MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Saintsteve on April 12, 2013, 03:20:54 pm
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Wow what can I say!!
Absolutely blown away with Niki's TIV mapping, and the difference the car is now over what it was..
Bluefin was very aggressive as it turned out, surprisingly so :surprised: the turbo was requesting up to in places nearly 1.7 bar, and with the stock fuel pump, fuel pressures were also finding it hard to keep up, and causing a few issues behind the scenes and not feeling as if there was a fault that could be felt from the driver.
The main trait of the Bluefin stage 2 Remap was the Massive Torque spike apon launch, which is very hard to control,so at anytime you wanted a quick getaway,had to be driven gently to get the power down, ok once underway but not ideal.
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I spent the whole day with Nik on the rolling road, watching and learning how mapping is done, and all I can say is he is an absolute gentleman, really knows his oats and you get very quickly the impression that nothing is a problem, and that each fault or issue can be solved if you have the right tools quickly to properly diagnose and setup a car for its own " Customised remap.A very switched on person and not just someone that's good on the tools in the trade.
I was very nervous shall we say about dyno"ing my car on the rollers, after nearly 2 years of avoiding them after being told by another well respected garage, that I may have DSG clutch pack issues and that really put me out of wanting to do this again,with this very same remap.
Nik and Ben were very quick to put my mind at ease, that she was in safe hands, and even before thinking about putting his map on and moving on to the next customer sort of attitude you get from going to a main stream tuner, was NOT gonna happen, and that nothing was gonna go ahead till some basic what I would call baseline checks were done over the car before we got started, VCDS was loaded up to check for errors, and the car was lofted up of the ground to carry out a visual inspection under the car before anything else....
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once everyone was satisfied and errors were noted of excisting issues that were on the car before starting, she was then lowered down and strapped up ready for testing firstly with its stage 2 bluefin map, then with the map off back at standard power, then finally on with Niks own TIV map along with a coupled DSG custom map to suit .
The car firstly ran 315bhp and 362lb ft of torque, which sounds ok, but the mahoosive torque spike was caused by the way Bluefin write their remaps :-(.. Gives you the feeling of all the power and boost, but on the road is hard to put on the road, and also puts a lot of strain on the engine and its components , that with some fettling,could be greatly reduced and still achieve Power without as much stress.
From the graph, you can see that the nasty spike just under 4000rpm is where this spike and the feeling of thrust in your drivers seat, followed by a flatish spot afterwards and then picks up slightly at top end! Which if you think about it, if you nail the throttle after this spike, the car doesn't steam off as quickly as it could, very flat and not as thrilling to drive.Not good for wanting to "pull away from the car Behind" if you follow :wink:
Here is a graph of the two Maps, one of RTech's TIV map, and bluefin's Stage 2.
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As you can see the car now is VERY linear on the map, a feeling of almost not having a turbo, but of a uniform Naturally aspirated engine with huge pull and more importantly at ANY stage of pushing on, gives identical pull from 3000rpm to 6000rpm, without any torque spike, and lag aswell. The power is instant, super smooth and by god it's fast.. The DSG remap raised the total power by another 20bhp and the stock clutch clamping pressure was reducing power distribution to the wheels.
To also say, and show that the stresses and strains have been greatly reduced, in the turbo, from squealing its nuts off to nearly 1.7 bar boost, not sits on the TIV map at just 1.3 bar boost and tails to 1.25 boost at top end. The N75 never works harder the 70% and considering I have a low pressure fuel issue currently, the TIV map once loaded and set up within safe parameters , the issue is not causing ANY effects to the car, and all fuel rail pressures are no less then 5 bar off top spec of 110bar on the rail request side of things.
The large torque spike was causing a massive 50bar drop in fuel pressure so the ecu was having to try and correct this to help but since changing the remap, and lowering the requests, this isn't causing any performance loss and now as you can see from the graph, power is still there as before, in fact with the DSG map, another 15bhp was made available and a uniform 300to 325lb ft of torque across the entire rev range which makes for a very quick car , much more quicker in every aspect.Even sounds nicer on the dyno from the exhaust note!! Much more free'er sounding and not struggling to go up the revs.
To say I'm still giggling like a school kid is an understatement , of course there will be those that still doubt Nik at Rtechs techniques , but from me, I'm now enjoying the car more then ever, even driving home, behaving, managed a better mpg aswell, my guess is obviously turbo isn't being working as hard so this may be why, but might be placebo , but who knows..Even the twin take is much more quieter and less Noisey in the cabin, which is even nicer.
