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dansmith180:
--- Quote from: Juliand on July 01, 2016, 04:06:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: dansmith180 on July 01, 2016, 12:35:34 am ---
--- Quote from: Juliand on June 30, 2016, 10:43:53 pm ---
--- Quote from: dansmith180 on June 30, 2016, 09:23:39 am ---
I'm all for helping out fellow man and colour/ race/ religion doesn't really matter to me but you can't bankrupt yourself trying to save everyone when they don't always seem to be helping themselves.
Also if the people in control of the EU were focused on that rather than trying to tell everyone what they should do the world would be a better place.
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At what point was our contribution to the EU bankrupting the UK?
Compare the UK's financial contribution to the EU in 2015 at £8.5 Billion net (after what we get back) against the loss to UK companies following the 'out' decision of over £120 Billion, and the biggest drop in Sterling in over 30 years? Which was the biggest impact on the UK's economy? Clue: not the UK's payment to the EU.
What real examples do you have of the EU telling everyone what to do??? :doh:
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I didnt say the EU was bankrupting us, I said the idea of giving our money away to every country in need so we could all be equal would probably bankrupt us.
Real example? How about the fact that it took 8 YEARS to deport that maniac Abu Hamza, and he cost us £25million while he was here.
We had to wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait until eventually the judges in Strasbourg let us deport someone from our own country. And they were reluctant to do it.
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This case fell under the provisions of the European Convention on Human Rights - Not the EU - the two are very different, which just shows how the EU can be blamed for anything with the word 'European' in it.
In or out of the EU, the UK remains a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights....
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Ahhhh, I did not know that. I was under the impression it was because of our affiliation with the EU that we had to go through all that BS. Yes it's very hard work sifting through all the sh*t to try and find out what's fact and fiction. I was very annoyed at both sides of the campaign for blatantly just lying and exaggerating to make a point.
The best way to do it would be to read a large page/ list/ booklet of FACTS, do a test on it to make sure you understood it and only if you got a passing grade should you be eligible to vote. That would be a dream world.
Craig Stanley:
--- Quote from: dansmith180 on July 01, 2016, 05:16:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: Juliand on July 01, 2016, 04:06:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: dansmith180 on July 01, 2016, 12:35:34 am ---
--- Quote from: Juliand on June 30, 2016, 10:43:53 pm ---
--- Quote from: dansmith180 on June 30, 2016, 09:23:39 am ---
I'm all for helping out fellow man and colour/ race/ religion doesn't really matter to me but you can't bankrupt yourself trying to save everyone when they don't always seem to be helping themselves.
Also if the people in control of the EU were focused on that rather than trying to tell everyone what they should do the world would be a better place.
--- End quote ---
At what point was our contribution to the EU bankrupting the UK?
Compare the UK's financial contribution to the EU in 2015 at £8.5 Billion net (after what we get back) against the loss to UK companies following the 'out' decision of over £120 Billion, and the biggest drop in Sterling in over 30 years? Which was the biggest impact on the UK's economy? Clue: not the UK's payment to the EU.
What real examples do you have of the EU telling everyone what to do??? :doh:
--- End quote ---
I didnt say the EU was bankrupting us, I said the idea of giving our money away to every country in need so we could all be equal would probably bankrupt us.
Real example? How about the fact that it took 8 YEARS to deport that maniac Abu Hamza, and he cost us £25million while he was here.
We had to wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait until eventually the judges in Strasbourg let us deport someone from our own country. And they were reluctant to do it.
--- End quote ---
This case fell under the provisions of the European Convention on Human Rights - Not the EU - the two are very different, which just shows how the EU can be blamed for anything with the word 'European' in it.
In or out of the EU, the UK remains a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights....
--- End quote ---
Ahhhh, I did not know that. I was under the impression it was because of our affiliation with the EU that we had to go through all that BS. Yes it's very hard work sifting through all the sh*t to try and find out what's fact and fiction. I was very annoyed at both sides of the campaign for blatantly just lying and exaggerating to make a point.
The best way to do it would be to read a large page/ list/ booklet of FACTS, do a test on it to make sure you understood it and only if you got a passing grade should you be eligible to vote. That would be a dream world.
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Not a bad idea really.
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garrardrj:
Why does everyone think we are detaching from Europe ? We are detaching ourselves from the EU , we will still be in Europe and will be a European nation.
I do not think that we will actually leave the EU , the negotiations will start and ofher nations will be contemplating leaving too , most nations in the EU know that. I believe there will be a revamp of the EU , a rebranding or renaming or similar. If the EU are allows the UK out that will be the end of the EU and it is to many countries detriment. How the next two years or so develop will be intersting , but the first step is implementing article 50 , will it be done ?
FJ1000:
Brexfast - A full English. Certainly not a "continental" (shudder)
Brexceit - A deceitful lie that unravels the morning after it's too late
Brexsade - A campaign for something followed by quitting at the crucial moment of taking it to completion
Brexcrete - What one does when they realise they're the turkey, and they just voted for christmas
Brexcuse - "What £350million? No that wasn't me that said that, it was them"
Brexecute - To "brexecute" an action, is to not do it and ask someone else to do it instead, after at least 3 months
Brexperts - Newly discovered economics and political experts, previously proficient only in scratching their own arses and moaning a lot.
Brexotic holiday - Bognor. In November.
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FJ1000:
In other news - looks like May will be our new PM.
She's said she won't be calling an early election, and won't be invoking article 50 this year. Meanwhile the EU have re-stated no negotiations until article 50 is invoked. Yippee, more time in limbo, and an unelected leader for 4 years. Let's hope she gets forced to call the election.
The B of E has been getting busy trying to keep markets propped up; the £250bn pledge, and now talk about rate cuts already. Interest rate futures are pricing in a 25bps cut in the base rate in August, and rates might hit 0. For the first time ever, the yield on a gilt has gone negative (I think it was the 10 year). Looks like the US fed is going to hold off raising rates in the states for the time being too, to observe what happens in markets in reaction to BREXIT. There's also speculation that the EU will extend and broaden it's bond buying program to keep European credit markets happy.
Most analysis I've read, e.g. Goldman FX projections published early Friday, points to no imminent recovery in £/$.
I'm more worried about Europe though. There's an Italian banks crisis looming, elections in France and Germany. Is BREXIT going to be the catalyst for a crash in Europe? Let's hope not, we suffer too in that scenario.
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