MK5 Golf GTI
General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: flashp on April 29, 2014, 12:05:42 am
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After several weeks waiting, well about 6 actually, they turned up straight from the factory.
They're not particularly cheap at £575 fitted but I was looking for a tyre that was capable of occasional track days that wouldn't get out of it's depth on circuit and would also deliver good performance on the road in most conditions. I considered the usual suspects that are track focused but road legal but kept coming back to these and decided to wait for Michelin to deliver.
Delays were down to this being a new size/specification as until recently it's been supplied to Porsche, Ferrari and BMW predominantly and I believe sizes now start at 18".
To drive on they are significantly different. I have to consider that I have had them fitted to wheels that are 3kg lighter than the Pirelli alloys (which weigh in at 11kg and are very front heavy) but the grip levels are vastly improved in the dry and particularly the wet. Steering sensitivity (and weight it feels) is improved, as is turn in due to stiffer side walls I'd imagine.
Sudden increases in torque are also better managed in all conditions from low speeds. Braking levels are also higher (in the wet at least) before ABS intervention.
I can't say that F1's were a bad tyre at all, but for a stage 2+ vehicle I rate these very highly. Very happy with them indeed. Not unhappy with the wheels either, I shamelessly followed Red Robins lead here. :star:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi326.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk438%2Fflashp%2F_DSC0769_zps87365769.jpg&hash=a5170c43584e915b7a23b7e4a1c2ef5f383a741b)
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Liking both, the sound of the tyres and the look of the rims! :smiley:
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Good review I'll be buying them in the summer also.
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Carlo really rates these too even in 19" on the BBS
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Slightly offtopic but did you experience the rear of your car being "flighty" or a bit loose with the Goodyear F1s (were they the Assy2's?) in comparison to other tyres such as this Michelin?
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How noisy are these compared with the F1s?
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Great review and again with the above, these are £133 on mytyres iirc.
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Flash... Are these the extra load ones?
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These are 92Y XL rated so are a like for like replacement.
As to noise I would say that they may even be a shade quieter over certain surfaces, but are certainly no more noisy than the F1's.
The tyres they replaced were indeed asymmetrical 2's. I can't say I ever noticed misbehavior related to the back end, but I have B12 suspension and Eibach ARB's with the back set to soft and the front hard so may have negated this effect this way. Good geometry may also figure in this and your solution when you find it.
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I have had the 88 ones on for a while.
No need to look at anything else and at only £115 per corner from Love Tyres priced ok too
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That's epic berg!
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I have these on all four wheels in 19" and I must say they're VERY grippy! I would say they're slightly "skittish" under hard acceleration but I'm used to that now!
:party: :party:
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Got a set sat in the corner of the workshop. Ordered them in October, they arrived last month on 92Y.
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I've done a couple of track days on mine now, they're stunningly capable for a road tyre.
Watch the outers, as they're softer compound and if you're not running much camber, you'll wear them out.
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I've done a couple of track days on mine now, they're stunningly capable for a road tyre.
Watch the outers, as they're softer compound and if you're not running much camber, you'll wear them out.
Good tip, thanks. I've yet to enjoy mine on track with these. What pressure did you run? I'll have to check my geometry report and see where precisely mine was set. I know for sure I have a reasonable camber on the rear, not sure on the front without checking.
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You don't need to worry about the rear, that just slides around with no real weight on in (if you're doing it right). Why have you got camber on the rear out of interest?? Are we talking a lot??
I run oddly high pressure to keep the carcass stable, seems to do the trick, about 34 cold... but, I have a RWD car, so you may have to experiment, as you're asking different things of them on a FWD car.
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More info on the Michelin Pilot Super sports here (19")
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,24893.0.html
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You don't need to worry about the rear, that just slides around with no real weight on in (if you're doing it right). Why have you got camber on the rear out of interest?? Are we talking a lot??
I run oddly high pressure to keep the carcass stable, seems to do the trick, about 34 cold... but, I have a RWD car, so you may have to experiment, as you're asking different things of them on a FWD car.
I suppose when I say reasonable camber that statement is based on what I can see when I look at the rear tyres, and that is that the outside edge isn't as fully in contact with the road as the inside. It's not significant enough to cause wear issues but you can see the bias when they are dust covered. I'm not an expert in geometry settings but appreciate it's importance. Here's my current settings that were applied when I had my suspension components fitted. Is there any mileage in getting front negative camber moved out towards but not exceeding specification? :popcornsoda:
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That's a 'safe' stock setting. Nothing wrong as such, just not really maximising your mods.
Crudely speaking for fast road, you want as much camber and caster as you can get on the front, I ran 0 toe, out was a bit nervous for a daily driver.
Rear equal - 0.5 degrees less camber than fronts and 0 rear toe.
This will induce a bit more lift off oversteer into it, so if you're not comfortable with that kind of feel, stick to how you've got it.
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You should get some Super pro adjustable ball joints to go with your alloy control arms, that will give you an extra -1 degree of camber :driver:
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You should get some Super pro adjustable ball joints to go with your alloy control arms, that will give you an extra -1 degree of camber :driver:
^^^ :happy2:
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You don't need to worry about the rear, that just slides around with no real weight on in (if you're doing it right). Why have you got camber on the rear out of interest?? Are we talking a lot??