Wife had a drive out today and this was her reaction..
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her first words were, oh my god!! It just wants to go and go!!!!
if anyone is thinking should I or shouldn't I... my answer is yes.. You should. :happy2:
Thankyou again Nik and Ben for doing this for me. Another Very satisfied Customer :drinking:
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Been looking forward to your write up Mr H :grin:
I've been saying this since I had my GTI mapped there last January. Top notch service, top notch result, top notch price :notworthy:
The fact that you drove from Southampton way to Leicestershire should encourage others to follow suit and not be afraid to travel to get a decent product. I bet the drive home was fun :driver:
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You sound very happy with it Steve. :happy2:
So you're running 331bhp on the standard pump still?
I need to speak to you about a few things.
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You sound very happy with it Steve. :happy2:
So you're running 331bhp on the standard pump still?
I need to speak to you about a few things.
Yes Mandy I am and wait to hear from you :happy2:
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Nice write up Steve, very interesting too. :happy2:
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Better delivery and more power from less boost :happy2: should be happy with that!
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I've been considering bluefin lately, one of the main reasons is because I'm worried about clutch slip because I'm manual, due to the fact that I know a stage 1 bluefin is subtle at 240hp and 259torques, would there be away of mapping it to more 250 and 280torques with out it destroying the clutch with a r-tech map it'll have a panel filter and precat delete?(I know its not just about the figures and I won't be going any more than stage 1)
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I've been considering bluefin lately, one of the main reasons is because I'm worried about clutch slip because I'm manual, due to the fact that I know a stage 1 bluefin is subtle at 240hp and 259torques, would there be away of mapping it to more 250 and 280torques with out it destroying the clutch with a r-tech map it'll have a panel filter and precat delete?(I know its not just about the figures and I won't be going any more than stage 1)
Bluefin stage 1 is more like 260-280b ft of torque from experience at that stage.
I would give RTech a ring and discuss a solution as being totally custom, anything is possible at near half the price of Bluefin.
Strongly recommend a linear solution because bluefin is very torque based and will eat your clutch.
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Hmm, I've found Bluefin maps quite conservative on the torque front opposed to what those have got from rTech (300lb/ft+) maps -- my Bluefin stage 1 made about 250-260lb/ft, stage 2 made 290lb/ft.
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nice write up and glad your pleased with it looks so much more progressive, those spikes were :scared:
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Great write up. Glad to see you are enjoying your car as everybody should.
Im still grinning from when i had mine on tuesday. Much easier at lower revs to pull away. I have also seem a improvement in mpg. Saw 35.1 on the way to AKS tuning when i normally see 33
Cant fault R-tech top blokes and how they help deal with a problem is top quality.
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Hmm, I've found Bluefin maps quite conservative on the torque front opposed to what those have got from rTech (300lb/ft+) maps -- my Bluefin stage 1 made about 250-260lb/ft, stage 2 made 290lb/ft.
K03 or k04 you talking?
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I'm just going by the figures on Bluefins website but thats with out the precat delete. I'd like more of a kick which pushes you back the chair which what I've read you don't get that with the linear map but if it means i can push for more power and not be so harsh on the clutch then maybe i'd go for it.
Sorry to take over your thread :grin:
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Very good review SS. :happy2: it's just like stock but +50% on the torque front! :driver:
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Hmm, I've found Bluefin maps quite conservative on the torque front opposed to what those have got from rTech (300lb/ft+) maps -- my Bluefin stage 1 made about 250-260lb/ft, stage 2 made 290lb/ft.
K03 or k04 you talking?
The guy above said 240hp, so K03.
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Hmm, I've found Bluefin maps quite conservative on the torque front opposed to what those have got from rTech (300lb/ft+) maps -- my Bluefin stage 1 made about 250-260lb/ft, stage 2 made 290lb/ft.
K03 or k04 you talking?
The guy above said 240hp, so K03.
Remember this is a custom map. Therefore if you want low torque, you can have low torque. . .
When I was there last, an Ibiza TDI was having a low torque custom map to preserve the clutch. EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE AT R-Tech :drool:
Just because Nick can map a car for loads of torque, doesn't mean he has to. The whole idea is a map tailored to your needs :happy2:
Also- it's not peak torque that kills the clutch necessarily it's the delivery of the torque!
