MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Cosmetic/Interior Modifications => Topic started by: RedRobin on January 22, 2011, 04:20:47 pm
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A bit of history first so that anyone unfamiliar can better understand the modification we're trying to do:
Like the better known automotive lighting company Hella, Valeo manufacture oem light units for Volkswagen. The units are VW marked and approved and carry the oem part numbers. A while ago some of us discovered that we could buy Valeo LED tail lights for our Mk5 Golfs. Their style, not casing shape, is the same as VW have used as standard for the Passat, Golf Plus, and Polo, and is also the same in that the inner 2 units on the bootlid are moulded and surfaced to receive LED bulbs but none are installed! I don't know exactly why this is but think that VW possibly commissioned their design but later decided to save costs. Or it could be just to achieve a more cohesive style across all 4 units. The production line Mk5 Golfs don't even have LED outer tail lights. The Mk6, or should I say Mk5.5, does but it's a different shape and design, so not usable.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.static.flickr.com%2F1%2F125092747_0ccd2d2aaf.jpg%3Fv%3D0&hash=07febfafc44f03465a1c04a7cf5b3f70b61cfe25)
^ VW Golf Plus casings with Valeo LED outer units and 'dummy' inners.
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^ VW Passat casings with Valeo LED outer units and 'dummy' inners.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FLED_closeup1.jpg&hash=07c33d0390c097dca99ac1a483e2a25c1dac4d6a)
^ VW Mk5 Golf casings with Valeo LED outer units and 'dummy' inners.
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FTailLights_oem.jpg&hash=242a6cf3e91e328ba5d411e7d6991cf7cdc5e58f)
^ Valeo and standard oem inner unit comparison on Mk5 GTI.
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^ Oem inner units (bootlid) with Valeo fully functional LED outer units.
You can just plug 'n play the mix while your inner units are away being modified.
It has been quite a long journey so far sourcing what is needed so that everything will pass MOT and is practical and viable to produce. Currently, my friend Chris has sourced a control unit which is wired for all combinations and Neo aka cmdrfire is liaising with him to design and source PCB boards. We are using Osram LEDs the same as Volkswagen use and signal strengths will also match.
Resulting functionality can be as follows:
1) - The 2 outer units will remain exactly as they are.
2) - The 2 inner units will have Osram LEDs so that they can have:
- Legal red tail lights resulting in quad display.
- Legal brake lights resulting in quad display.
- Legal strength rear foglights resulting in twin display (optional).
- The central lenses of both inner units can display legal white reversing lights (optional).
We have decided it's far too tedious and potentially expensive to attempt matching 'amber yellow' indicator lights to result in quad display. Our thinking is to be able to offer a service to modify other people's Valeo tail lights in small batches. Until my 'prototype' is complete we won't know cost or viability but it's now looking good thanks to Neo's input.
Valeo LED tails can be sourced from Kunzmann, Germany but if anyone knows additional sources, please let me know:
http://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/tuning-styling-vw-golf-5-v-led-rear-lights-set-candy-red-for-vw-golf-5-v.htm
Here is the updated list for folks registering a serious interest so that we have some idea of how many PCB's to have manufactured etc. Adding your name to this list is not a commitment at this stage - You'll need to know the cost.
1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
10 - apollo13
11- JamboV6
12- Big Al
13- GTIain
14- Edd666999
15- heavyd
16- Gti Mad
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Er, correction on the functionality.
The new inner LED PCBs will be capable of "normal" (i.e, sidelight and dipped-on) functionality, and a higher intensity brakelight functionality which will augment the existing brake lights. It is not anticipated that fog-lamp capability will be retained on the PCBs as that would require a third level of intensity, a greater current requirement and IIRC you can't have a single tail/brake/fog light. Fog-lamp functionality will be retained in the existing manner, i.e., through the use of the fog-lamp bulb.
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Er, correction on the functionality.
The new inner LED PCBs will be capable of "normal" (i.e, sidelight and dipped-on) functionality, and a higher intensity brakelight functionality which will augment the existing brake lights. It is not anticipated that fog-lamp capability will be retained on the PCBs as that would require a third level of intensity, a greater current requirement and IIRC you can't have a single tail/brake/fog light. Fog-lamp functionality will be retained in the existing manner, i.e., through the use of the fog-lamp bulb.
I can with mine if I so desired.......... :happy2:
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Er, correction on the functionality.
The new inner LED PCBs will be capable of "normal" (i.e, sidelight and dipped-on) functionality, and a higher intensity brakelight functionality which will augment the existing brake lights. It is not anticipated that fog-lamp capability will be retained on the PCBs as that would require a third level of intensity, a greater current requirement and IIRC you can't have a single tail/brake/fog light. Fog-lamp functionality will be retained in the existing manner, i.e., through the use of the fog-lamp bulb.
....Slight misunderstanding: Chris thought that by using the unit he has found, we could have legal rear foglight strength as a third function, but perhaps he's wrong - We need to check.
Don't forget that the outer functional units remain exactly the same and so any tail/brake/fog/reverse lights on the bootlid are additional to legal requirements. The new additional reversing light would be in place (literally and with clear lens on oem fog) of the single rear foglight.
Am I mistaken?
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Remember the output/brightness of each function can be altered in VCDS.
Thats how I manged to turn off the outer lights 'tail' function to give me twin 'donuts'.
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Twin donuts :signLOL:
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Remember the output/brightness of each function can be altered in VCDS.
....And that the rear fogs are physically actioned by the dashboard manual switch. Logically I reckon we can do it..... Neo?
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Twin donuts :signLOL:
....Donuts are no good without jam in the middle :grin:
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Yes Robin the 'twin fogs are still controlled by the dash switch as normal.
I 'think' your forgetting about the use of VCDS in all this. If you want the 'inners' to perform brake/tail/fog functions you need to code with VCDS.
If you just want tail/brake its just a matter of 'splicing' into the wiring loom at the rear 'outer' light.
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I'm very unfamiliar with VCDS but know it's probably the 'easy' part which we can look into later(?). The problem has been sourcing a PCB and the controller (tow-bar relay wired box thingy). I think we're getting there - I have to stay on top of Neo and Chris who are both always very busy. I'm the go-between and networker!
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What is this controller? There is definately nothing like that in/with mine.
From what I can see its a flexible circular PCB with a ring of leds with a + and - trailing lead, connected to the + lead is 3 resistors one each for the stop/tail and fog functions.........
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I'm probably using the incorrect term when I refer to it as a "controller". It's more of a relay, I guess. Chris decided it would be a very easy and practical way for wiring - It's basically a modern box used for extending all the rear lighting connections and functions to a trailer when towing. He would know the detail but all that matters to me is that he says it has simplified the job. I don't know if he and Neo have discussed this box yet.
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Robin there is a plug and play solution if they can manage to get the inners to perform 3 functions.
But it requires VCDS changes as the inners will use the feed from the old fog light.
