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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2016, 12:16:08 am »
Just for info, if you do replace the PCV I believe the revision R is the one to get.

Any links to where I can purchase one? And also it will be a direct fit? Whats the benefits of the revision R PCV?
It's a VW part, so from a dealer or TPS. The benefit is that the design has been revised over time. Just like the diverter valve revisions, earlier iterations of the same function were improved upon.

Is it a good idea to purchase a BSH PCV? Would installing this cause my car dash board to come up with a warning/error code?

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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2016, 12:27:22 am »
Just for info, if you do replace the PCV I believe the revision R is the one to get.

Any links to where I can purchase one? And also it will be a direct fit? Whats the benefits of the revision R PCV?
It's a VW part, so from a dealer or TPS. The benefit is that the design has been revised over time. Just like the diverter valve revisions, earlier iterations of the same function were improved upon.

Is it a good idea to purchase a BSH PCV? Would installing this cause my car dash board to come up with a warning/error code?
I've never had first hand experience of an aftermarket PCV/PCV delete, but I've read several times that the only true delete kit is the one R-Tech sell.

I had a new VW rev R PCV fitted last summer and it's been working perfectly since. I'd be inclined to suggest you stick to OEM parts.

You might save a lot of guesswork by getting it looked at properly by a good VW specialist, and then decide what you do or don't need to replace.

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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2016, 11:45:21 am »
UniquEd30, that video reminds of the problems I had ('08 regular GTI), before my PCV failed. Mine did start to climb to 2k revs and with a blip of the throttle the rev's returned to normal before waiting a couple of seconds and started to climb again. Vag Com showed nothing!

I did the dipstick test and it passed, once it started to whistle (confirming the issue) I replaced the PCV valve. I paid £29.99+VAT (minus the gasket etc) from TPS (https://tps.trade/ - I don't believe all of them will sell to the public) back in July so not a great expense if you wish to take a chance.

The chap at TPS who served me mentioned they do have a lot of problems with one of the pipes that sit at the back of the engine that connects to the PCV, I think its the metal one that is shown on 'PCV update' posted by pudding. He said the latter cars have a revised pipe (mine was one) which aren't so problematic.

Do you have a part number of what VW changed?

Just been through the service book receipts and I can confirm a Turbo boost hose was supplied and fitted by Beadles VW Maidstone. I am assuming this is the parts number: V1K0 145 832 P. This was changed on 27/07/16.

Today I have noticed a short hissing(possibly a whistle) type of noise coming from outside the window for a period of 2-4seconds. Usually after putting my foot down a little.

So you're saying my PCV could possibly be on its way out even though no fault codes came up as well as passing the dipstick test?

That hose connects the intercooler to the turbo discharge pipe, so it's not part of the PCV plumbing.   Do you get the noise in boost, or when you back off the throttle?

Everyone has a different approach to a new car,  but me personally, I replace everything whether it's needed or not, so I can start again from a clean slate.

Within a week of buying my ED30, I replaced all of the above items I listed, along with fresh oil + filter, spark plugs, MAF, coils, air filter, the lot!
I take it to VW to get the rubber service stamps (otherwise you get too many daft questions and low ball offers come resale), but I do the oil and filter every 5K anyway.

It's been a VERY reliable car from keeping on top of the maintenance  :happy2:




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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2016, 12:21:24 pm »
Just for info, if you do replace the PCV I believe the revision R is the one to get.

Any links to where I can purchase one? And also it will be a direct fit? Whats the benefits of the revision R PCV?
It's a VW part, so from a dealer or TPS. The benefit is that the design has been revised over time. Just like the diverter valve revisions, earlier iterations of the same function were improved upon.

Any chance of th parts number for the revised R PCV? 

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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2016, 12:31:25 pm »
Just for info, if you do replace the PCV I believe the revision R is the one to get.

Any links to where I can purchase one? And also it will be a direct fit? Whats the benefits of the revision R PCV?
It's a VW part, so from a dealer or TPS. The benefit is that the design has been revised over time. Just like the diverter valve revisions, earlier iterations of the same function were improved upon.

Any chance of th parts number for the revised R PCV?
06F129101R

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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2016, 01:52:20 pm »
UniquEd30, that video reminds of the problems I had ('08 regular GTI), before my PCV failed. Mine did start to climb to 2k revs and with a blip of the throttle the rev's returned to normal before waiting a couple of seconds and started to climb again. Vag Com showed nothing!

I did the dipstick test and it passed, once it started to whistle (confirming the issue) I replaced the PCV valve. I paid £29.99+VAT (minus the gasket etc) from TPS (https://tps.trade/ - I don't believe all of them will sell to the public) back in July so not a great expense if you wish to take a chance.

The chap at TPS who served me mentioned they do have a lot of problems with one of the pipes that sit at the back of the engine that connects to the PCV, I think its the metal one that is shown on 'PCV update' posted by pudding. He said the latter cars have a revised pipe (mine was one) which aren't so problematic.

Do you have a part number of what VW changed?

Just been through the service book receipts and I can confirm a Turbo boost hose was supplied and fitted by Beadles VW Maidstone. I am assuming this is the parts number: V1K0 145 832 P. This was changed on 27/07/16.

Today I have noticed a short hissing(possibly a whistle) type of noise coming from outside the window for a period of 2-4seconds. Usually after putting my foot down a little.