I run oddly high pressure to keep the carcass stable, seems to do the trick, about 34 cold... but, I have a RWD car, so you may have to experiment, as you're asking different things of them on a FWD car.
I suppose when I say reasonable camber that statement is based on what I can see when I look at the rear tyres, and that is that the outside edge isn't as fully in contact with the road as the inside. It's not significant enough to cause wear issues but you can see the bias when they are dust covered. I'm not an expert in geometry settings but appreciate it's importance. Here's my current settings that were applied when I had my suspension components fitted. Is there any mileage in getting front negative camber moved out towards but not exceeding specification? :popcornsoda:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi326.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk438%2Fflashp%2Fgeo567_zps3627699e.jpg&hash=1a38cdf87208e6e68f25dc90246f49cb82fd8154)
Lazy f*ckers didn't bother adjusting the rear camber. Poor show.
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You don't need to worry about the rear, that just slides around with no real weight on in (if you're doing it right). Why have you got camber on the rear out of interest?? Are we talking a lot??
I run oddly high pressure to keep the carcass stable, seems to do the trick, about 34 cold... but, I have a RWD car, so you may have to experiment, as you're asking different things of them on a FWD car.
I suppose when I say reasonable camber that statement is based on what I can see when I look at the rear tyres, and that is that the outside edge isn't as fully in contact with the road as the inside. It's not significant enough to cause wear issues but you can see the bias when they are dust covered. I'm not an expert in geometry settings but appreciate it's importance. Here's my current settings that were applied when I had my suspension components fitted. Is there any mileage in getting front negative camber moved out towards but not exceeding specification? :popcornsoda:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi326.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk438%2Fflashp%2Fgeo567_zps3627699e.jpg&hash=1a38cdf87208e6e68f25dc90246f49cb82fd8154)
Lazy f*ckers didn't bother adjusting the rear camber. Poor show.
Is that possibly because it's in spec? Granted they're not the same but both appear to be within limits.
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Probably, they've done what's easiest, not necessarily what's best.
Geo makes a huge difference on these, I'd look at going for a proper custom setup - it'll come alive.
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My parents have just had this with their mk6. Rear camber -1.39 one side and -2.11 the other side. Put it into VW for alignment due to excessive tyre wear and came back the same camber.
Anyone doing alignment should get it within 2' of actual spec. If not they have not done there job right
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I see. I think there's a thread or two around here regarding this, I'll try and find it later I think. Not sure where I'd go for adjustments to my specification around here (Portsmouth area) so I'll have to do some research possibly.
A difference of 0.18 between the rears isn't too bad I suppose.
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I see. I think there's a thread or two around here regarding this, I'll try and find it later I think. Not sure where I'd go for adjustments to my specification around here (Portsmouth area) so I'll have to do some research possibly.
A difference of 0.18 between the rears isn't too bad I suppose.
It's enough. I will always get a car spot on no matter what.
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I see. I think there's a thread or two around here regarding this, I'll try and find it later I think. Not sure where I'd go for adjustments to my specification around here (Portsmouth area) so I'll have to do some research possibly.
A difference of 0.18 between the rears isn't too bad I suppose.
It's enough. I will always get a car spot on no matter what.
My handling is awesome after Alex's geometry setup :driver:
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I see. I think there's a thread or two around here regarding this, I'll try and find it later I think. Not sure where I'd go for adjustments to my specification around here (Portsmouth area) so I'll have to do some research possibly.
A difference of 0.18 between the rears isn't too bad I suppose.
I believe JKM have the tools now. :happy2:
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I see. I think there's a thread or two around here regarding this, I'll try and find it later I think. Not sure where I'd go for adjustments to my specification around here (Portsmouth area) so I'll have to do some research possibly.
A difference of 0.18 between the rears isn't too bad I suppose.
I believe JKM have the tools now. :happy2:
I remember Kate telling me they had tracking tools now you mention it. Rang them today and they are going to have a look soon. Not sure how much adjustment I'll get on current hardware but have mooted the idea of adjustable ball joints etc so will see what comes back.
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i think these tyres must be magnetic i have now had two punctures and lost two of these already with loads of tread on :fighting:
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Ok I've just had a geo done today and the only thing that wasn't in spec at the end was the right front caster.
left front right front
camber -1º13' camber -1º08'
caster 7º41' caster7º09' (range 7º17' to 8º17')
toe 0º05' toe 0º05'
Is this something to be worried about as it apparently can't be adjusted on my car... :sad1:
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Where is the cheapest place people have found for these tyres?
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Where is the cheapest place people have found for these tyres?
See page 1 of this thread
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Ok I've just had a geo done today and the only thing that wasn't in spec at the end was the right front caster.
left front right front
camber -1º13' camber -1º08'
caster 7º41' caster7º09' (range 7º17' to 8º17')
toe 0º05' toe 0º05'
Is this something to be worried about as it apparently can't be adjusted on my car... :sad1:
You need the subframe squaring up at a guess.