Get Chris to call me and I can explain things much better :happy2:
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Robin there is a plug and play solution if they can manage to get the inners to perform 3 functions.
But it requires VCDS changes as the inners will use the feed from the old fog light.
Get Chris to call me and I can explain things much better :happy2:
....Will do. I think I have your number in a PM. Daytime phonecall ok? :happy2:
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Eeh, we could do inner LED foglamp functionality I suppose. There's no reason we cannot, it's just that the discussion I had with Chris we agreed on the "normal" and "brake" functionality. I'll have a chat with him again on Monday.
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I'm probably using the incorrect term when I refer to it as a "controller". It's more of a relay, I guess. Chris decided it would be a very easy and practical way for wiring - It's basically a modern box used for extending all the rear lighting connections and functions to a trailer when towing. He would know the detail but all that matters to me is that he says it has simplified the job. I don't know if he and Neo have discussed this box yet.
Chris's controller, from what I can tell, is a proper electronic device capable of decoding analogue voltage levels sent to it by the car's control system. No bleed resistors here :S that doesn't strike me as a particularly nice solution, it's rather crude.
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Robin there is a plug and play solution if they can manage to get the inners to perform 3 functions.
But it requires VCDS changes as the inners will use the feed from the old fog light.
Get Chris to call me and I can explain things much better :happy2:
I understand about the "plug-and-play" functionality and the VCDS changes - we can use VCDS to set the two inners as reverse lights (a la US cars) and use the fog-lamp signal to activate the third level of intensity on the PCBs.
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Robin there is a plug and play solution if they can manage to get the inners to perform 3 functions.
But it requires VCDS changes as the inners will use the feed from the old fog light.
Get Chris to call me and I can explain things much better :happy2:
I understand about the "plug-and-play" functionality and the VCDS changes - we can use VCDS to set the two inners as reverse lights (a la US cars) and use the fog-lamp signal to activate the third level of intensity on the PCBs.
You can actually use VCDS to activate brake and tail functions aswell as fog using the fog lamp signal...
As for the twin reverse lights, thats just a simple/crude wiring loom from the existing reverse light to the other. US cars dont have the fog light wired so they have twin reverse from factory.
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Eeh, we could do inner LED foglamp functionality I suppose. There's no reason we cannot, it's just that the discussion I had with Chris we agreed on the "normal" and "brake" functionality. I'll have a chat with him again on Monday.
....Chris did say he'd forgotten to mention to you I wanted 2 fogs if possible.
Chris's controller, from what I can tell, is a proper electronic device capable of decoding analogue voltage levels sent to it by the car's control system. No bleed resistors here :S that doesn't strike me as a particularly nice solution, it's rather crude.
....Then I think that's something more for you to discuss with him. :happy2:
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Chris's controller, from what I can tell, is a proper electronic device capable of decoding analogue voltage levels sent to it by the car's control system. No bleed resistors here :S that doesn't strike me as a particularly nice solution, it's rather crude.
....Then I think that's something more for you to discuss with him. :happy2:
I'm waiting for Chris to email me the datasheet on the controller :happy2: As I understand, it's an OEM part used on some other cars that accepts an analogue input from the car and outputs an appropriate voltage.
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I'm waiting for Chris to email me the datasheet on the controller :happy2: As I understand, it's an OEM part used on some other cars that accepts an analogue input from the car and outputs an appropriate voltage.
....I'm not sure he has your email. Best to txt him your E addy?
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I have done already!
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Am I right in thinking that you are hoping to sell these as uk spec?
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All i want is twin rings, not interested in 2 reverse lights, indicators or fogs
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This loks great.
I have had a look about but I can't find where to buy the lights? Could you point me in the right direction?
If I can find some I will be looking to you guys to get them legal. :drinking:
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Am I right in thinking that you are hoping to sell these as uk spec?
....No. A couple of us are wanting to modify our existing Valeo LED tail lights and a few others have expressed interest in doing the same. After solving how to do it for ourselves we might (according to how complicated or labour intensive it gets) offer to modify other people's units if they send them to us. They will be UK spec so that they pass MOT and are road legal. Not interested in any other result.
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@ Neo and Lee:
Have spoken again to Chris and he thinks that the "relay interface" he's got (towing thingy box I mentioned earlier) doesn't need VCDS and he pointed out that its wires are capable of handling 3 or 12 volts through the same wire. He's got experience of using this relay interface box.
His next move is to email you, Neo, with the info you've discussed. (Yes, he has your email - My bad).
So far, so good and I'll keep up my job of coordinating and chasing so it all happens. Lee, we know you're willing and able and waiting in the wings if we need your input, mate.
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Now seems as good a time as any to start a provisional list of folks interested in modifying the inner units of their Valeo's. This will give us a clue about quantity of PCB's Neo gets produced.
Please copy and add your name if seriously interested at this stage.
1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 -
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i would be intrested robin if you could point me in the right direction 2 buy the lights
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i would be intrested robin if you could point me in the right direction 2 buy the lights
....daboy3000 is also interested to source the Valeo lights and probably thinks I'm ignoring him. I best do a search and post up the info. Back soon...........
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@ Neo and Lee:
Have spoken again to Chris and he thinks that the "relay interface" he's got (towing thingy box I mentioned earlier) doesn't need VCDS and he pointed out that its wires are capable of handling 3 or 12 volts through the same wire. He's got experience of using this relay interface box.
His next move is to email you, Neo, with the info you've discussed. (Yes, he has your email - My bad).
So far, so good and I'll keep up my job of coordinating and chasing so it all happens. Lee, we know you're willing and able and waiting in the wings if we need your input, mate.
I know the controller does not require VCDS itself, but it may be necessary to set it so that both reverse lights work. Not sure, I'll wait 'til I've seen the datasheet and had a good look-over and seen the functionality.
Please bear in mind that it may be a little while before we get these - We've got to look at what sort of data we have to work with, I've got to design and lay out the PCBs, then we will get some one- or two-off prototypes made and assembled (which will probably be fairly expensive, maybe £50/side as a rough guess as there'll be machining work to be done etc). After that they need to be tested off the car, then on the car, and make sure all the functionality works as intended. After that we can got to a batch PCB house in China and get a whole bunch made for everyone, that will be a much more reasonable cost but the downside is that the batch processing will take some time (IIRC used to be 14-30 days, but may be less now).
After they come back, they'll have to be assembled, and tested, and then (being an auto engineer) I think I'd insist on a conformal coat to protect them, btu that shouldn't take too long.
The end goal will be for some inner tail LEDs that will be reasonably priced, built to near-automotive standard, and capable of a variety of functionality - "normal" operation (on with sidelights/dipped lights), brake functionality (if desired), and fog-lamp functionality (if desired) with the two inner filament lamps being used for reversing lights. No point messing about with half-assed fixes and electronics that will break over time.