So you're saying my PCV could possibly be on its way out even though no fault codes came up as well as passing the dipstick test?

That hose connects the intercooler to the turbo discharge pipe, so it's not part of the PCV plumbing.   Do you get the noise in boost, or when you back off the throttle?

Everyone has a different approach to a new car,  but me personally, I replace everything whether it's needed or not, so I can start again from a clean slate.

Within a week of buying my ED30, I replaced all of the above items I listed, along with fresh oil + filter, spark plugs, MAF, coils, air filter, the lot!
I take it to VW to get the rubber service stamps (otherwise you get too many daft questions and low ball offers come resale), but I do the oil and filter every 5K anyway.

It's been a VERY reliable car from keeping on top of the maintenance  :happy2:

The noise when I back off the throttle.

I probably will service it soon just for peace of mind, but for now just need to fogure out whats causing my car these problems.

I'm losing miles too, its drinking.

As for that hose, I was told that there was a hole in it previously thats what caused the hissing sound. Therefore VW replaced it. Could this or components within this area be causing my car problems?

Prob will get it looked at before replacing anything but incline to changing the pcv.

Just for information, car has done 130k and was last serviced at 126k, reckon the battery needs changing? Probably right...

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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2016, 04:11:07 pm »
@UniquEd30

I've been doing a bit of digging to confirm that the part number I gave you is correct. It seems you'll need one of two revisions, depending on the part number on your existing PCV - either the revision R or the revision P. Details and part numbers in this Vortex post:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7649049-2-0t-FSI-PCV-Valve-Replacement-06F129101P-06F129101R

Hope this helps bud.

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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2016, 06:14:35 pm »
My local TPS just go by the reg plate. Always quick, efficient and I normally get some form of discount over what I'd pay at the dealers too!

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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2016, 10:00:16 pm »
@UniquEd30

I've been doing a bit of digging to confirm that the part number I gave you is correct. It seems you'll need one of two revisions, depending on the part number on your existing PCV - either the revision R or the revision P. Details and part numbers in this Vortex post:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7649049-2-0t-FSI-PCV-Valve-Replacement-06F129101P-06F129101R

Hope this helps bud.

Thanks pal, you and a few others in here have been a great help.

Will need to order and get it installed. I hope its the PCV and nothing else making jt an easy fix.

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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2016, 10:10:47 pm »
No probs, happy to help. Fingers crossed it sorts it - keep us updated.

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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2016, 09:46:19 am »
If you update the front PCV valve, you need to make sure the rear one (the metal corrugated pipe that goes from the cam cover to the turbo) is also the updated one with the check valve in it.

I did the front only on mine (revision P at the time) initially and the revs bounced up and down at idle.  Fitted the newer rear pipe and it sorted it.  Mine's an 07 plate.

@UniqueED30 - I would have a look at the dump valve.  It might be split.  You would only get leaks from the new boost pipe if they didn't fit it properly.  It comes with new O rings, so I doubt they are worn out, but look for a puddle of oil on the belly tray at the pipe connections.  If you see that, boosted air is escaping.


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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2016, 08:00:15 pm »
If you update the front PCV valve, you need to make sure the rear one (the metal corrugated pipe that goes from the cam cover to the turbo) is also the updated one with the check valve in it.

I did the front only on mine (revision P at the time) initially and the revs bounced up and down at idle.  Fitted the newer rear pipe and it sorted it.  Mine's an 07 plate.

@UniqueED30 - I would have a look at the dump valve.  It might be split.  You would only get leaks from the new boost pipe if they didn't fit it properly.  It comes with new O rings, so I doubt they are worn out, but look for a puddle of oil on the belly tray at the pipe connections.  If you see that, boosted air is escaping.

just wanted to weigh in on the PCV/check valve quandry... This is what i found a while back, copied from an older post of mine:

"It seems revisions E, G and P require breather pipe with valve. Revisions N, L, K, F, C and R do not.

sources:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=44709.0
http://shopdap.com/2-0t-fsi-pcv-valve-failure-how-it-sounds-and-more/

The first link shows how the rev G requires the check valve, the second shows the two "types" of PCV. So reading between the lines I think that suggests which types do/do not require the "valved" breather hose."

I went from N -> R and did not have the breather pipe changed.   :happy2:
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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2016, 12:43:18 am »
Anyone from London by any chance wanna help me have a look at my car?  :laugh:

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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2016, 01:29:13 pm »
No probs, happy to help. Fingers crossed it sorts it - keep us updated.

So what I've noticed today was driving for a duration of 20mins mainly motorway miles, my temp sat at 70'c, as I arrived to my destination and parked, it went up to just below 90'c. strange right?

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Re: New. Ed30 owner. Recent loss of power. Revs up&down when idle.
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2016, 04:31:36 pm »
No probs, happy to help. Fingers crossed it sorts it - keep us updated.

So what I've noticed today was driving for a duration of 20mins mainly motorway miles, my temp sat at 70'c, as I arrived to my destination and parked, it went up to just below 90'c. strange right?

That sounds like a thermostat stuck open - meaning some coolant is always flowing through the radiator and keeping your temperatures down. Normally the thermostat should keep the coolant around the engine till it reaches temperature, at which point the radiator is bought in to the circuit via thermostat opening.

At least, thats the general idea. Not sure of the intimate details of the MK5 GTI (I understand there are two thermostats).

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