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http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s134p102377/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_Pilot_Sport_3_PS3_-_225_40_R18_%2892Y%29_XL_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_2_Noise%3A_71dB
£100.50 plus £3.00 p&p
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http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b0s134p102377/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_Pilot_Sport_3_PS3_-_225_40_R18_%2892Y%29_XL_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_2_Noise%3A_71dB
£100.50 plus £3.00 p&p
Those are PS3's, this thread is for the Pilot super sports :happy2:
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Fair point thanks
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http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport/225-40-18 (http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport/225-40-18)
If Camskill don't have them, or the price goes up, they have them for £114 + £3 postage
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Maybe we could get the admins to clean up this tread so it's only about the Michelin Pilot Super Sports and not other tyres or geo setups?? :sad1:
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http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport/225-40-18 (http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport/225-40-18)
If Camskill don't have them, or the price goes up, they have them for £114 + £3 postage
Good price that. :happy2:
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http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport/225-40-18 (http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport/225-40-18)
If Camskill don't have them, or the price goes up, they have them for £114 + £3 postage
Good price that. :happy2:
Yeah I'd say so, look at Camskills price (http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b1912s5615p120514/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_SuperSport_Pilot_Michelin_Super_Sport_-_255_40_R18_%2895Y%29_%28%2A%29_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_2_Noise%3A_71dB)
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Maybe we could get the admins to clean up this tread so it's only about the Michelin Pilot Super Sports and not other tyres or geo setups?? :sad1:
Good idea! :happy2:
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i think these tyres must be magnetic i have now had two punctures and lost two of these already with loads of tread on :fighting:
Beyond repair I take it then? That's disappointing...
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If getting tyres from mytyres, you can get 2% cashback if you purchase via Quidco. :drinking:
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Don't overlook the deal from Michelin here: http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/special-offers/fuel/terms (http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/special-offers/fuel/terms)
I got a pre paid credit card (Mastercard) for £70. :happy2: So that's £505 for the four tyres in reality.
Deal closes 31st May.
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Don't overlook the deal from Michelin here: http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/special-offers/fuel/terms (http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/special-offers/fuel/terms)
I got a pre paid credit card (Mastercard) for £70. :happy2: So that's £505 for the four tyres in reality.
Deal closes 31st May.
Read T & C - tyres must be purchased by 30 April and claim completed by 31 May so deal is essentially closed. :sad1:
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Interesting..
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I'll add my thoughts on these after approx 20miles. Came from knackered Potenzas, Revo Stage 1, that's it. Went to garage this morning had a look at the tyres, they have super thick sidewalls and are really stiff. Went off to work, got them fitted and picked it up tonight.
Obviously they need to scrub in but they are a million times better than the knackered rubber that was on it, unsurprisingly. The ride is definitely firmer, but its still very compliant and smooth, cabin noise is reduced if anything. Grip is much better already, cornering is more stable and turn in is definitely improved.
Very happy with them so far, a good 'mod'.
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I'll add my thoughts on these after approx 20miles. Came from knackered Potenzas, Revo Stage 1, that's it. Went to garage this morning had a look at the tyres, they have super thick sidewalls and are really stiff. Went off to work, got them fitted and picked it up tonight.
Obviously they need to scrub in but they are a million times better than the knackered rubber that was on it, unsurprisingly. The ride is definitely firmer, but its still very compliant and smooth, cabin noise is reduced if anything. Grip is much better already, cornering is more stable and turn in is definitely improved.
Very happy with them so far, a good 'mod'.
Wait till you experience them in the wet :driver: :jumpmove: :driver: :jumpmove:
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I've run these for about 300 miles on the front wheels. Definitely stiffer and they remind me of the PS2 tyres I used to have. The F1s had a softer sidewall and felt softer so there was an initial loss of feedback when I first used them after having PS2s all round. But they were more forgiving than the PS2s and would stick to the road like glue.
So far the PSS appear to have the stickiness of the F1s with the firmer and more positive feedback of the PS2s. I find the braking is much better too. Glad I went for these and am looking forward to have these all round.
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150 nicker for 19s! :sad1:
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£107 delivered
http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-super-sport/225-40-zr18-92y-268641
Any better price? Fancy trying these on the front and sticking the AS2's on the back.
Great price, not heard of that site before. Now bookmarked!
Sell the AS2's and get x4 of them. :evilgrin:
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Not 100% sold on these yet..... I would put money on the F1 having more grip.
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Not 100% sold on these yet..... I would put money on the F1 having more grip.
How much money? Do you want me to pm you my paypal? :signLOL:
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Not 100% sold on these yet..... I would put money on the F1 having more grip.
How much money? Do you want me to pm you my paypal? :signLOL:
:laugh:
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would be suprised
whats the weather like recently in your area.. dont forget its cooled down alot since you probaly last driven on your old tyres
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Not 100% sold on these yet..... I would put money on the F1 having more grip.
What's not letting you be sold on these yet?
Not as much grip?
Less comfortable?
Noisier?
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Maybe it's just I was so used to the goodyears. These seem to grip ok but just don't feel as confident with them yet
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Maybe it's just I was so used to the goodyears. These seem to grip ok but just don't feel as confident with them yet
Take them to a track day and get to know them under those circumstances, you'll be amazed :happy2:
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How many miles do you have on them, they take some scrubbing you know.