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
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For anyone who wants to buy some Valeo LED tails, I understand this is a current reasonable source cheaper than from VW dealers:
http://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/tuning-styling-vw-golf-5-v-led-rear-lights-set-candy-red-for-vw-golf-5-v.htm
^ "kunzmann"!? < I don't think I want to translate that!
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I know the controller does not require VCDS itself, but it may be necessary to set it so that both reverse lights work. Not sure, I'll wait 'til I've seen the datasheet and had a good look-over and seen the functionality.
Please bear in mind that it may be a little while before we get these - We've got to look at what sort of data we have to work with, I've got to design and lay out the PCBs, then we will get some one- or two-off prototypes made and assembled (which will probably be fairly expensive, maybe £50/side as a rough guess as there'll be machining work to be done etc). After that they need to be tested off the car, then on the car, and make sure all the functionality works as intended. After that we can got to a batch PCB house in China and get a whole bunch made for everyone, that will be a much more reasonable cost but the downside is that the batch processing will take some time (IIRC used to be 14-30 days, but may be less now).
After they come back, they'll have to be assembled, and tested, and then (being an auto engineer) I think I'd insist on a conformal coat to protect them, btu that shouldn't take too long.
The end goal will be for some inner tail LEDs that will be reasonably priced, built to near-automotive standard, and capable of a variety of functionality - "normal" operation (on with sidelights/dipped lights), brake functionality (if desired), and fog-lamp functionality (if desired) with the two inner filament lamps being used for reversing lights. No point messing about with half-assed fixes and electronics that will break over time.
....I'm impressed! I see you're pissing excellence again. I agree that this is the standard best to achieve. :happy2:
For those of us wanting twin reverse lights, we'll have to source a white inner lens to replace the red one. I'll check, but I think Chris has direct contact with Valeo so may be able to help.
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Twin HID reverse lights might help see what's behind :evilgrin: The standard 1 candle power lamp is pretty useless. It'll look good being symmetrical :party:
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Twin HID reverse lights might help see what's behind :evilgrin: The standard 1 candle power lamp is pretty useless. It'll look good being symmetrical :party:
I'll have to disagree, with the Mk 6 RVC fitted even the darkest of nights the std. reverse light is more than enough :evilgrin:
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Twin HID reverse lights might help see what's behind :evilgrin: The standard 1 candle power lamp is pretty useless. It'll look good being symmetrical :party:
....I don't find seeing behind at night a particular problem except that the extra reversing light would further help check out the other side. I much prefer a symmetrical look too.
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I'd defo be interest in this.
Ive been looking to source lights so i'd need to do that first! But once i have :happy2:
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I'd defo be interest in this.
Ive been looking to source lights so i'd need to do that first! But once i have :happy2:
....The list is only provisional - We are fairly confident now it can all be done but don't know costs yet, so being on the list isn't a commitment but is just a genuine serious interest in going ahead so we can buy enough purpose-made PCBs.
I think I'll add this list and Valeo source to my first post in this thread and keep it updated.
1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 -
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Twin HID reverse lights might help see what's behind :evilgrin: The standard 1 candle power lamp is pretty useless. It'll look good being symmetrical :party:
I'll have to disagree, with the Mk 6 RVC fitted even the darkest of nights the std. reverse light is more than enough :evilgrin:
That's cheating :laugh:
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Twin HID reverse lights might help see what's behind :evilgrin: The standard 1 candle power lamp is pretty useless. It'll look good being symmetrical :party:
I'll have to disagree, with the Mk 6 RVC fitted even the darkest of nights the std. reverse light is more than enough :evilgrin:
That's cheating :laugh:
It's soooo cool, the camera must be very light sensitive. Really shows all there is behind the car :P
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
10 - apollo13
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
10 - apollo13
11- JamboV6
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Crikey, serious interest here :surprised:
Obviously with more quantity we will drive the eventual per-unit price down. Better start sourcing the supply chain... and I must message Chris again, still no email. I'll keep everyone updated as to what's going on.
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Crikey, serious interest here :surprised:
Obviously with more quantity we will drive the eventual per-unit price down. Better start sourcing the supply chain... and I must message Chris again, still no email. I'll keep everyone updated as to what's going on.
I popped by Chris's workshop this morning - He hasn't forgotten but is very busy (installing a mega-bucks Rainbow system in a big American motor-home) and was working til 11pm last night. But if you txt him and I'll keep up bending his ear - We'll get there!
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
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....Hi Marky, are you putting Valeo LED tails on your Pirelli then?
This whole mod is very 'OEM Plus'. I must PM TC to see if he's interested as I know he has Valeo's on his white steed.
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
10 - apollo13
11- JamboV6
12- Big Al
(dependant on price of cause, though I presume that will be down to how many people want this doing?
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....Hi Marky, are you putting Valeo LED tails on your Pirelli then?
This whole mod is very 'OEM Plus'. I must PM TC to see if he's interested as I know he has Valeo's on his white steed.
The outers are already on her! :happy2:
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12- Big Al
(dependant on price of cause, though I presume that will be down to how many people want this doing?
....It's all down to price ultimately, Al, so you're not committed to anything yet. It helps us to assess the degree of interest and consequently see how best to do it all as economically as possible. It's the batch production of PCBs which I understand need looking at the most. Already, ordering 12 is better than ordering 2, but cmdrfire is the man on this aspect.
I'm now wondering if folks on other forums may be interested. It wouldn't be practical to get involved in America though.
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
10 - apollo13
11- JamboV6
12- Big Al
13-GTIain
I'm definatly interested but as big al says its dependent on price. Also what kind of time scale are we looking at?
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13-GTIain
I'm definatly interested but as big al says its dependent on price. Also what kind of time scale are we looking at?
....As I said when I started the list: Adding your name to the list does not commit you to a price which none of us know yet - It's to gauge a PCB quantity to order and therefore get the most favourable rate.
If you read through this read, especially cmdrfire's Reply #29, you'll see that we don't yet know how long either but we are doing all we can and it is most likely going to take a long time:
cmdrfire:
Please bear in mind that it may be a little while before we get these - We've got to look at what sort of data we have to work with, I've got to design and lay out the PCBs, then we will get some one- or two-off prototypes made and assembled (which will probably be fairly expensive, maybe £50/side as a rough guess as there'll be machining work to be done etc). After that they need to be tested off the car, then on the car, and make sure all the functionality works as intended. After that we can got to a batch PCB house in China and get a whole bunch made for everyone, that will be a much more reasonable cost but the downside is that the batch processing will take some time (IIRC used to be 14-30 days, but may be less now).
After they come back, they'll have to be assembled, and tested, and then (being an auto engineer) I think I'd insist on a conformal coat to protect them, btu that shouldn't take too long.
The end goal will be for some inner tail LEDs that will be reasonably priced, built to near-automotive standard, and capable of a variety of functionality - "normal" operation (on with sidelights/dipped lights), brake functionality (if desired), and fog-lamp functionality (if desired) with the two inner filament lamps being used for reversing lights. No point messing about with half-assed fixes and electronics that will break over time.