Steve bluefin map was delivering all that torque n one big hit, low down in the rev range. If bluefin take that approach to all their maps, the peak figure is not necessarily high but the way it just "dumps" it like that will put pressure on your clutch :sick:
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This is a awesome write up, just recently owning my eddy and it having the stage 1 on it I don't trust I will be seeing nik shortly especially to get the dsg fettled with. Can't wait to see what he can do with mine, glad your happy mate and keep enjoying :happy2:
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Great write up Steve, sounds like its a new car fella! Everything i read is convincing me that an RTech will be getting my business in the future
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Power curve looks looks nice.... just how I want mine :drool: :drool:
Can you do it tomorrow Nic :laugh:
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The standard GTI map is spikey like the bluefin, alebit less of everything. My old SAAB had a much flatter curve like the rTech map above. So I guess BF, being generic in nature, is just upping everything to get the results... that said, other than the spikes in pwr/tq it's not a million miles away.
Infact in a general driving situation, no more than 3.5k RPM, the Bluefin would "feel" the quicker I'm sure; and probbaly would be as it's making quite a bit more more pwr and tq between 2.5-3.5k
I understand the reason for a smoother/flatter curve though.
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Been looking forward to your write up Mr H :grin:
I've been saying this since I had my GTI mapped there last January. Top notch service, top notch result, top notch price :notworthy:
The fact that you drove from Southampton way to Leicestershire should encourage others to follow suit and not be afraid to travel to get a decent product. I bet the drive home was fun :driver:
I stayed in a local travelodge..so anyone put off from distance traveling, for just £22 , had a double room so was there nice and early for Thursday. . Much less stressful way of doing it :-)
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Good write-up Steve. :happy2:
Just goes to show about what I've always said about Supperchips being a poor tuner.
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A great write up Steve. 8)
This would definitely be something I would be interested in sometime in the future , especially were I have a revo map and a manual box. Makes me wonder how much stress my revo map is causing.
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Great review. Really want mine doing now, but have a mk2 taking my money up at the minute. Mk2 020 quaife diff or ed30 stage 2+ remap is a nice but tough choice
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I'm getting temped now but does anyone know what torque a standard clutch on a normal GTI can handle my cars coming round to 60k now and I do some town driving so probably not the strongest its ever been, but would it be fine to replace it with a new standard clutch due to cost or is it best to get an upgraded clutch, that's if it does slip over time?
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rTech looks the best curve there, but Bluefin does have it's place... i.e. for thsoe that are in remote locations etc.
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Excellent write up! I couldn't be happier with my rtech stage 1 mine made 260 bhp with 310ftlb the map is very linear and smooth making it easier on the clutch unlike the pre packed maps many with a huge spike seen above to give you the placebo effect of big power.
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good write up! you cant beat nicks maps! been there from day one :drinking:
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I'm getting temped now but does anyone know what torque a standard clutch on a normal GTI can handle my cars coming round to 60k now and I do some town driving so probably not the strongest its ever been, but would it be fine to replace it with a new standard clutch due to cost or is it best to get an upgraded clutch, that's if it does slip over time?
I take it you have a manual box. If that's the case I would not push it past a stage1 tune, anything more then you stand a good chance of destroying your OEM clutch.
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I'm getting temped now but does anyone know what torque a standard clutch on a normal GTI can handle my cars coming round to 60k now and I do some town driving so probably not the strongest its ever been, but would it be fine to replace it with a new standard clutch due to cost or is it best to get an upgraded clutch, that's if it does slip over time?
I take it you have a manual box. If that's the case I would not push it past a stage1 tune, anything more then you stand a good chance of destroying your OEM clutch.
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Yes I have a manual and I won't be going anymore than stage 1 but I'll fitting a k&n panel filter and precat delete to get the best from the remap but my main concern is the clutch but if I had DSG I'd want as much power as they could get from it with plenty of low down kick but I don't regret having a manual at all, I'm just concerned about my clutch and cost of replacing. :happy2:
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Don't get an aggressive torque map to preserve the oem clutch, it's the sudden change in torque that breaks traction too.
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Don't get an aggressive torque map to preserve the oem clutch, it's the sudden change in torque that breaks traction too.
and it's for this reason I would change my Revo map. I think it's way to aggressive and getting the power down can be a real problem if not controlled correctly :scared:
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Does the k03 and k04 not use the same clutch?
If they did would stage 2 on a k03 not still be as safe as a k04 on stage 1?