I'd also run slightly higher pressure in them, say +2PSI, they seem to like it.
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Not sure.... <500miles id say.
What PSI would you say then? Ill check the pressures today
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Pressures are 33-35PSI
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I use 36psi...
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Oh yeah, 500 miles and they're still green.
I used to run 36ish all round on PS2s, so try that. Never got the idea of a soggy frontend for the road, you'll never keep them hot enough to trouble them.
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Cool. Will adjust them tomorrow. Got some front camber coming soon so that will help too.
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Mine seem to do well. Much prefer them over the softer walled F1s. They're like the PS2s but grippier.
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just ordered a set for 18s on the R as some silly deals on these just need breaking in before its next play day
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Not 100% sold on these yet..... I would put money on the F1 having more grip.
How much money? Do you want me to pm you my paypal? :signLOL:
Whats your email address??? :ashamed:
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Not 100% sold on these yet..... I would put money on the F1 having more grip.
How much money? Do you want me to pm you my paypal? :signLOL:
Whats your email address??? :ashamed:
How are you finding them now? :smiley:
They are truely great aren't they? :happy2:
When you push them, they just seem to grow with the challenge given to them IMO.
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Getting better. They seem less "scrappy" than the F1s when full throttle in a straight line. Had them squealing under braking too :grin:
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These seem to be getting better all the time, an I have got used to them as well.... lots of grip :evilgrin:
Set them up at 35PSI. They do feel incredible 'rubbery' to the touch, much like the a048s. I wonder how long they will last. :driver:
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These seem to be getting better all the time, an I have got used to them as well.... lots of grip :evilgrin:
Set them up at 35PSI. They do feel incredible 'rubbery' to the touch, much like the a048s. I wonder how long they will last. :driver:
There's plenty of life in them, i did Donington 1 trackday and 1 on Knutstorp and had 3 (75.000 kilometers) years on the road on top of that on the front tyres :happy2:
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Thats impressive! :smiley:
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I have PSS on the front and F1s on the back and it feels like the front end is planted and the back end has jelly for tyres. :scared:
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done about 500 miles with mine on the R and took it to curborough sprint course today and god what a difference when pushed hard, were a little pressure sensitive around there and did not like low pressures as you felt it through the side walls, did drop off but oddly all cars were experiencing similar issues but came back and cleaned themselves up after 30 miles
turn in has transformed the R and have so much more confidence in hitting the apex
3 second improve on best lap time from last visit without them
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If you read the review i have made in here, you would see that you need to keep the tyrepressure the same as on the road due to the Twaron reinforcement of the tyre which keeps temperature down during operation compared to the steel of other tyres
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,24893.0.html
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,24893.msg392222.html#msg392222
Let us see how yours looked right after action and we'll be able to judge on the pressure you used :)
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i started off running 35 all round on the R and fine, then dropped to 28 and they felt like jelly, agree at higher pressure they are just way more neutral and car is progressive
the oem 19s are going back on this weekend with Bridgestones so will be interesting comparison
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I set mine to 36PSI (225 40 18) they seem very good! :smiley:
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See....
Listen to Uncle Danza and all will be well in the world.
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got a pair of front PSS on today, looking forward to trying them. replacing Goodyear Eagle Assymetric F1 which were ok but not great to be honest (contrary to how everyone on this forum feels)
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got a pair of front PSS on today, looking forward to trying them. replacing Goodyear Eagle Assymetric F1 which were ok but not great to be honest (contrary to how everyone on this forum feels)
AS2's (For the money), I don't think there's a better all round tyre; £83 in 225/40/18 guise.
The PSS are another £80 per set... but I'm eager to try them next time; infact I think I might buy a pair as I can't see any point putting the winter tyres on for a loong time yet... 20C here today, it's practically November! lol.
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I have a set of PSS on my BMW m3 and have run them for about 1k and have performed better than any tyre I have had previously in wet and dry conditions.
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AS2 £74 @Oponeo: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?page=mods&mod=10
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Heads up for you guys contemplating Michelin PSS
http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/special-offers/fuel
on till end of November
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Just a heads up, You Can get these for £414 delivered these are Michelin PSS 225/40/R18 Y 92XL from lovetyres :happy2:
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Good spot. I've just called up my local tyre fitters - £130.22 each fitted.
£520.88 for all four.
Why am I posting this ? They're in Michelin's list of authorised resellers - so £70 cashback in the form of a fuel card applies. (£100 for 19" and above)
(Tyre fitters around here charge between £15-20 per wheel)
So £450.88 fitted and balanced.
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I have these fitted to my mkV R32 now, what a tyre. Used in anger for the first time at Cadwell Park last weekend, and performed faultlessly.
