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Very budget track build
Clarkj93:
Yeah KW is twin tube across the range isn't it as well? Which I see no benefit of for my application.
Part of me was wondering the other week if you could get It modified by someone in the know, so modify the current b14 dampers valving for a Stiffer compression or just Stiffer in general with the same bump/rebound ratio and get it valved to work with Stiffer and linear springs.
I noticed that 034 motorsport have started doing static top mounts of an additional 1.5 neg camber but at almost the same price of GC without castor settings so sounds like terrible value when compared.
pudding:
Yeah they don't do monotubes. There are pros and cons for both types of damper but Monotubes are better for track days as as they don't bend as much in the corners and also don't suffer from oil cavitation. Road cars don't tend to push dampers very hard, so generally always come with twin tubes as they're also much cheaper to make. KW offer a lifetime warranty on the inox V3s, or they used to at least, and you won't see that kind of warranty with monotubes :grin:
The main negatives of monotubes are harsher ride and shorter life span. They tend to feel the same across the brands because of how they work, except where companies like Ohlins use a 'blow off' valve to bleed off some of the high speed compression forces (riding apex kerbs etc) which gives you better wheel control. I think AST do something similar.
Bilstein and KW only get decent with their clubsport range, but you wouldn't like them on the road :grin:
Linear springs all the way :happy2: Progressives are unpredictable and inconsistent.
The GCs are the only mount I would consider. OEM BMW bearings for the springs, which last forever, but are only £25 each when the time comes....and for the damper rods they use fairly decent Aurora spherical bearings, but I upgraded mine to NMB bearings which are heavier duty :happy2:
I think the cost of consultation and revalving your existing dampers might not be good VFM vs upgrading them to adjustables, but have some chats with race experts and see what they say :happy2: It never hurts and they tend to raise things you might not have considered.
My chat with BalanceMotorsport ended up with Gaz Gold coilovers running much softer spring rates than I would have used, but it worked really well. That's why the MK7 Clubsport S broke the ring lap record.....because it used softer suspension :happy2:
Clarkj93:
--- Quote from: Pudding on August 20, 2022, 06:05:28 pm ---Yeah they don't do monotubes. There are pros and cons for both types of damper but Monotubes are better for track days as as they don't bend as much in the corners and also don't suffer from oil cavitation. Road cars don't tend to push dampers very hard, so generally always come with twin tubes as they're also much cheaper to make. KW offer a lifetime warranty on the inox V3s, or they used to at least, and you won't see that kind of warranty with monotubes :grin:
The main negatives of monotubes are harsher ride and shorter life span. They tend to feel the same across the brands because of how they work, except where companies like Ohlins use a 'blow off' valve to bleed off some of the high speed compression forces (riding apex kerbs etc) which gives you better wheel control. I think AST do something similar.
Bilstein and KW only get decent with their clubsport range, but you wouldn't like them on the road :grin:
Linear springs all the way :happy2: Progressives are unpredictable and inconsistent.
The GCs are the only mount I would consider. OEM BMW bearings for the springs, which last forever, but are only £25 each when the time comes....and for the damper rods they use fairly decent Aurora spherical bearings, but I upgraded mine to NMB bearings which are heavier duty :happy2:
I think the cost of consultation and revalving your existing dampers might not be good VFM vs upgrading them to adjustables, but have some chats with race experts and see what they say :happy2: It never hurts and they tend to raise things you might not have considered.
My chat with BalanceMotorsport ended up with Gaz Gold coilovers running much softer spring rates than I would have used, but it worked really well. That's why the MK7 Clubsport S broke the ring lap record.....because it used softer suspension :happy2:
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Yeah all true!
I imagine il revisit the damping when I plan to install the TT hubs I've had in the shed for over a year now, I imagine I will end up going for either:
- something cheap and generic with adjustable top mounts like yellowspeed/Bc racing
- take a punt on GAZ golds longevity but tailored setup with GC mounts
- don't tell the Mrs or the bank and get Ast's and their top mounts and boast about them to everyone
We will see when the time comes :grin:
pudding:
The TT hubs are a good move as it drops the ball joint pivots down 50mm, which is brilliant for roll centre :happy2:
Gaz's quality issues should be a thing of the past now. My bad experience was in 2006, but everything that could go wrong with a damper, did go wrong :grin: Blown seals, chrome plate flaking off the damper rods, seized spring perches.....and all within 9 months of purchase :grin: Dunno why I'm laughing as that was £1100 down the drain :doh: :grin:
My Mrs always gets told half to a third of the real price when asked :grin:
Clarkj93:
--- Quote from: Pudding on August 24, 2022, 01:32:54 pm ---The TT hubs are a good move as it drops the ball joint pivots down 50mm, which is brilliant for roll centre :happy2:
Gaz's quality issues should be a thing of the past now. My bad experience was in 2006, but everything that could go wrong with a damper, did go wrong :grin: Blown seals, chrome plate flaking off the damper rods, seized spring perches.....and all within 9 months of purchase :grin: Dunno why I'm laughing as that was £1100 down the drain :doh: :grin:
My Mrs always gets told half to a third of the real price when asked :grin:
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Yeah I've wanted them on for a while, I'm so close to the arches currently which I've already folded that they'll need chopping up and wider arch extensions put on so left it for now. Bit longer as well, can't remember how much so a bit extra track width, better roll centre and more static camber achievable and less unsprung weight, win win! Ryan from Darkside told me they'll work with just the TT driveshafts and tie rods, he mentioned just bare in mind it's alarming how little thread engagement there is but all the cup cars run like this without issue. Whether that's still suitable for a car that does 2k road miles a year I don't know :grin:
Yeah I'd hope so, the tailored option is very appealing to be honest.
Hahha someone else told me before to describe everything as a safety issue. Only thing she's ever agreed with is getting the bigger golf r setup on as she experienced no brakes from the passenger seat at Combe and was too scared to get back in after that😅
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