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Makaveli:
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RR you could see in the replays that ark could have literally pushed Vettel right off of the track and kept him behind but Mark obviously doesnt see himself as bigger than the team. Plus when Mark has turned his engine down its hardly surprising Vettel had the speed after he didnt bother listening to the team order and kept his on full power.
Alot of ex F1 stars are calling for Vettel to receive a 1 race ban(awarded by the team) to show him hes not bigger than the team. I think that would be a great idea.
I was actually gutted Alonso crashed out, which i never thought id say. After watching him lst season i have ALOT more respect for him than i did before, he deserved it last season and might be the best chance we have of seeing redbull knocked off the next title.
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....I was gutted about Alonso crashing out too (I wish it had been either Raikonnen or Webber! :evilgrin:). I went through a couple of seasons of disliking Alonso but have changed my mind about him since he has been at Ferrari. I don't think that I will ever like Raikonnen though!
Reports I've read (from Christian Horner IIRC) state that both Red Bull cars were in the same state of engine mode. Webber isn't exactly as squeaky clean as he makes out - I'm referring the to last time these two had a set-to which ended with them both off. On this 2013 occasion, Webber nearly put Vettel into the pit exit wall.
I think we all need to put aside who are our favourite drivers are and realise that of course a driver puts himself ahead of the team - I think it's fundamentally in their psyche/character to win at all costs and especially in the heat of the moment. The teams and drivers need each other but it's rather like the fable of the frog giving the scorpion a lift across the river and the scorpion then stinging the frog after the river crossing - Why? - Because it's simply in the scorpion's nature. It's in the nature of a F1 racing driver to win and to beat every rival including and especially their team mate.
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RedRobin I think you are missing a crucial bit of the argument here... assuming both drivers turned down their engines at the same time and Webber is of the belief Vettel is not going to overtake him as was agreed. It would be logical to think Webber was going alot slower without letting those cars from rival teams catch up with himself and Vettel. Therefore while Webber is cruising along and taking it easy Vettel closed the gap further and took advantage by overtaking - how is that fair? I personally would consider that as cheating as he took advantage of Webber cruising at a lower speed whereas if Webber was driving competitively he could have driven harder and possibly extended the gap between himself and Vettel. We dont know what would have happened if both drivers were to race to the finish but as far as I am concerned they were both playing by different rules so it wasnt fair on Webber.
RedRobin:
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@ Makaveli:
Who said that racing for the F1 championship had to be "fair"?
Vettel certainly took full advantage, Webber tried to resist but couldn't, so Vettel got to the chequered flag first and won the extra championship points. To win a championship a driver has to be ruthless and Vettel has that quality/characteristic.
Vettel's overtake was unpopular (although it was very exciting and enjoyable to watch).... So what.
F1 racing is constantly full of events which might be termed as unfair, both on and off the track.
RedRobin:
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Who agrees that Suzi Perry is so far doing a really great job of presenting F1 on BBC?
Jake Humphry was an extremely difficult act to follow.
Makaveli:
--- Quote from: RedRobin on March 28, 2013, 05:32:16 pm ---^^^^
@ Makaveli:
Who said that racing for the F1 championship had to be "fair"?
Vettel certainly took full advantage, Webber tried to resist but couldn't, so Vettel got to the chequered flag first and won the extra championship points. To win a championship a driver has to be ruthless and Vettel has that quality/characteristic.
Vettel's overtake was unpopular (although it was very exciting and enjoyable to watch).... So what.
F1 racing is constantly full of events which might be termed as unfair, both on and off the track.
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I guess it all comes down to ethics! What you think is acceptable may not be seen as acceptable to others, I will leave it at that.
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