We will keep this thread updated on progress. I hope this helps.
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I'm definatly interested but as big al says its dependent on price. Also what kind of time scale are we looking at?
As long as it takes me and Chris to do 'em right :happy2: as I say, no half-assed solutions here that will break down over a short period of time. Automotive or as close to automotive-spec as I can manage is the end goal. I'm gonna be putting these on my car as well and I don't want no rubbish on there.
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Is the plan just to get the pcb's and send them out or you guys do the mod, as i just want the pcb and will do the work myself, if thats ok with you guys
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Is the plan just to get the pcb's and send them out or you guys do the mod, as i just want the pcb and will do the work myself, if thats ok with you guys
....I'm sure that if that's what you prefer it's no problem. None of us are trying to make a profit out of anyone here.
In a lot of cases we were expecting to be asked to do the mod, but that's not important. Chris will be putting mine together for me as I'm just a female linesman and don't know the offside rule :evilgrin:
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
10 - apollo13
11- JamboV6
12- Big Al
13-GTIain
14- Edd666999
i see this as a forum duty to bring the price down! make no mistake i will get ZERO enjoyment out of these lights! :evilgrin:
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Is the plan just to get the pcb's and send them out or you guys do the mod, as i just want the pcb and will do the work myself, if thats ok with you guys
....I'm sure that if that's what you prefer it's no problem. None of us are trying to make a profit out of anyone here.
In a lot of cases we were expecting to be asked to do the mod, but that's not important. Chris will be putting mine together for me as I'm just a female linesman and don't know the offside rule :evilgrin:
pmsl
No its just i like to do everything myself bit of an OCD really, that and i dont have the lights yet :-)
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Is the plan just to get the pcb's and send them out or you guys do the mod, as i just want the pcb and will do the work myself, if thats ok with you guys
What stage of doing the work yourself? Do you mean the soldering/testing/conformal/coat or just the final assembly into the lamp? Doing the final assembly into the lamp won't be an issue, but for quality purposes the PCB assembly and finishing will probably be need to be controlled (my thinking, anyway - I've got no issue in principle with sending out kits with PCBs and surface-mount parts, but then there will be no way to apply the conformal coat).
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I'm definatly interested but as big al says its dependent on price. Also what kind of time scale are we looking at?
As long as it takes me and Chris to do 'em right :happy2: as I say, no half-assed solutions here that will break down over a short period of time. Automotive or as close to automotive-spec as I can manage is the end goal. I'm gonna be putting these on my car as well and I don't want no rubbish on there.
Thats good :happy2: I wasn't being funny, it's just I havnt actually bought a set yet. Will be in the next few weeks though.
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@ Gtiian:
I notice that your sig states: "To come: r32 rear lights" - You do realise that these Valeo LED rear lights are quite different don't you? Sorry if that's a stupid question.
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@ Gtiian:
I notice that your sig states: "To come: r32 rear lights" - You do realise that these Valeo LED rear lights are quite different don't you? Sorry if that's a stupid question.
Yes thanks, I havnt updated my sig for a while and was going to get the r32 ones until I realised I could get these. :happy2:
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Apologies for going a smidge off track and please forgive my ignorance, are these Valeo units a darker shade of red a la OEM R32 units as opposed to the brighter red of a standard set of GTi rear lamps? I was thinking of going for R32 units but I might go for Valeo ones instead if they are a darker hue. They're described as Candy Red on the Kunzmann website and they look darker in the photo but I don't want to find out the hard way! Thanks.
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Yes they are exactly the same red as the R32 rears! :happy2:
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Yes they are exactly the same red as the R32 rears! :happy2:
Cool. Thanks Mark!
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Is the plan just to get the pcb's and send them out or you guys do the mod, as i just want the pcb and will do the work myself, if thats ok with you guys
What stage of doing the work yourself? Do you mean the soldering/testing/conformal/coat or just the final assembly into the lamp? Doing the final assembly into the lamp won't be an issue, but for quality purposes the PCB assembly and finishing will probably be need to be controlled (my thinking, anyway - I've got no issue in principle with sending out kits with PCBs and surface-mount parts, but then there will be no way to apply the conformal coat).
I did just mean the final fitting into the lamps but if it does make it any easier my mates brother does pcb stuff for a sideline job so i could probably get mine assembled by him, but im guessing that would just start making things more complicated.
Dont want to rock any boats, it was more to do with not knowing when ill be getting the lights and wanted the pcbs regardless so i could do mine when i finally get the lights
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
10 - apollo13
11- JamboV6
12 - heavyd
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
10 - apollo13
11- JamboV6
12 - heavyd
....I think you meant:
1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
10 - apollo13
11- JamboV6
12- Big Al
13- GTIain
14- Edd666999
15- heavyd
Welcome aboard! :happy2:
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sorry red robin, my bad :laugh:
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sorry red robin, my bad :laugh:
im not that forgettable am i! :grin:
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1 - RedRobin
2 - cmdrfire
3 - Weston
4 - DanishmkVgti
5 - GTsport
6 - richardgti
7 - Bodger
8 - PND
9 - markymark
10 - apollo13
11- JamboV6
12- Big Al
13- GTIain
14- Edd666999
15- heavyd
16- Gti Mad
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Welcome aboard, Dwaine!
We are sloooowly making some progress and either cmdrfire or myself will report when something more tangible is done.
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I will just add this.
The other day I had to replace my third brake light, and used the golfgti.co.uk destructive removal method rather than replacing my spoiler. I had a chance to inspect the PCB used for the third brake light and was not impressed!
No conformal coat, crudely soldered in pins, and the PCB itself was cardboard-based, not fibre-based! :surprised:
The PCB's I'm planning on producing will be significantly higher quality than that found in the third brake light. As I say (keep repeating myself, you guys must be getting sick of me) I intend on doing this properly and professionally. It's gonna be in my car as well and I want the highest quality for it.
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I'm with you on the quality kick, Neo :happy2:
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Give me some wires twisted together wrapped in electrical tape anyday! Haha
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Quick question: would one still need to do the lens-swap on the Valeo lights to make them RHD compatible before this mod was done or does this mod negate the lens-swap?
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Quick question: would one still need to do the lens-swap on the Valeo lights to make them RHD compatible before this mod was done or does this mod negate the lens-swap?
....Depending on if you want the same reverse+fog arrangement as stock (centre lenses). If so, you'd have to swop only the inner lenses (simple to do) because of the Valeo's being supplied ex factory for European lefthand drive.
However, I'm hoping to twin my reversing lenses and give the new LEDs the rear fog function via increased intensity to MOT standard.
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Or....
You can have twin clear lenses and use a red bulb behind the one on the right for your fog light.
The red aspect of the fog light is just a red piece of plasic infront of a clear lense, once removed it looks the same as the reverse light side.
