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Very budget track build
pudding:
Damping adjustment is very useful for track work. Whack it up to the max on track, dial it back again for the journey home :happy2:
Sounds like the PSS10s are more suitable for your needs. Maybe sell the PSS9s to help fund them?
ARBs can help but they add to the spring rate also in the corners, which isn't pleasant if they are at max stiffness and one wheel hits a bump!
Clarkj93:
Yeah they would have been better but they seem like poor value when they're sometimes nearly double the price of b14 themselves for just adding adjustment, as important as that is I bet they're not twice the damper.
Bc racing br is uber popular but frankly it bugged me that everyone had it and wanted to try something different and also too much for your money - was not convinced it would be great quality of damping or the valving was actually suitable for the application, I've heard it's a generic formula for them, the adjustable top mounts would have been nice though.
I want to learn more about dampers and the valving and spring rates before scouring a new set I think anyway but won't be getting a new set any time soon, more important things needed first. I like how Gaz actually tailor to what you want when ordering the golds, I know they don't last forever but can be rebuilt and some successful race cars run them. Ast's are raved about but expensive like KW's and Ohlins etc.
pudding:
Suspension can be a nightmare to figure out, not to mention expensive. Sometimes it pays to consult an expert to get precisely the right spring and damper rates for your car.
I did that years ago with my Corrado and Julian at BalanceMotorsport did all the calculations for me (roll centres, weights, motion ratios etc etc...it gets complicated) which led me to Gaz's door, and a set of Gold coilovers. The ride and body control were epic, but the quality was abysmal.
Anyway, long story short...... Gaz Gold and Ohlins DFV are the only two stand out coilovers I've tried over the years, and I've tried a lot!
I don't like Bilstein stuff, never have. It's totally not suited to UK roads. Either too stiff or too soft. Even their OE spec B4s (which I'm currently using) are complete garbage.
KWs I found were over rated, pretty middling really.....but the Inox ones last forever.
Never tried AST but hear they are tops :happy2:
If you want top mounts, nothing comes close to Ground Control. Unfortunately those and AST 3 ways are almost worth more than the car :grin:
Clarkj93:
--- Quote from: Pudding on August 19, 2022, 11:02:59 am ---Suspension can be a nightmare to figure out, not to mention expensive. Sometimes it pays to consult an expert to get precisely the right spring and damper rates for your car.
I did that years ago with my Corrado and Julian at BalanceMotorsport did all the calculations for me (roll centres, weights, motion ratios etc etc...it gets complicated) which led me to Gaz's door, and a set of Gold coilovers. The ride and body control were epic, but the quality was abysmal.
Anyway, long story short...... Gaz Gold and Ohlins DFV are the only two stand out coilovers I've tried over the years, and I've tried a lot!
I don't like Bilstein stuff, never have. It's totally not suited to UK roads. Either too stiff or too soft. Even their OE spec B4s (which I'm currently using) are complete garbage.
KWs I found were over rated, pretty middling really.....but the Inox ones last forever.
Never tried AST but hear they are tops :happy2:
If you want top mounts, nothing comes close to Ground Control. Unfortunately those and AST 3 ways are almost worth more than the car :grin:
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Yeah I was thinking of doing the same next time!
Yeah I got to say the B14 is a weird one as on a narrower circuit or low grip circuit the feel good but on hard long bends on a high grip surface they do feel too soft. But considering they're more marketed for road and some track I got to say I'd be pissed off if I bought them just for the road, sh*t road manners even when I had no arb's on, the rebound is just stiff enough that it destroys the comfort. Feels good though on a bumpy circuit but terrible on the road.
Yeah I think I will end up with ground control mounts at some point as I do want more camber, just nothing else comes close. Silver projects do dead cheap mounts but unsure as I've heard some dodgy things about their top mounts in the past... like more on the lines of dangerous rather than just a bit iffy.
pudding:
--- Quote from: Clarkj93 on August 19, 2022, 11:18:39 am ---
--- Quote from: Pudding on August 19, 2022, 11:02:59 am ---Suspension can be a nightmare to figure out, not to mention expensive. Sometimes it pays to consult an expert to get precisely the right spring and damper rates for your car.
I did that years ago with my Corrado and Julian at BalanceMotorsport did all the calculations for me (roll centres, weights, motion ratios etc etc...it gets complicated) which led me to Gaz's door, and a set of Gold coilovers. The ride and body control were epic, but the quality was abysmal.
Anyway, long story short...... Gaz Gold and Ohlins DFV are the only two stand out coilovers I've tried over the years, and I've tried a lot!
I don't like Bilstein stuff, never have. It's totally not suited to UK roads. Either too stiff or too soft. Even their OE spec B4s (which I'm currently using) are complete garbage.
KWs I found were over rated, pretty middling really.....but the Inox ones last forever.
Never tried AST but hear they are tops :happy2:
If you want top mounts, nothing comes close to Ground Control. Unfortunately those and AST 3 ways are almost worth more than the car :grin:
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Yeah I was thinking of doing the same next time!
Yeah I got to say the B14 is a weird one as on a narrower circuit or low grip circuit the feel good but on hard long bends on a high grip surface they do feel too soft. But considering they're more marketed for road and some track I got to say I'd be pissed off if I bought them just for the road, sh*t road manners even when I had no arb's on, the rebound is just stiff enough that it destroys the comfort. Feels good though on a bumpy circuit but terrible on the road.
Yeah I think I will end up with ground control mounts at some point as I do want more camber, just nothing else comes close. Silver projects do dead cheap mounts but unsure as I've heard some dodgy things about their top mounts in the past... like more on the lines of dangerous rather than just a bit iffy.
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On the Corrado, I switched from H&R Comfort coilovers (PSS9 with H&Rs own springs) to the Gaz Gold, and it was a revelation! But because the Golds only lasted approx. 9 months, I then went to KW V3.....and they were crap if I'm honest. Way under damped, even on the stiffest settings. Gaz were great about the failure though, but I just didn't trust them again after that experience.
See, that's exactly what I mean about Bilstein coilovers. Their high speed compression valving is just ridiculously over the top and unnecessary. People that get on with them must have smooth roads is all I can say!
The Ohlins are like the Bilsteins but without the harshness over bumps, and come with sensible spring rates. 70n/mm front and 60n/mm rear. That's approx twice factory spring rate, but works well because of the damping quality and factory arbs. Still works great with Eibach arbs but ride does suffer a little, but not as much as other coilovers.
Yeah the cheap stuff makes me wonder in terms of structural integrity! The GCs are just so frickin expensive. When you hold a set in your hands, you see why though!
BC Racing are OKish....but generic damping as you say. You're in the same place I was 4 or 5 years ago! Not happy with the usual offerings but the good stuff is too expensive :grin:
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