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Just fitted all 4 GYEF1 Assymmteric 2's and really loving them - car feels lighter and quiter and handling is much much better. :driver:
The previous owner did have some budget tyres on though which iv been driving around in for the past 12 months! :sick:
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Just fitted all 4 GYEF1 Assymmteric 2's and really loving them - car feels lighter and quiter and handling is much much better. :driver:
The previous owner did have some budget tyres on though which iv been driving around in for the past 12 months! :sick:
Super sports are better :P
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Just fitted all 4 GYEF1 Assymmteric 2's and really loving them - car feels lighter and quiter and handling is much much better. :driver:
The previous owner did have some budget tyres on though which iv been driving around in for the past 12 months! :sick:
Super sports are better :P
I suspect the super sports will probably be a bit better than the goodyears on a warm summers day, but they're heavily "dry bias".
This review for instance:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Arti...2-Sport-Auto-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm
Suggests that while the Super Sports are the best in the dry, their wet weather performance lets them down and they end up in 4th place overall.
The Good Years have better fuel, noise and wet grip rating :pomppomp:
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The F1's are a great tyre but I've just switched to super sports all round and done about 700 miles. So far its been wet/ damp/ cold and generally sh*t weather and the Super sports are notably better than the F1's which I found were a bit pants in the cold (should have winter tyres so can't moan too much) and got quite floaty in standing water. From what I've experienced so far I would rather have the PSS than the F1's every day in any weather. Just my opinion.
The F1's are still a great tyre though.
I did a full review/ comparison on my build thread about 2 days ago.
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I found the Goodyears really good when they're new, but they go off quite quickly once they've been on a few spirited drives. They're quite disappointing by the time they're down to around 5mm tread which doesn't make them great value in my view. I'm definitely gonna give these Michelins a go next time I need tyres.
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Good years are errrm good
Supersports are mucho better :star: - everyone that's made that move says the same thing :happy2:
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Argh, im so gutted i couldn't get hold of these last year.
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I just got some of these. £100 / corner at Camskill, and they're absolutely fantastic. Well worth the money.
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I don't see PSS On Camskill at all let alone for £100/corner.
Do you have a link?
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Found this Mr H but not quite £100.
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b1912s6149p102223/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_SuperSport_Pilot_Michelin_Super_Sport_-_225_40_R18_88Y_(*)_TL_Fuel_Eff_:_F_Wet_Grip:_B_NoiseClass:_2_Noise:_71dB
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Still a good price!
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http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-super-sport/225-40-zr18-92y-268641
@Hedge (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=171) here you go :happy2:
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Oof, an extra 46 quid for 19s! :surprised:
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http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-super-sport/225-35-zr19-88y-66107
Only £31, 19's are never cheap though.
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Found this Mr H but not quite £100.
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b1912s6149p102223/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_SuperSport_Pilot_Michelin_Super_Sport_-_225_40_R18_88Y_ (http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b1912s6149p102223/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_SuperSport_Pilot_Michelin_Super_Sport_-_225_40_R18_88Y_)(*)_TL_Fuel_Eff_:_F_Wet_Grip:_B_NoiseClass:_2_Noise:_71dB
That's the 88Y version. I've ordered 4 from Tyreleader which were not a huge amount more that the Goodyear Eagle 2's. :party:
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http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-super-sport/225-35-zr19-88y-66107
Only £31, 19's are never cheap though.
To repeat what Mr H said, that's the 88Y version. I'd require these...
http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-super-sport/235-35-zr19-91y-66108
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Damn how heavy is your car?
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1400kg apparently, but that's the specs of the OEM tyres, so I'd rather stick to those.
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My last 3 sets have been 88, they're 560kg rated. Fair enough though.
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Just thinking about insurance. Those toerags will do anything to wriggle out of paying up and tyre specs are probably something they'd check.
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Never thought of that, slimy f*ckers.
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If you are fitting 88's you should tell your insurance but not before you lube yourself up.
In actual fact the 92's I've bought from Tyreleader are cheaper than the 88's from Camskill.
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Just found Michelin PSS 225/40/18 92y XL for £100 a corner full set £400 delivered :jumping:
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Just found Michelin PSS 225/40/18 92y XL for £100 a corner full set £400 delivered :jumping:
Where!!!!!? :jumpmove:
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http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-super-sport/225-40-zr18-92y-268641
Danm - these are coming down in price!! Are the ones in the link XL? The speed and load ratings are fine but doesnt mention XL anywhere? (unless im being blind!)
Rich
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http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-super-sport/225-40-zr18-92y-268641
Danm - these are coming down in price!! Are the ones in the link XL? The speed and load ratings are fine but doesnt mention XL anywhere? (unless im being blind!)
Rich
As I understand 92 is the weight rating so these are xl
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Go on oponeo . Co . Uk :happy2:
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These have gone up to £105 delivered on Oponeo.
However, just ordered 2 from mytyres.co.uk for £99.91 delivered using voucher code " AMAK2907" (gives 3% discount).
You may also be able to get 3% cashback with quidco and topcashback.
Not a big saving but every little helps!
Rich
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Had a set fitted myself today, £450 all in from Costco (225/40/18)
Heading for a day out around Wales tomorrow so hoping to be impressed :happy2:
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I fitted mine yesterday there amazing tyres pick up a lot of stones though because there that sticky and I dunno if it's just me but think they add class to the car :jumping:
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Michelin PSS = :happy2: :driver: :happy2:
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Good eh? :driver:
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Very. They were a tiny bit squirrelly on the way home from work under full bore acceleration this morning, but it was 0.5°, so I forgive them! Almost faultless otherwise...