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The red aspect of the fog light is just a red piece of plasic infront of a clear lense, once removed it looks the same as the reverse light side.
....Goodee! That's confirmed what I thought - You can have both centre lenses clear, both with 'white' lights and hence twin reversing lights.
The rear fogs can then be red LEDs at the appropriate MOT intensity.
Thanks, Lee :drinking:
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Yes thats right Robin.
IMO after connecting the inners up to perform fog functions I would stick with the normal fog light, albeit a red bulb behind a clear lense.
The trouble is where the inners were not designed to have LEDs in them there is no extra reflectors like in the outers which makes them quite hard to see in daylight.
During the day you can only see a ring of red dots not a full circle like the outers. The extra reflectors in the outers give out more light as they bounce it around.
I have tried increasing the intensity with VCDS but its not that thats the problem its just the lack of reflection.
At night its a different story as the back of the car looks like christmas tree :grin:
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Yes thats right Robin.
IMO after connecting the inners up to perform fog functions I would stick with the normal fog light, albeit a red bulb behind a clear lense.
The trouble is where the inners were not designed to have LEDs in them there is no extra reflectors like in the outers which makes them quite hard to see in daylight.
During the day you can only see a ring of red dots not a full circle like the outers. The extra reflectors in the outers give out more light as they bounce it around.
I have tried increasing the intensity with VCDS but its not that thats the problem its just the lack of reflection.
....Just so I understand this correctly (my fault, not yours):
- Where you say inners you're referring to the Valeo units mounted on the boot lid.
- Where you say outers you're referring to the Valeo units mounted on the bodywork.
So consequently it's not possible to achieve enough red LED intensity for the inner's rings to legally function as rear fogs.
So I couldn't achieve both twin rear fogs and twin reversers?
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Yes Robin, your understanding of my description of inners and outers is correct :happy2:
Im not saying they won't/can't meet the required output and did'nt have my car M.O.T'd with them in that configuration but to my untrained eye they did'nt look brighter (or as bright) as the brake lights in the outers in the daylight.
I don't think its because of the LED's themselves its just the lack of reflection in the inners.
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@ Lee aka apollo13:
I'll have a word with Chris about the rear fog possibilities - I know he's already consulted his friendly MOT contact. Btw, he told me today that he had the info ready for Neo and just needs to email it.
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Looking forward to getting it :happy2:
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Yes thats right Robin.
IMO after connecting the inners up to perform fog functions I would stick with the normal fog light, albeit a red bulb behind a clear lense.
The trouble is where the inners were not designed to have LEDs in them there is no extra reflectors like in the outers which makes them quite hard to see in daylight.
During the day you can only see a ring of red dots not a full circle like the outers. The extra reflectors in the outers give out more light as they bounce it around.
I have tried increasing the intensity with VCDS but its not that thats the problem its just the lack of reflection.
At night its a different story as the back of the car looks like christmas tree :grin:
What about adding something in the inners to reflect the light around better, is there any space inside to add a piece of reflector lense over the silver reflector to match the outers
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Its the depth of the inners, they are much shallower than the outers.
In the outers the LED rings are deep in the body of the light itself surrounded by a mirror like reflector.
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What about adding something in the inners to reflect the light around better, is there any space inside to add a piece of reflector lense over the silver reflector to match the outers
....I fear that even if there was room it would look somewhat homemade and what's taking a long time to sort out would take even longer!
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IMO after connecting the inners up to perform fog functions I would stick with the normal fog light, albeit a red bulb behind a clear lense.
The trouble is where the inners were not designed to have LEDs in them there is no extra reflectors like in the outers which makes them quite hard to see in daylight.
During the day you can only see a ring of red dots not a full circle like the outers. The extra reflectors in the outers give out more light as they bounce it around.
I have tried increasing the intensity with VCDS but its not that thats the problem its just the lack of reflection.
At night its a different story as the back of the car looks like christmas tree :grin:
....Perhaps the important question is how these twinned LED rear fogs on the inner units would look in fog.
I've spoken to Chris and passed on your thoughts on this but he nonetheless currently feels very confident that what he's doing will satisfy MOT foglight requirements and without any need for VCDS. We'll see. He will contact you if/when he feels you can help, Lee.
Meanwhile I can report that Chris and cmdrfire (Neo) are communicating with each other to progress the mod. I'm sorry this is taking time but those involved all have busy jobs to fit this around. I'm continuing to play my role of keeping everyone focussed and rolling.
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Its the depth of the inners, they are much shallower than the outers.
In the outers the LED rings are deep in the body of the light itself surrounded by a mirror like reflector.
Which leds will be used? as clip on lens diffusers can be bought for most smd leds
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Subscribed :popcornsoda:
scott :happy2:
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Just to let interested folks know that cmdrfire is beavering away at this between flights to the moon. It takes time to do all this properly and he/we will report in due course :happy2:
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Guys i don't know if this has already been discussed on here but i got this info from an american site and wondered if its been done?
Wiring
The European wiring harness has 4 wires (Turn, Brake, Parking, Return/Common) running from the central electronics control module (J519) to each of the taillights. The US wiring harness only has 3 wires (Turn, Brake, Return/Common). To get the LED's to function properly, you need to provide a signal to the 4th pin. I know of two ways to do this. One results in a "bulb out" message on the MFD and the other (adding a 4th wire) does not. I'll cover both below:
The pin configurations at the taillights are:
Stock Left (Driver's side)
1. Not used
2. Black/white (turn signal)
3. Black/red (brake light)
4. Brown (common/return)
Stock Right (Passenger side)
1. Brown (common/return)
2. Black/purple (brake light)
3. Black/green (turn signal)
4. Not used
The wires need to be moved in the connector using the method described in the Jetta LED DIY instructions (Thanks to those who wrote the Jetta DIY  )
LED Left (Driver's side)
1. Black/white (turn signal)
2. Black/red (brake light)
3. New Wire (Parking light)
4. Brown (common/return)
LED Right (Passenger side)
1. Brown (common/return)
2. New Wire (Parking light)
3. Black/purple (brake light)
4. Black/green (turn signal)
The new wire should be VW part 000 979 141 (I have been told that wire 000 979 151 works better, but I have not verified this). This VW wire has a connector on each end. This allows you to cut the wire in half to have a pigtail for each side.
The two new wires need a signal to activate the parking lights. The first choice is to splice wires 2 and 3 together as shown in the R32 taillight DIY. The lights will work just fine if you do this (after VAG-Com changes), but you will have an error message in the MFD that you won't be able to clear.
The second method is to run two new wires, one to each side, from the central electronics controller (J519) to the taillights. To do this, you need access to the central electronics controller. I found the Jetta rear foglight DIY to have better instructions than my Bentley manual. To connect the wires to the central electronics controller, you will need VW part 000 979 025. This wire works just like the one for the taillights. Cut this wire in half and install the wire for the left (Driver's) side to connector C, terminal 10. Install the wire for the right (passenger's) side to connector B, terminal 9. You must then run wires from these pigtails to the pigtails in the back. One suggestion for routing the wires is to read the GTI sub DIY for routing ideas. I used the instructions in my Bentley manual for removing the trim, as I thought they were a little better.