I have had a bluefin stage 2 map for almost 10k miles on a k03 now without any clutch issues.
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Rhetorical question I'm sure.
Same clutch / brakes / exhaust / hpfp / suspension etc. etc. Just different trim/rims/injectors/turbo - the Edition 30 really should've shared more components with the S3 / TT (e.g. Brakes / IC / Wishbones etc.etc.)
I have Bluefin Stage 2 K03 and the clutch has been fine for ages (touch wood) - although sometimes I do get a hesitation at 4k-5k RPM, think this might be down to the way BF requests too much from the OEM HPFP.
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Would love to see what Nik could do with my hardware... :-(
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Good review and credit to Nick and the team,I had my GTI mapped by them 2 yrs ago and still cant fault it.
Great service by very Knowledgeable guys. :happy2:
Oh my Ko3 was pulling 242hp,transformed the car completley.
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Would love to see what Nik could do with my hardware... :-(
You need to get In contact Dom. He is adamant with your S3 intercooler will make for good gains and has recommended that i should install the same :scared:
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Wow what can I say!!
Absolutely blown away with Niki's TIV mapping, and the difference the car is now over what it was..
if anyone is thinking should I or shouldn't I... my answer is yes.. You should. :happy2:
Thankyou again Nik and Ben for doing this for me. Another Very satisfied Customer :drinking:
Good times. I must admit, if i come back to a 2.0TFSI, which i think I will at some point because its a great engine/chassis combo, id be extremely tempted to let R-TEC loose on my car.
Im thinking an R-Tec Custom job on a K03 lump with a K04 turbo upgrade, HPFP upgrade and the pre-cat delete from the OEM downpipe with nothing else, pure stealth performance.
Have you got any switchability?
I've been considering bluefin lately, one of the main reasons is because I'm worried about clutch slip because I'm manual, due to the fact that I know a stage 1 bluefin is subtle at 240hp and 259torques, would there be away of mapping it to more 250 and 280torques with out it destroying the clutch with a r-tech map it'll have a panel filter and precat delete?(I know its not just about the figures and I won't be going any more than stage 1)
This was mine running a Bluefin Stage 1, really smooth and OEM like in delivery. The peak torque figure makes it sound better than it is, but realistically, its only marginally more power torque than stock across the rev range and that initial hump for 1000rpm essentially hides the fact that the midrange is poor. I changed after a friend in a vRS did a pull against me in a REVO car and literally drove off as if i was trying to pull away in 5th or something.
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Just goes to show about what I've always said about Supperchips being a poor tuner.
Pretty sure i read on here that the guy who used to write software for superchips now works at REVO. Not sure if theres any truth in that though. But hey, never let truth get in the way of a good rumour :grin:
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^^ I think it may have been Niki that told me that :grin:
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I've had a quick blast in a friends 07 Audi TT drop top which was bluefin'd he said it was running 240hp, but low in the rev range it didn't feel much different to my standard GTI but above 5000rpm it was so much faster was really impressed i wasn't blown away but i liked the facted it was risk free and can be removed.
He's never changed his DV either so it may have a slight leak. mmmm decisions! :laugh:
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I've had a quick blast in a friends 07 Audi TT drop top which was bluefin'd he said it was running 240hp, but low in the rev range it didn't feel much different to my standard GTI but above 5000rpm it was so much faster was really impressed i wasn't blown away
Thats my experience as well. But the reality s due to the lack of midrange you dont notice the remap on the K03 in daily driving, unless your driving like a tool everywhere.
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Only just got round to reading this...
Nice write up Stevie boy :happy2: sounds like R-Tech have another very happy customer to there collection and it looks like a lovely power band to boot :smiley:
The big question now though - what will it make on JKM's rollers? :scared: :party: :signLOL:
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86bhp
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dyno being prepared as we speak
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dyno being prepared as we speak
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If Steve does give it a run on JKM's dyno it would be interesting to see another over lay of the 2 maps again, just this time on an independent dyno. BUT..... what figures will he believe are right? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Assuming of course that he loses 30-40bhp when entering their car park like everyone else usually does.. :signLOL:
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Only just got round to reading this...
Nice write up Stevie boy :happy2: sounds like R-Tech have another very happy customer to there collection and it looks like a lovely power band to boot :smiley:
The big question now though - what will it make on JKM's rollers? :scared: :party: :signLOL:
I will be putting her on their next rolling road.. From what I gather, both R-tech's and JKMs rollers read very simular....
