MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: olethalb on August 07, 2015, 09:37:40 am

Title: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 07, 2015, 09:37:40 am
Ok so i have a small problem which has now been 100% confirmed

to cut a long story short my car has full mk5 gti loom / modules basically everything electrical is mk5 gti

after i carried out conversion i fitted rcd300 headunit: this unit did not come on with ignition

then picked up rcd 310 (just for silver buttons  :grin:) : this unit did not come on with ignition and randomly went into safe mode every other week

i then fitted an ebay rubbish do everything badly unit : this unit did not store some funtions (memory) but did wake up with ignition on

now the rcd300 and 310 were fitted for a short amount of time and i put it down to gateway coding, then the ebay unit i put down to just being a pile of steaming turd

BUT i have now fitted an MFD2 that the gti originally came with so gateway coding should be ok, but still does not wake up with ignition and flicks through safe on start up, i also have random radio comms fault codes and infotainment? errors

is this a duff gateway or something else? i've bought a replacement gateway of the same part number - 1K0 907 530 F - i don't want to tear the dash down if it's possible something else

any help appreciated  :happy2:
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: Shoduchi on August 07, 2015, 10:54:25 am
The gateway will need correct coding, and I would have gotten a newer revision (L or Q, for example).

After the gateway is sorted if it still continues with problems I'd check the looms. Something shouldn't be right. :confused:
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 07, 2015, 12:24:19 pm
the gateway is coded as factory with mfd2 bud

the replacement was £12 so worth a punt  :signLOL:
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: Shoduchi on August 07, 2015, 12:41:48 pm
the gateway is coded as factory with mfd2 bud

the replacement was £12 so worth a punt  :signLOL:
The gateway to be correctly coded for a MFD2 or even a RNS-510 just needs the Navigation module added as the Analog Radio should already be added in all gateways. Not much into it, really. :wink:
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 07, 2015, 12:51:08 pm
sorry i meant the stereo coding is factory (came with mfd2) and is now again fitted with mfd2 so should be fine?
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: rich83 on August 07, 2015, 01:09:41 pm
I've still got my old gateway that ran fine with the mfd2. Worth a shot?

It won't be the radio. It ran flawlessly when in my gti
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: Shoduchi on August 07, 2015, 01:10:02 pm
I understood. The gateway should be correctly coded for the MFD2, yes. You just need to make sure it's correctly coded for the rest of your Touran's components and that you have no errors.

For your symptoms I find it hard just to be an issue with the gateway but I'm not electrician... :confused:
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 07, 2015, 01:28:40 pm
everything is mk5 bud, every sensor / module / loom etc etc
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 07, 2015, 01:31:21 pm
i've got one on the way from ebay rich, i know it's not the stereo as all 4 have acted oddly, i don't know if it all worked properly in the golf before i stripped it down

it's just a right git getting at the gateway particularly if it could be something else silly  :happy2:
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: Shoduchi on August 07, 2015, 01:37:43 pm
everything is mk5 bud, every sensor / module / loom etc etc
You might have a damaged loom or a poor connection somewhere related to the radio. Even with the gateway not correctly coded the radio turns on/off with ignition.
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: rich83 on August 07, 2015, 01:41:04 pm
Sounds like a live/switched problem. Might be worth getting the tester out.
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 07, 2015, 01:44:43 pm
everything is mk5 bud, every sensor / module / loom etc etc
You might have a damaged loom or a poor connection somewhere related to the radio. Even with the gateway not correctly coded the radio turns on/off with ignition.

i suspected this but ebay crud came on with ignition  :confused:
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 07, 2015, 01:45:29 pm
Sounds like a live/switched problem. Might be worth getting the tester out.

you can hear the disc loading but doesn't 'wake up'  :sad1:
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: dazza on August 07, 2015, 01:51:08 pm
I'd check the canbus coding unless someone has messed with the loom.
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 07, 2015, 01:54:10 pm
loom all looks good condition and un tampered with

the long coding has boxes ticked for analog and nav in the gateway, thats as much as i've looked at so far

Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: Shoduchi on August 07, 2015, 02:02:56 pm
The radio not powering with ignition has nothing to do with gateway coding related to the radio. That I know for sure because I had my first RNS-510 running well with Navigation not activated in the gateway installation list for a couple of months. It was corrected later but I didn't notice any difference in the HU work.

For what I understood you only get sporadic errors related with the radio/infotainment, right?
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 07, 2015, 02:09:17 pm
i always get infotainment code and sometimes intermittant radio comms code
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: Shoduchi on August 07, 2015, 02:13:41 pm
Can you share the exact VCDS error list?
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 07, 2015, 02:50:32 pm
i wrote them down before battery died on laptop

1305 - infotainment

1300 - nav

1304 - radio
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: dazza on August 07, 2015, 03:27:23 pm
I'd try another gateway you can have my old one if you want (version f)?

This is what i noted down as checked when i replaced my gateway

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Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: Shoduchi on August 07, 2015, 04:17:29 pm
I think you might have a bad connection to the gateway somewhere in the loom or connectors, and that is stopping the gateway to communicate properly with the radio, giving the other 2 errors.

That would explain the radio not powering up correctly. The aftermarket radio might not need a good communication with the gateway to power up normally.
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: Shoduchi on August 07, 2015, 04:19:33 pm
Ross-Tech Wiki:
Quote
01304 - Radio: No Signal/Communication
Possible Symptoms

    Reduced Functionality

Possible Causes

    Communication from/to Radio faulty
    Wiring/Connectors from/to Radio faulty

Possible Solutions

    Check Communication from/to Radio
        See Measuring Value Blocks (MVB)
    Check Wiring/Connectors from/to Radio


01304 - Radio: Implausible Signal
Possible Symptoms

    Reduced Functionality

Possible Causes

    Communication from/to Radio faulty
    Radio Coding incorrect

Possible Solutions

    Check Communication from/to Radio
        See Measuring Value Blocks (MVB)
    Check Radio Coding
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 17, 2015, 03:17:58 pm
Ok just read on another forum about 'the fuse mod' to enable fitting later stereos without battery drain but stereo loses memory

I remembered seeing this in the golf and was there when previous owner bought the car (mfd2 fitted)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Follethalb%2Ftouran_2%2FB29803CC-CEAD-4E38-98CF-296733E287EC_zpscc5xxjyr.jpg&hash=fc80b53700af4d10244e8ac6f6c3629195baa152)

I've removed the add on and popped the fuse in the slot closest the bonnet so i'll see what happens at 4pm when i leave to go home

Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: dazza on August 17, 2015, 04:04:34 pm
That looks very bodgie  :confused: fingers crossed.
Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: neiller on August 17, 2015, 10:34:27 pm
Your fuse goes in the other slot ! It's slot 19 as far as I can remember , I was running this mod for a week while waiting on a new canbus gateway

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Title: Re: gateway fault or? radio related
Post by: olethalb on August 17, 2015, 11:33:07 pm
Yep all sorted, fuse is in correct place or stereo doesn't work at all, i think F19 yes :)