VAG-Com Instructions
Once you have connected wires to all four pins and reinstalled the connectors into the taillight housing you are ready to recode your central electronics module. This coding appears all over the Jetta LED threads, so I don't know who to credit for this information. Using a VAG-Com, you need to make the following changes to the Central Electronics Module (09).
Change Bytes 9 through 13 from 14 00 00 00 14 to 0A 00 00 0F 00
Change Byte 18 by unchecking the cold diagnostic bits 1, 3 and 5
Change Byte 19 by unchecking the cold diagnostics bits 2 and 3
cheers
scott :happy2:
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Scott,
That doesnt apply to our cars as we already have 4 wires. All the Americans needed to do this because they only have 3 wires, they dont have the indicator wire.
The LED rears only came in Euro spec so to get the indicator function working they had to do what you have described.
The LED tails in UK cars are plug and play. (Apart from the fog/reverse swap)
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Scott,
That doesnt apply to our cars as we already have 4 wires. All the Americans needed to do this because they only have 3 wires, they dont have the indicator wire.
The LED rears only came in UK/Euro spec so to get the indicator function working they had to do what you have described.
The LED tails in UK cars are plug and play.
No probs lee i just didn't read it properly :stupid:
scott :happy2:
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No problem mate :happy2:
As said in my PM unless/until they are modded you can only really turn off the tailight function of the centre part of the main tailight giving you a 'ring'.
Before coding
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fm520%2Fapoll013%2FDSC01273.jpg&hash=f9be2b33777460aa5ae44b03619ec8d13624db2e)
After coding
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fm520%2Fapoll013%2FDSC01277.jpg&hash=5ea3bc7e2add17797f9ef113eccaabc4f2569510)
Obviously those pictures are with the inners modded but you get the idea.
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Looks 8)
im still in the process of trying to get the missus to say ok :signLOL:
if i do i will be buying from here
http://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/tuning-styling-vw-golf-5-v-led-rear-lights-set-candy-red-for-vw-golf-5-v.htm
scott
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............... :love:
She'll come around!
That's were most people have got them from mate :happy2:
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OK, very quick update, I'm in communication with Rob's man Chris, getting some info on him on the voltage levels, but he's sent me some diagrams which will be useful for the layout side. I think in a short while I'll be able to start laying out the schematics and PCBs, so some movement now :happy2:
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Cool, my phone is due for upgrade on 16th april, day before my 30th so will be selling my old iphone to mazuuma and using the money to buy myself some lights as a present to myself. would be cool to get them modded before fitting rather than having to swap out the inners at a later date, any idea on timescale till the inner leds will be ready?
cheers
James
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Nope. It'll be done when it's done, sorry...
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Hey guys....
Recently bought another set of these lights a) because i mucked up the fog/reverse swap and binned the inner parts and b) the driver side outer unit lost a set of 4 leds on the side lights....anyway decided to give it a go removing the red outer part from the black body to allow you to get the inner reflective circle out, to cut a long story short i put a very small crack in the plastic on the left hand one ( hope this does not effect the MOT ).
I have decided to tell you all this as i believe this is a really great mod but is so easy to write off 280 quids worth of lights well the inner sections anyway, i did for a while have new outers old inners and liked it, but the whole set looks best. As you all know you cannot buy these bits separately like you can annoyingly on every other VW with them....so please bear in mind there so easy to crack ( yes i was being so so care full with plastic wedges not screwdrivers) there a great set of lights on there own, just be mindful that if you break the plastic there is nothing you can do!!
Si
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Ive found a slightly cheaper supplier
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160557218556&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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Just realised I've had mine for 5 months now....
Passed MOT with no problems and no signs of water/condensation ingress and no dead LED's :pomppomp:
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Looks interesting, would be interested depending on price :happy2:
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Here is another place to buy the lights and they also do right hand drive :happy2:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290453853966&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
scott
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Damn, I wish I had found those before I got mine, I like those tinted ones :party:
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Here is another place to buy the lights and they also do right hand drive :happy2:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290453853966&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
scott
Thats the place I saw when I first got mine. They do the fog swap for you AND tint them in various different ways. They DO NOT come from the factory like that ie SMOKED/BLACK.
These guys actually tint them with tinting spray.
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ive been watching these for a few months as i really like the tinted clear sections but its a huge premium for it and the lense swap, there must be places over here that do lens tinting?
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Thought people might like a read of this, only taken me about 6months to re find it.
http://images.volksdirekt.com/PassatB6SkylineDIY.pdf
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I would be interested in this if I can get funds together for the lights before hand. What was the outcome of the inners having dual fog/reverse regarding light intensity as like RR I like the symmetrical look.
Just found this on youtube, is this roughly what the end result would be??
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just stumbled across this on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Inner-Tail-Lights-LED-Rings-WV-Passat-B6-3C2-/200606036619?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2eb50d328b
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^^^
Looks exactly like the thing I'm meant to be designing if'n I had the time :chicken: 'cept it's only lit up red which may be suitable for some people's requirements (certainly what I had in mind originally).
To those waiting for something to come out of me, it's going to be a little while still :ashamed: :sad1:
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How easy would them eBay lights be to 1 install, and 2 wire up? Only want the inners to come on as sidelights and that's it really, dual reverse light can come later. Can the fit in my standard lights 9don't have other LED's?)
How far on with this are you chaps?
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How easy would them eBay lights be to 1 install, and 2 wire up? Only want the inners to come on as sidelights and that's it really, dual reverse light can come later. Can the fit in my standard lights 9don't have other LED's?)
How far on with this are you chaps?
Simon the Passat 'inners' are a different size to the Golf's therefore you couldn't use those rings :happy2:
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You coming to the JnH meet on 2nd June, Neo?
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You coming to the JnH meet on 2nd June, Neo?
Uncertain yet Rob... will advise.
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You coming to the JnH meet on 2nd June, Neo?
Uncertain yet Rob... will advise.
....No problem - Always good to see you. And I can chase you re the Valeo's :evilgrin:
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Is this still something that's getting worked on?
If so, I'd be interested. :wink:
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Is this still something that's getting worked on?
If so, I'd be interested. :wink:
....We're still waiting for cmdrfire to have time to take it forward.
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Glad to hear I haven't missed the boat......... :smiley:
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Glad to hear I haven't missed the boat......... :smiley:
....But I think that captain cmdfire needs to get that boat ready to sail :grin:
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Is this still something that's getting worked on?
If so, I'd be interested. :wink:
I'm still looking at doing this but haven't had time to do anything meaningful. T'will be done when it's done, which was always the original premise.
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Any updates on this?
