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New Flywheel and Clutch, can't get into gear.
ChazGTI:
--- Quote from: Dan_FR on July 08, 2016, 08:43:49 am ---
--- Quote from: ChazGTI on July 07, 2016, 04:07:40 pm ---Just thought I'd add some extra info in case it gives anyone an idea before I do the whole thing again.
With the engine running, if I try to select any gear without clutch up there is massive resistance (never actually tried doing that without a clutch, so I guess that's normal? Or wouldn't it start to crunch?) And trying to shift feels exactly the same no matter how far I push the clutch pedal down thereafter. So it feels like there is literally 0 difference across the entire pedal travel.
I've had the starter off and someone to push the clutch down and back up and I can physically see it working.
I would say the pressure plate moves on its dowels about 5-10mm?
Surely it doesn't need to move further than that to disengage?
Or should the pressure plate be totally static and only move within the forks? (Meaning I possibly haven't tightened the PP bolts up properly and what I'm seeing shouldn't actually be happening?)
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The dowels are there to locate the clutch pressure plate, the pressure plate should not move up and down on the dowels if you have bolted the cover up correctly.
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Right ok, so its likely that I've actually under-tightened the bolts?
r5gtt:
--- Quote from: ChazGTI on July 08, 2016, 08:07:34 am ---
--- Quote from: r5gtt on July 07, 2016, 10:24:16 pm ---I'm sure you cannot physically put the clutch plate on the opposite way round as it wouldn't go on.
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Yeah I tested that with the old parts and it certainly is physically impossible to do that.
Today I'm going to unbolt the pressure plate through the starter hole, try and check that the disc is on the spline properly and then re-bolt, but this time to the torque spec.
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I've never on my miserable life torqued up clutch place bolts so please no one shoot :fighting: me done for this as ive never ever ever had any issues and been working on cars for I've 20 years. I've also never seen anyone do the same even at dealerships :signLOL:
I don't know how you'll see the disc on the spline without removing the box itself but I don't know, is there a way :confused:
--- Quote from: xjay1337 on July 08, 2016, 09:21:42 am ---
--- Quote from: r5gtt on July 07, 2016, 10:24:16 pm ---I'm sure you cannot physically put the clutch plate on the opposite way round as it wouldn't go on.
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Depends on the clutch kit
Dansmith had it on his. Wouldn't go into first or reverse properly.
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really xjay never seen this in my etire life and I've seen many performance clutches so he must have forced it on :confused:
Dan_FR:
--- Quote from: ChazGTI on July 08, 2016, 09:54:38 am ---
--- Quote from: Dan_FR on July 08, 2016, 08:43:49 am ---
--- Quote from: ChazGTI on July 07, 2016, 04:07:40 pm ---Just thought I'd add some extra info in case it gives anyone an idea before I do the whole thing again.
With the engine running, if I try to select any gear without clutch up there is massive resistance (never actually tried doing that without a clutch, so I guess that's normal? Or wouldn't it start to crunch?) And trying to shift feels exactly the same no matter how far I push the clutch pedal down thereafter. So it feels like there is literally 0 difference across the entire pedal travel.
I've had the starter off and someone to push the clutch down and back up and I can physically see it working.
I would say the pressure plate moves on its dowels about 5-10mm?
Surely it doesn't need to move further than that to disengage?
Or should the pressure plate be totally static and only move within the forks? (Meaning I possibly haven't tightened the PP bolts up properly and what I'm seeing shouldn't actually be happening?)
--- End quote ---
The dowels are there to locate the clutch pressure plate, the pressure plate should not move up and down on the dowels if you have bolted the cover up correctly.
--- End quote ---
Right ok, so its likely that I've actually under-tightened the bolts?
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If the clutch pressure plate is moving up and down on the dowels in the flywheel, then yes the bolts are loose. It should not move from the flywheel at all once bolted up. All the movement/release of clutch is done in the 'middle bit '.
ChazGTI:
Well as @Dan_FR had pointed out, I had under-tightened the PP bolts. Just finished slowly tightening them through the starter hole while a friend rotate the crank.
Tested the clutch and now the PP stays still like it should. Gonna put everything back together and HOPEFULLY all will be good.
Dan_FR:
Keep us posted :happy2:
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