Well I hope so :signLOL:
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Only just got round to reading this...
Nice write up Stevie boy :happy2: sounds like R-Tech have another very happy customer to there collection and it looks like a lovely power band to boot :smiley:
The big question now though - what will it make on JKM's rollers? :scared: :party: :signLOL:
I will be putting her on their next rolling road.. From what I gather, both R-tech's and JKMs rollers read very simular....
Well I hope so :signLOL:
My stage 1 GTI was about 7bhp less on JKM's but there's many things that can influence the reading. James made the same on both :happy2:
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Only just got round to reading this...
Nice write up Stevie boy :happy2: sounds like R-Tech have another very happy customer to there collection and it looks like a lovely power band to boot :smiley:
The big question now though - what will it make on JKM's rollers? :scared: :party: :signLOL:
I will be putting her on their next rolling road.. From what I gather, both R-tech's and JKMs rollers read very simular....
Well I hope so :signLOL:
Did yours make 315bhp / 362lb/ft on JKM's before then Steve? :confused: I thought it was around the 280-90bhp / 315lb/ft mark?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting R-Tech's work (quite the opposite in fact) as they seem to be pulling out all the stops of late and kudos to them for that :happy2:. I'm just interested in what rollers you will believe are a true reflection of what your car is running power wise given that for so long you have stood by JKM's figures. if you run around the 300bhp mark at JKM (which would be the same gain that R-Tech's rollers saw over your SC map), who's figures would you state if someone asked you the what your car is chucking out? Come on Steve, spill the beans... :party: :signLOL: :jumpmove:
This is all hypothetical at the moment of course and tbh I would love to see the car make 331bhp on the next JKM RR day.. :happy2:
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Only just got round to reading this...
Nice write up Stevie boy :happy2: sounds like R-Tech have another very happy customer to there collection and it looks like a lovely power band to boot :smiley:
The big question now though - what will it make on JKM's rollers? :scared: :party: :signLOL:
I will be putting her on their next rolling road.. From what I gather, both R-tech's and JKMs rollers read very simular....
Well I hope so :signLOL:
Did yours make 315bhp / 362lb/ft on JKM's before then Steve? :confused: I thought it was around the 280-90bhp / 315lb/ft mark?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting R-Tech's work (quite the opposite in fact) as they seem to be pulling out all the stops of late and kudos to them for that :happy2:. I'm just interested in what rollers you will believe are a true reflection of what your car is running power wise given that for so long you have stood by JKM's figures. if you run around the 300bhp mark at JKM (which would be the same gain that R-Tech's rollers saw over your SC map), who's figures would you state if someone asked you the what your car is chucking out? Come on Steve, spill the beans... :party: :signLOL: :jumpmove:
This is all hypothetical at the moment of course and tbh I would love to see the car make 331bhp on the next JKM RR day.. :happy2:
Last time she ran and JKM was 284bhp.. Which as I posted, that was stage 1 code.Superchips after just 2 months of me buying stage 2 in may 2009, reverted me back just 2 months later after I phoned them with a technical enquiry( unbeknown to me)
Wasn't untill march 2013 that I had a stage2 reinstalled after I quizzed about my logs with them. Long story but I'm sure 315 bhp on JKM would be there or thereabouts comparing to Rtech.
As James's car ran same power on both rollers, should say something Ben :wink:
I'm sure at JKM, the new code logging and MAF readings and logs, will be no less then mid 320's minimum.
I'm at JKM on Thursday/Friday as it happens... :innocent:
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I'm at JKM on Thursday/Friday as it happens... :innocent:
What are you doing, dyno?
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Only just got round to reading this...
Nice write up Stevie boy :happy2: sounds like R-Tech have another very happy customer to there collection and it looks like a lovely power band to boot :smiley:
The big question now though - what will it make on JKM's rollers? :scared: :party: :signLOL:
I will be putting her on their next rolling road.. From what I gather, both R-tech's and JKMs rollers read very simular....