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Nope. Haven't had an opportunity to get much further, just too busy with work.
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Nope. Haven't had an opportunity to get much further, just too busy with work.
....Sorry but I have to ask whether you will ever be less busy at work?
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....Sorry but I have to ask whether you will ever be less busy at work?
...well I have to hope...
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....Sorry but I have to ask whether you will ever be less busy at work?
...well I have to hope...
I have faith in you. I know the feeling of time slipping through ones fingers. I'm still in when you get the time :drinking:
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I'd be up for a pair if these are still in production
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I'd be up for a pair if these are still in production
You can still get the lights, they come up from time to time in the for sale section and german ebay or you can get them from here
http://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/tuning-styling-vw-golf-5-v-led-rear-lights-set-candy-red-for-vw-golf-5-v.htm
Then you have to do the mod with the fog light and reverse light as its the wrong way round (theres a thread somewhere for that) then when the parts get made on here send them to be modified
hope this helps :happy2:
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Any info on this? Would be interested!
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Morning Gents,
Just enquired with someone who has loads of experience with fitting and modifying automotive lighting to accept LED’s.
I forwarded the links to some of the threads on here to give him an idea of what we were looking for and also to give him an idea of what work is involved.
He is away for a few days but will look into what time is going to be involved and how much he is likely to charge for the work to be done.
So, depending on the price, who would be interested in getting their inner light clusters modified to give the skyline effect??? :jumping:
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Anymore info on the price?
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Hi,
I've contacted him within the last few days but not heard anything back from him yet....... :party:
Hopefully get word back soon.
As soon as I get more details I'll post it here.
Thanks.
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Just got a message back from him 5 mins ago, he had been on holiday and was just home this evening.
He will have a look at what's involved and get back to me within the next day or so with a price.
Cheers,
Des.
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Any news? :party:
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I would be interested in this too.
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Just got some word back and awaiting confirmation as to whether the price is for red inners (side lights) or stop and tail or, stop / tail and indicators??
I remember reading some of the earlier posts asking for all of the above, what's everyones preference if it is an option?? :jumping:
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I'd just want the red tail ring for the inners, not bothered about all the extra stuff
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Id like just the red inner as well :happy2:
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any news lads???
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I'm very interested in this!
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sent mine to australia for inner mod the cost $170 plus postage £16 each way all in all its cost about £150 this is the man who as done them posted on youtube
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OUCH!
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200 with postage a man in romania
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200 with postage a man in romania
....Didn't some folks post about having a lot of trouble with a man in Romania doing this mod? Same man?
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yes thats why mine gone to other man in australia all great feedback the ones on youtube all is work :happy2:
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u got a link 2 a video dude ??
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if you go onto golfmkv forum look on led tail mod all the threads are there
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cheers dude :happy2:
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Im interested in this mod.
Is it me, or the video, but they look rather flickery..?
cheers
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Thats all to do with frame rate of cameras and the fact that led's do actually strobe at a very high rate. Bit like when you pc screens on tv and the screen appears to be flashing.
G-ladder, any word from your led guy?
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Any news on this?
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link to the thread being talked about above:
http://golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149933&highlight=LED+Tail+lights
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www.angelico.ca/files/Passat_B6_Skyline_lights_DIY.pdf
Is this ever going to happen?
If cmdrfire is too snowed under and G-lader cant help, is it not worth asking Iulian if he would be interested in sending a shed load of the rings over for a group buy, I know he says he wont sell just the rings anymore but if a load of us all want them he might change his mind for a big order. He's still doing them as you can send them to him for him to mod.
http://www.jlstuning.com/tail-lights-modifications-?product_id=69
what are the thoughts
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id be up for this Jambo :happy2:
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I'd be interested as well :happy2:
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Well i dont want to step on any toes, but im more than happy to try and arrange this.
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I'm in also :happy2:
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Ok spoke to 2 guys today, Iulian and another chap from youtube. Both have said they are unable to supply the rings. The guy from youtube only deals with passats so doesnt have anything for golfs.
This is Iulians reply.
Hi ,
I really would not mind selling the led rings but unfortunately for these lights it is not possible. It would be much easier for me too . The modification method i've developed requires me to do it manually due to the interior construction of these lights.
I will have the led rings available for other cars with similar type of lights but for Golf i will have to do it myself . I found no other solution yet.
If you know anyone that has one damaged valeo inner tail light ( broken glass or any other damage except the central cylinder ) maybe i can find a solution . For me buying and entire 4pcs set just to experiment on one of the inner lights does not make sense especially if i am not sure if it will come out with any result.
Regards,
Iulian
Im gonna email him back for some more info. will keep you posted
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I can lend a damaged Valeo inner light unit. Am going to pick it up today.
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I can lend a damaged Valeo inner light unit. Am going to pick it up today.
Would be good as a test unit!
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Here are some pics of my 'broken' Valeo unit - It's just the red lens which cracked while being removed.
My mate Chris has drilled the ring ready to receive LED bulbs. He says power must be delivered at 12 volts and then individual LED resistors can be used (5v?).
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FValeo1338.jpg&hash=8f1ff4cbf208facd5f81d11922fc370ef9828892)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FValeo_1339.jpg&hash=dbb7202d4bdf6c21807fa9a9b193c1fbeee04a60)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FValeo_1341.jpg&hash=c12579e5955b112acfa0968b238e65964b602951)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FValeo_1342.jpg&hash=37af6fed72bd42c034d3dfe0b39ae003dee8420c)
^ Is this any use so that Iulian can work his magic?
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www.angelico.ca/files/Passat_B6_Skyline_lights_DIY.pdf
Is this ever going to happen?
If cmdrfire is too snowed under and G-lader cant help.
I'm really a bit p1ssed off about this.
I had contacted Was from the TT forum, he has a great reputation for building all things LED.
I forwarded links to both threads on here and also for a YouTube link.
He seemed interested at first and didn't foresee any trouble but he was away on business and then when back he had a holiday booked so he would get back to me in a few weeks.
A month or so passed and no reply so I sent him a short message, he got back to me and said he would get back to me with a price in a few days.
A few days passed and he replied with £70 including returned delivery.
I thought great! Right, the next question was how do you want me to organise this??
What are the payment details and where and when does he want them sent to??
No reply, I left if for a few weeks and sent another message as I assumed he had forgotten to reply.... still no reply.... :sad1:
I contacted him again to ask if he was still interested in doing the work as I had received quite a few PM's and would like to be able to give everyone who showed interest an idea of the details etc......
Still no reply.......
I've dealt with him over the years quite a few times and always found him good to deal with so was really surprised at the way he was going about things.... no one was holding a gun to his head, a short reply to say he was too busy or had a change of heart or whatever would have been enough.....
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Sorry guys, I did try and at £70 I thought we had knocked it off..........
If someone could do this at a reasonable price I’d be interested.
Cheers,
Des.