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Oh man, I've been reading up on this thread and I want these tyres badly on my GTI too... I'm running the F1 Asymmetric 2's now and they are much too soft for my liking. The damn F1's just will not wear down at all! :grin:
Just wondering how are people finding the wear on the PSS compared to say the F1 or PS3? And which one is the type of choice, the 88Y or the 92Y on the PSS's?
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Oh man, I've been reading up on this thread and I want these tyres badly on my GTI too... I'm running the F1 Asymmetric 2's now and they are much too soft for my liking. The damn F1's just will not wear down at all! :grin:
Just wondering how are people finding the wear on the PSS compared to say the F1 or PS3? And which one is the type of choice, the 88Y or the 92Y on the PSS's?
Loadindex for the golf 5 has to be 92, so they are the ones to go for.
regarding wear my first set (235/35-19") lasted 3 years and 2 track days which is fantastic by my standard
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Defo next tyres for me.
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Just done a very wet track day on these (all 4 wheels) and a cupra which normally does same times as me in the dry was more than 10 seconds slower per lap (my laps was 1.34 on a very wet Jyllandsringen) He was running Michelin Pilot sport Cup 1 and 2's.
Those observing thought i was 4wd due to the grip and cornering speed achieved :happy2:
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10 seconds is night and day Jake, jeebus :surprised:
Hail the PSS in that situation :driver:
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My apologies, I'm referring to pilot sport 3 tyres, sorry for the confusion :rolleye:
I've just had 2 of these pilot super sport 3's fitted to the front of the GTs. I got back from a Costco shopping trip yesterday to find I had a flat on the rear nearside, :surprised: I had been alerted to the two screws in that tyre but they looked super embedded to be worried about. Having had the Michelin premacy 3 fitted at the New Year and having only done circa 10,000 miles on them, I decided I needed something better.
I called Costco and they quoted £87.50 per corner, but as its quite a way to go, I decided to call around. Kwick fit quoted me £145.00 per corner and I ask him to reconsider as Costco quoted as above. He came back with £90 each based on having two fitted. It was a shame really as the Yokohama advan sport tyres fitted had loads of tread but were starting to perish in the treads. I just hope these are as grippy as the premacy 3's but last longer.
All in all, I'm quite pleased with the work the KF lads did, went for a run to the stable and no vibrations on the steering wheel.
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I've just had 2 of these pilot super sport 3's fitted to the front of the GTs. I got back from a Costco shopping trip yesterday to find I had a flat on the rear nearside, :surprised: I had been alerted to the two screws in that tyre but they looked super embedded to be worried about. Having had the Michelin premacy 3 fitted at the New Year and having only done circa 10,000 miles on them, I decided I needed something better.
I called Costco and they quoted £87.50 per corner, but as its quite a way to go, I decided to call around. Kwick fit quoted me £145.00 per corner and I ask him to reconsider as Costco quoted as above. He came back with £90 each based on having two fitted. It was a shame really as the Yokohama advan sport tyres fitted had loads of tread but were starting to perish in the treads. I just hope these are as grippy as the premacy 3's but last longer.
All in all, I'm quite pleased with the work the KF lads did, went for a run to the stable and no vibrations on the steering wheel.
There's no such tyre as a Pilot "Super" sport 3. It's either a Pilot super sport or a pilot sport 3. This tread is about the Pilot super sport :happy2:
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I've just had 2 of these pilot super sport 3's fitted to the front of the GTs. I got back from a Costco shopping trip yesterday to find I had a flat on the rear nearside, :surprised: I had been alerted to the two screws in that tyre but they looked super embedded to be worried about. Having had the Michelin premacy 3 fitted at the New Year and having only done circa 10,000 miles on them, I decided I needed something better.
I called Costco and they quoted £87.50 per corner, but as its quite a way to go, I decided to call around. Kwick fit quoted me £145.00 per corner and I ask him to reconsider as Costco quoted as above. He came back with £90 each based on having two fitted. It was a shame really as the Yokohama advan sport tyres fitted had loads of tread but were starting to perish in the treads. I just hope these are as grippy as the premacy 3's but last longer.
All in all, I'm quite pleased with the work the KF lads did, went for a run to the stable and no vibrations on the steering wheel.
There's no such tyre as a Pilot "Super" sport 3. It's either a Pilot super sport or a pilot sport 3. This tread is about the Pilot super sport :happy2:
Apologies, edited above. I must have been having a moment, the car has cost a fortune this weekend :sad1::signIWS:
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I've just had 2 of these pilot super sport 3's fitted to the front of the GTs. I got back from a Costco shopping trip yesterday to find I had a flat on the rear nearside, :surprised: I had been alerted to the two screws in that tyre but they looked super embedded to be worried about. Having had the Michelin premacy 3 fitted at the New Year and having only done circa 10,000 miles on them, I decided I needed something better.