Well I hope so :signLOL:
Did yours make 315bhp / 362lb/ft on JKM's before then Steve? :confused: I thought it was around the 280-90bhp / 315lb/ft mark?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting R-Tech's work (quite the opposite in fact) as they seem to be pulling out all the stops of late and kudos to them for that :happy2:. I'm just interested in what rollers you will believe are a true reflection of what your car is running power wise given that for so long you have stood by JKM's figures. if you run around the 300bhp mark at JKM (which would be the same gain that R-Tech's rollers saw over your SC map), who's figures would you state if someone asked you the what your car is chucking out? Come on Steve, spill the beans... :party: :signLOL: :jumpmove:
This is all hypothetical at the moment of course and tbh I would love to see the car make 331bhp on the next JKM RR day.. :happy2:
Last time she ran and JKM was 284bhp.. Which as I posted, that was stage 1 code.Superchips after just 2 months of me buying stage 2 in may 2009, reverted me back just 2 months later after I phoned them with a technical enquiry( unbeknown to me)
Wasn't untill march 2013 that I had a stage2 reinstalled after I quizzed about my logs with them. Long story but I'm sure 315 bhp on JKM would be there or thereabouts comparing to Rtech.
As James's car ran same power on both rollers, should say something Ben :wink:
I'm sure at JKM, the new code logging and MAF readings and logs, will be no less then mid 320's minimum.
I'm at JKM on Thursday/Friday as it happens... :innocent:
I really hope it does mate, believe me. It's just that there has been sooooo many people who have been let down when on their rollers over the years, especially when running higher stages of tune (Stage 2+ etc).
325-330bhp on JKM's dyno is what is normally seen by Revo Stage 2+ cars going off previous results, so if it gets anywhere near that it will be a cracking result mate :happy2:
Is she going on this week then? :party:
Didn't James' crack nearly 400bhp at R-Tech?
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Only just got round to reading this...
Nice write up Stevie boy :happy2: sounds like R-Tech have another very happy customer to there collection and it looks like a lovely power band to boot :smiley:
The big question now though - what will it make on JKM's rollers? :scared: :party: :signLOL:
I will be putting her on their next rolling road.. From what I gather, both R-tech's and JKMs rollers read very simular....
Well I hope so :signLOL:
Did yours make 315bhp / 362lb/ft on JKM's before then Steve? :confused: I thought it was around the 280-90bhp / 315lb/ft mark?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting R-Tech's work (quite the opposite in fact) as they seem to be pulling out all the stops of late and kudos to them for that :happy2:. I'm just interested in what rollers you will believe are a true reflection of what your car is running power wise given that for so long you have stood by JKM's figures. if you run around the 300bhp mark at JKM (which would be the same gain that R-Tech's rollers saw over your SC map), who's figures would you state if someone asked you the what your car is chucking out? Come on Steve, spill the beans... :party: :signLOL: :jumpmove:
This is all hypothetical at the moment of course and tbh I would love to see the car make 331bhp on the next JKM RR day.. :happy2:
Last time she ran and JKM was 284bhp.. Which as I posted, that was stage 1 code.Superchips after just 2 months of me buying stage 2 in may 2009, reverted me back just 2 months later after I phoned them with a technical enquiry( unbeknown to me)
Wasn't untill march 2013 that I had a stage2 reinstalled after I quizzed about my logs with them. Long story but I'm sure 315 bhp on JKM would be there or thereabouts comparing to Rtech.
As James's car ran same power on both rollers, should say something Ben :wink:
I'm sure at JKM, the new code logging and MAF readings and logs, will be no less then mid 320's minimum.
I'm at JKM on Thursday/Friday as it happens... :innocent:
I really hope it does mate, believe me. It's just that there has been sooooo many people who have been let down when on their rollers over the years, especially when running higher stages of tune (Stage 2+ etc).
325-330bhp on JKM's dyno is what is normally seen by Revo Stage 2+ cars going off previous results, so if it gets anywhere near that it will be a cracking result mate :happy2:
Is she going on this week then? :party:
Didn't James' crack nearly 400bhp at R-Tech?
367bhp springs to mine Ben, but he's now running a different CDL engine since last at JKM :happy2:
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I'm at JKM on Thursday/Friday as it happens... :innocent:
What are you doing, dyno?
I've posted a clue elsewhere, so get hunting :wink:
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Only just got round to reading this...
Nice write up Stevie boy :happy2: sounds like R-Tech have another very happy customer to there collection and it looks like a lovely power band to boot :smiley:
The big question now though - what will it make on JKM's rollers? :scared: :party: :signLOL:
I will be putting her on their next rolling road.. From what I gather, both R-tech's and JKMs rollers read very simular....