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Ok so I may be completely unaware of a crucial part to this... but is't there a guide for doing this and really its just a case of doing some soldering (generally speaking) and taking tim to do it?
I reckon I could do it... I woud just need someone to sort the coding for it.
I think RebRobin is local to me?
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Unfortunately I don't think it's just a matter of soldering. It also has to pass MOT.
I'm pretty sure I don't live near you, Nick - I'm on coastal West Dorset/East Devon.
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Of course I am aware it's not just a case of soldering, but fundamentally it is a case of mounting some smd's and some resistors, then creating a loom and tapping into the existing loom?
Don't see what can be so hard. Will be giving it a go when mine are delivered next week.
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Of course I am aware it's not just a case of soldering, but fundamentally it is a case of mounting some smd's and some resistors, then creating a loom and tapping into the existing loom?
Don't see what can be so hard. Will be giving it a go when mine are delivered next week.
N!ck R, are you not getting your with your GB or is the order being placed next week regardless off numbers?
RR, you've got pm
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I bought some Valeo's from someone off here last week. I will still go ahead with the group buy however if enough people get involved.
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The group buy is well under way now and hopefully with a whole host of new people getting these lights it will spur on some enthusiasm to find an efficient way to carry out the mod :happy2:
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Ooops! I keep forgetting to post the 'guinea pig' unit to Jussa JamboV6! :ashamed:
Now added to my phone's To Do list!
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Ooops! I keep forgetting to post the 'guinea pig' unit to Jussa! :ashamed:
Now added to my phone's To Do list!
Who's Jussa? :happy2:
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Ooops! I keep forgetting to post the 'guinea pig' unit to Jussa! :ashamed:
Now added to my phone's To Do list!
Who's Jussa? :happy2:
....Ooops! Again! I meant Jambo! :ashamed: :ashamed:
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RR, did you ever get anywhere with the broken inner tail light?
I'm ready to have a shot at doing my own ones, but interested how you got on with the test one? If not, do you fancy donating it so I can do a practise run and a guide for other people.
What SMD's are best to use to ensure the same colour match? and how often should a resistor be placed in the circuit?
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I posted what I had to JamboV6 quite a few weeks ago! :confused:
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Sooo then Jambo... what have you done with the inner light unit lol?
I'm gonna probably give this a crack over the bank holiday weekend, just need to know what LEDs to get so the colour matches. I'm sure I saw a guide somewhere anyway a long time ago, showing where to put the resistors in etc..
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Been in contact with Craig (Buckets) and after finding out how much it would cost for me to send to him and carry out the mod I asked him if he could just give me a few pointers or a rough guide as to how I can carry it out myself....
To which he replied: I'd love to Nick but, no!
So much for community spirit in a forum haha. I'll have to try and work it out for myself then!
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Been reading through this as I want to do my Jetta. Seems a lot simpler on the Jetta than the GTi. Found a chap in Belgium who does Passat's and Jetta's and I mentioned the GTi's too. Unfortunately his mother has taken seriously ill so he hasn't the time to look into it at the moment and for the forseeable future. As soon as things hopefully get better for her, and then him, he will be in touch. I will keep you all posted as to how it works out.
BTW, he uses the OEM bi-colour LED's on dedicated PCB's that look seriously OEM.
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Where do you get the OEM LED's from then do you know?
That's all I want to know really, I reckon I can work out the rest.
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No idea Nick. I would ask the question, but out of respect for his situation, I figure best to wait for him to contact me when it's got better. If I do find out, I'll be sure to let you know.
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Ah ok mate no worries. I will do this very soon! Determined.
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Jambo did you ever sort anything with the inner light RR gave to you?
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Nick I have not heard back from the other guy as yet, but have a look at this link. The guy mentions which LED's he uses.
http://www.angelico.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/03//Passat_B6_Skyline_lights_DIY.pdf (http://www.angelico.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/03//Passat_B6_Skyline_lights_DIY.pdf)
Hopefully this is of some use to you?
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Thanks, I've just got to source the Valeo LEDs from somewhere now.
Not too sure what to do about a flexible PCB as space is very tight. Might just make a circuit with the SMD's and mount to some rigid plastic sheet.
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So Kunzmann still the best place to buy these lights? Thanks.
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These lights look very nice :) :drool:
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I noticed the edition35 has its inners lit up when following one. Maybe the loom can be used to help with this?
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I noticed the edition35 has its inners lit up when following one. Maybe the loom can be used to help with this?
....But the Ed35 is a Mk6 and has different light units and probably a different loom.
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Nick, just to let you know, that chap got back in touch with me. I have my rings coming next week hopefully. I asked him about rings for the GTi, but he hasn't come back to me on that yet. He uses OEM Osram LED's, not sure of the spec, but will ask him about it again.
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Glad this thread has popped up again as i wanted to give some advice, obviously a lot of you guys want to do this yourself, i hate to say this as i also never like other people doing things on my car, but i would highly recommend not doing this your self, once there heated up slightly to make it more malleable you can still very easy still crack the lights , do you want to buy another set?? send them to OZ and get the bloke over there to do it.
more to the point i wanted to also give some feed back on the Romanian site JLS Tuning and its owner Iulian Dinu, if you ever decide to use him be warned as my lights took 2 months 1 week from send to receive, i had multiple lies and excuses given as to why there not on there way back and were never given a tracking number back? but to his credit his work is very good although the top point of the passenger side has a little crack in it
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did you guys ever get this off the ground. something i have been researching on several forums which led me to this page.
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PM my brother TRS888 he's doing this mod now :happy2:
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Who does this mod now? And how much does it cost?
Are there more then 1 way to do this mod? I've seen different mods at youtube but all i want is the inner ring to work as parking light, don't need to use it as a brake light...
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^^ valeo lights or normal lights? If its valeo, then TRS888 is able to do the mod. I think he said £150 in his for sale thread
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It's the Valeo ones i just bought... I have PM:ed TRS888 but not got an answer yet...
Coulden't find his "for sale" thread...
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,78587.0.html
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This are mines :happy2:
Full Quad Ring / Skyline tail lights mod: city lights + blinkers.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi67.tinypic.com%2F28klb93.jpg&hash=bd7e752ecc6cb7aecb51de3236f87e6273ea77df)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2Fkd3cza.jpg&hash=88d0a11335689e7166957361141f88aad2837ec4)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi65.tinypic.com%2F2lo0ntj.jpg&hash=5b40e209d3cd45214e8a2d0371375937ec7636ab)
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@supercati (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=12005) where did you get yours done? i would love mine to be the same!
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@supercati (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=12005) where did you get yours done? i would love mine to be the same!
@Luntz90 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14482) I just did it myself :)
There's no people who manufacture the inner leds for the mk5 with red+amber (there are some who do it for the Passat and Jetta, but the size is different).
I'm really happy with my result, is exactly the same leds used in the outters, and you can see the result, just awesome :drool:.
I'm gonna a try to send you a PM as soon as I have some time.