I called Costco and they quoted £87.50 per corner, but as its quite a way to go, I decided to call around. Kwick fit quoted me £145.00 per corner and I ask him to reconsider as Costco quoted as above. He came back with £90 each based on having two fitted. It was a shame really as the Yokohama advan sport tyres fitted had loads of tread but were starting to perish in the treads. I just hope these are as grippy as the premacy 3's but last longer.
All in all, I'm quite pleased with the work the KF lads did, went for a run to the stable and no vibrations on the steering wheel.
There's no such tyre as a Pilot "Super" sport 3. It's either a Pilot super sport or a pilot sport 3. This tread is about the Pilot super sport :happy2:
Apologies, edited above. I must have been having a moment, the car has cost a fortune this weekend :sad1::signIWS:
No worries, it's just that the PS3 aren't in the same league as the PSS. So no relevance in this tread :smiley:, They are neither with dual compound nor with Twaron as the PSS are :smiley:
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so on fwd cars
pss on front
ps3 on the back
or super sports all round
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so on fwd cars
pss on front
ps3 on the back
or super sports all round
SS all round
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Iv had the super sports fitted all round now for about 3 months , I like the turn in feel and oddles of grip, even on a recent trackday they didn't go off when pushed hard
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how many miles do you guys manage with those tyres ? are they any good in the wet ?
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they're brilliant in the wet, they hang on well, when they do let go, they're progressive. I got 8000 miles out of a set, rotated.
Have them on my new car too, but the camber is more aggressive and they're staggered so I can't swap them around.
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Anyone Tryed sport contact 6's yet?
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sounds good to me, do you do track days or only road ?
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Eagle f1 ayss 3's and conti sport contact 6 next year so abit of competition for the PSS!
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Eagle f1 ayss 3's and conti sport contact 6 next year so abit of competition for the PSS!
Maybe, although I reckon they'll both pitch there new offerings at refining there current tyres. Possibly improving tyre life, decreasing rolling resistance and increasing wet weather performance. That's where the bulk of their customers are I imagine.
However, if they do surprise us then choices are healthy! :popcornsoda:
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Another shout for the supersports. MUCH better than my old Conti SC5p
Also I have customers who have put them on their 911's as 'winter' track tyres compared to the cup2 and then been annoyed that they haven't worn out after 3-4 track days! lol
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I add to this Michelin pilot ss are v good!
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These need changing obviously.. but they have started to delaminate, which I have not experienced with any other tyre before.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Frich%2Fimg%2FCar%2520Stuff%2FTyrol%2520Deadset%2FIMG_7014.jpg&hash=2aa009b7cbec0df47fab162bac518b104906fc01)
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These need changing obviously.. but they have started to delaminate, which I have not experienced with any other tyre before.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Frich%2Fimg%2FCar%2520Stuff%2FTyrol%2520Deadset%2FIMG_7014.jpg&hash=2aa009b7cbec0df47fab162bac518b104906fc01)
I think you should email a photo of this to Michelin Rich. I'd be keen to hear an experts opinion on this.
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These need changing obviously.. but they have started to delaminate, which I have not experienced with any other tyre before.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Frich%2Fimg%2FCar%2520Stuff%2FTyrol%2520Deadset%2FIMG_7014.jpg&hash=2aa009b7cbec0df47fab162bac518b104906fc01)
Mine did exactly the same Rich, I thought it was due to my aggressive GEO setup but I've now seen more doing it too.
I've got the new revision Super Sports on the front now, very interested to see if these do the same.
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Carlo @monte (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=878) complained of that too :-(
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Probably it helped by the fact we all run more camber than stock.
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Hmm. I don't know anyone with an M135i (OE fit) that's had that. Very odd.
Camber maybe, but lots of us are running 2degrees with M3 wishbones.
Under inflation, maybe the weight distribution of a FWD car means they need a bit more?
Duff batch, see what Michelin say?
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I'm on 2.3 degrees negative camber and 40 Psi, I drive hard, have not had any issues like that :confused:
As Mike said, duff batch?
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I was running them at -1-5º and about 35psi
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Managed to get some pics that @monte (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=878) took of mine when they came off....... :sick:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fbignod00%2Freaders_ride_2015%2FIMG-20160220-WA0011_zpsmrmaiznw.jpg&hash=185aa304b9411bb9a6589d6e3f12010c51d211ce)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fbignod00%2Freaders_ride_2015%2FIMG-20160220-WA0010_zpsgr9qsul0.jpg&hash=bf7ebcbf11bc3d572d51ea23a469b85c53d4e290)
I'm not 100% sure what camber/caster I'm running but I do have adjustable ball joints and top mounts......maybe @vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981) would be able to remember? :happy2:
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I've seen this before but only on winter tyres, like mini chunks of tyre have been torn away.
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I replaced my front tyres last Monday. Wish I'd have taken some pics.
They were exactly the same as Matt and Rich's :sad1:
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usually when the tread is breaking away like that its from overheating the tyre
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What toe are you all running, is it possible there's been a slight scrubbing effect almost twisting the tread off?
I reckon 35PSI is too low for these, I run 37 on mine and I have a much more neutral 50:50 balance.
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0*05" toe in
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You've probably enough caster to be able to run parallel with no real tramlining issues.
