt last changed (needs doing every 4 years or 60,000 miles - whatever is sooner)
Has the cam follower been replaced? If not do it ASAP.
Check for rust on the arches and sills.
Do all the electrics work? Any warning lights on the dash.
Listen out for a diesely engine noise as the car gets up to temperature (if excessive the timing chain and adjuster will need replacing = big bill)
Does the clutch slip any abnormal noise from the DMF?
Listen out for any knocks from the suspension.
Look at the last MOT and check the advisorys and ask if any have been actioned.
When the car is idling briefly remove the dipstick, if the engine starts to splutter and run rough the PCV is good. If there is no change the PCV is knackered (cheap fix)
If the car seems to be lacking performance, the DV could be split (Part about £40 and can be done yourself if you have axle stands.
Scan the car on VCDS for any fault codes (if owner allows!)
All I can think of for now!
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Standard stuff really:
When was the timing belt last changed (needs doing every 4 years or 60,000 miles - whatever is sooner)
Has the cam follower been replaced? If not do it ASAP.
Check for rust on the arches and sills.
Do all the electrics work? Any warning lights on the dash.
Listen out for a diesely engine noise as the car gets up to temperature (if excessive the timing chain and adjuster will need replacing = big bill)
Does the clutch slip any abnormal noise from the DMF?
Listen out for any knocks from the suspension.
Look at the last MOT and check the advisorys and ask if any have been actioned.
When the car is idling briefly remove the dipstick, if the engine starts to splutter and run rough the PCV is good. If there is no change the PCV is knackered (cheap fix)
If the car seems to be lacking performance, the DV could be split (Part about £40 and can be done yourself if you have axle stands.
Scan the car on VCDS for any fault codes (if owner allows!)
All I can think of for now!
Good general check list supplied by GTIEagles here :happy2:
Another AXX owner here running spot on :driver:
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GTIEagles has hit the nail on the head here - that's pretty much everything I think of.
Regarding Blue tinted windows, I prefer the Green tinted ones... :ashamed:
Also, if you have Sat Nav from factory, all will have the shark fin aerial, which looks great and better than the massive aerial on the 2006+ cars.
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My AXX is now on 107184miles and runs fine, I've owned it for 20k and once its warm it gets spanked everywhere. It does sound a bit rattly but has done so since the day I bought it and never seems to get worse.
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GtiEagles has mentioned the common things to look out for!
One thing to check (although not essential) is if the car has been serviced on longlife or interval servicing (10k or 12 months), with the latter being the preferred option. If it's done long trips then the former is ok too. VW recommended it for those doing more than 30 miles a day with mainly motorway driving at constant speeds.
In terms of price, I got mine recently from a VW Dealer (with the extended warranty taken out in addition to the standard 6 months you get) for circa £7.5k - this was an 07 with full VW history and 70k miles.
From looking around I decided to pay a little more and got one with a good history. There's plenty knocking around with limited or checkered histories!
If buying from a dealer lookout for those with reputable warranties (most have silly upper limits and masses of exemptions)! Privately you may find some with the extended VW warranties too (and are transferable for £25). There was also an option to pay monthly at circa £33 a month (with no excess).
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I went from a 1.9 tdi to a 2.0 gti ed30 at 330bhp, i can get 30 mpg average easy and upto 40 mpg on a run. only live once so might aswell have what we can enjoy :)
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AXX here and it has been fine (touches wood :happy2:)
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The AXX were the first GTI Engines and these had Crown Pistons from factory. Better than the later engines as they have a much stronger bottom end.
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Another AXX running ok - diesely noise at idle but performs well and uses no oil after 2 months of ownership.
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Had the AXX now for 3 months, pretty tappety and loud once warmed up but pretty normal for most of these 2.0 tfsi's.
Clocked up 3,000 miles in that time, getting through maybe a litre of oil if that (always driven in a spirited manner and @ stage 2).