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0°05" toe in
:innocent:
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Anyone know owt about these being discontinued and replaced by the new PS4?
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Anyone know owt about these being discontinued and replaced by the new PS4?
:scared:
I do hope that prospect turns out to be a step forward if it's confirmed.
Otherwise AD08R may be my next choice...which will be after Goodwood in August.
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Hmmm just looking for tyres at this minute. :signLOL:
Those AD08R have an interesting tread pattern, you had any experience of those @flashp (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5579)
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Seems there's some confusion over PS4 and PSS....
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/What-is-happening-to-the-Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport.htm
Had a full set of PS4's fitted in February, too early to tell re: wear but performing well over some rather spirited B road miles!
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Seems there's some confusion over PS4 and PSS....
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/What-is-happening-to-the-Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport.htm
Had a full set of PS4's fitted in February, too early to tell re: wear but performing well over some rather spirited B road miles!
They are not being replaced by the PS4 as they are for another segment of customers, PS4's are for normal driving, PSS are for enthusiastic driving :happy2:
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Breathes a sigh of relief! :pomppomp:
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No 225/40 18 92Y listed on the Michelin site. I know there was a time when only an 88Y was available, so I dunno if the 92 was ever added there or not?
Looking at other forums it appears to be Costco that are telling folk they're discontinued....
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Local tyre fitter can't get hold of PSS either - been waiting since November. Took a punt on PS4s instead for the fronts.
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me too, was running PSS all round but needed fronts (worn on inside edges) and found PSS are in short supply or those that do have stock are prohibitively expensive :confused:
Have previously run the PS3 and they were poor.
Now running PS4 on the fronts (PSS rear) and so far they are indeed a great tyre :happy2:
No match for the PSS in the dry but seem comparable in all other conditions.
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Tyreleader has them £132 a corner 225/40/18 92y XL. 88Y is £118
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That's expensive in my opinion. Also, they probably have them because they're not based in the UK (despite the domain name) and that the PSS seems to be more readily available on the continent. This was more or less confirmed to me by Michelin CS (also on the continent) who told me that the 225/40 R18 92Y is freely available. When pushed and asked several times why a) it wasn't on the Michelin UK website and b) why it was difficult to get a hold of in the UK I was merely repeatedly furnished with sales guff about what a great tyre it was and that I should try them out. I would if I could, pal!
Overall, it was a futile exercise contacting them and trying to get a satisfactory answer...
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That's expensive in my opinion. Also, they probably have them because they're not based in the UK (despite the domain name) and that the PSS seems to be more readily available on the continent. This was more or less confirmed to me by Michelin CS (also on the continent) who told me that the 225/40 R18 92Y is freely available. When pushed and asked several times why a) it wasn't on the Michelin UK website and b) why it was difficult to get a hold of in the UK I was merely repeatedly furnished with sales guff about what a great tyre it was and that I should try them out. I would if I could, pal!
Overall, it was a futile exercise contacting them and trying to get a satisfactory answer...
That's how much they are(£130ish) oh and to my knowledge Michelin recently bought tyreleader .iv always had a good service and speedy delivery
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Last time I bought some it was in 235/35 R19 and they were less than that. That's why I think that price is steep. The 18" size is incredibly common and shouldn't really cost that sort of money...
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Well they've been that price for atleast 12month now,I figure demand may drive price up
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Nearly twice the price I paid for AS3's in 18 92Y
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Nearly twice the price I paid for AS3's in 18 92Y
Yeah but there half the tyre, no comparison !
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Does anyone have any experience with goodyear eagle F1s and road noise?
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Just gone GYassy3's will report back when bedded in
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These need changing obviously.. but they have started to delaminate, which I have not experienced with any other tyre before.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Frich%2Fimg%2FCar%2520Stuff%2FTyrol%2520Deadset%2FIMG_7014.jpg&hash=2aa009b7cbec0df47fab162bac518b104906fc01)
I know everyone else has thrown in their 2p worth. But quite simply, when a tyre behaves like that, it is suffering with localised overheating. Only two causes - incorrect camber, and/or tyre pressure too low.
For those who experience this with modified 'race' camber, if you are not willing to tame your camber, the only option is to increase tyre pressure on offending axle - typically by about 6psi. :happy2:
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Seems there's some confusion over PS4 and PSS....
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/What-is-happening-to-the-Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport.htm
What an utterly dangerous article. I refer specifically to the Porsche advice regarding their compulsory N rated tyres. TyreReviews.co.uk need to be stuck on top of one of Kim Jong-un's nukes! :fighting:
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These need changing obviously.. but they have started to delaminate, which I have not experienced with any other tyre before.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Frich%2Fimg%2FCar%2520Stuff%2FTyrol%2520Deadset%2FIMG_7014.jpg&hash=2aa009b7cbec0df47fab162bac518b104906fc01)
I know everyone else has thrown in their 2p worth. But quite simply, when a tyre behaves like that, it is suffering with localised overheating. Only two causes - incorrect camber, and/or tyre pressure too low.
For those who experience this with modified 'race' camber, if you are not willing to tame your camber, the only option is to increase tyre pressure on offending axle - typically by about 6psi. :happy2:
I just changed to different tyres. No issues since.