Well I hope so :signLOL:
Did yours make 315bhp / 362lb/ft on JKM's before then Steve? :confused: I thought it was around the 280-90bhp / 315lb/ft mark?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting R-Tech's work (quite the opposite in fact) as they seem to be pulling out all the stops of late and kudos to them for that :happy2:. I'm just interested in what rollers you will believe are a true reflection of what your car is running power wise given that for so long you have stood by JKM's figures. if you run around the 300bhp mark at JKM (which would be the same gain that R-Tech's rollers saw over your SC map), who's figures would you state if someone asked you the what your car is chucking out? Come on Steve, spill the beans... :party: :signLOL: :jumpmove:
This is all hypothetical at the moment of course and tbh I would love to see the car make 331bhp on the next JKM RR day.. :happy2:
Last time she ran and JKM was 284bhp.. Which as I posted, that was stage 1 code.Superchips after just 2 months of me buying stage 2 in may 2009, reverted me back just 2 months later after I phoned them with a technical enquiry( unbeknown to me)
Wasn't untill march 2013 that I had a stage2 reinstalled after I quizzed about my logs with them. Long story but I'm sure 315 bhp on JKM would be there or thereabouts comparing to Rtech.
As James's car ran same power on both rollers, should say something Ben :wink:
I'm sure at JKM, the new code logging and MAF readings and logs, will be no less then mid 320's minimum.
I'm at JKM on Thursday/Friday as it happens... :innocent:
I really hope it does mate, believe me. It's just that there has been sooooo many people who have been let down when on their rollers over the years, especially when running higher stages of tune (Stage 2+ etc).
325-330bhp on JKM's dyno is what is normally seen by Revo Stage 2+ cars going off previous results, so if it gets anywhere near that it will be a cracking result mate :happy2:
Is she going on this week then? :party:
Didn't James' crack nearly 400bhp at R-Tech?
It did but Nick "watered it down " for JKM as the LPFP wasnt up to the job really so would have given a poor graph :wink:
James was on the same CDL lump at JKM as he is running now. His first outing at JKM was on the BWA lump which broke a while later :laugh:
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Slightly off topic and apologies if covered elsewhere.
R-Tech maps - If battery is disconnected how do you get the map back (if indeed its wiped)
Do R-Tech have a long waiting time to get booked in?
:popcornsoda:
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Slightly off topic and apologies if covered elsewhere.
R-Tech maps - If battery is disconnected how do you get the map back (if indeed its wiped)
Do R-Tech have a long waiting time to get booked in?
:popcornsoda:
You dont lose the map if you disconnect the battery. :happy2:
You will have to fing Nick about waiting times etc
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As mentioned above - Disconnecting the battery won't wipe the map. With Revo maps however, it does revert the settings back to default B0 T0 F0 and feels like it has lost the software. A quick pluggin in off the SPS switch soon sorts that though..
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Thanks guys,
What if for instance you needed to put it back to standard settings, would you need to go back to Nick to turn on/off ect?
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Yes you would have to go back to Nick or a VW Dealer to flash back to stock
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Only just got round to reading this...
Nice write up Stevie boy :happy2: sounds like R-Tech have another very happy customer to there collection and it looks like a lovely power band to boot :smiley:
The big question now though - what will it make on JKM's rollers? :scared: :party: :signLOL:
I will be putting her on their next rolling road.. From what I gather, both R-tech's and JKMs rollers read very simular....
Well I hope so :signLOL:
Did yours make 315bhp / 362lb/ft on JKM's before then Steve? :confused: I thought it was around the 280-90bhp / 315lb/ft mark?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting R-Tech's work (quite the opposite in fact) as they seem to be pulling out all the stops of late and kudos to them for that :happy2:. I'm just interested in what rollers you will believe are a true reflection of what your car is running power wise given that for so long you have stood by JKM's figures. if you run around the 300bhp mark at JKM (which would be the same gain that R-Tech's rollers saw over your SC map), who's figures would you state if someone asked you the what your car is chucking out? Come on Steve, spill the beans... :party: :signLOL: :jumpmove:
This is all hypothetical at the moment of course and tbh I would love to see the car make 331bhp on the next JKM RR day.. :happy2:
Last time she ran and JKM was 284bhp.. Which as I posted, that was stage 1 code.Superchips after just 2 months of me buying stage 2 in may 2009, reverted me back just 2 months later after I phoned them with a technical enquiry( unbeknown to me)
Wasn't untill march 2013 that I had a stage2 reinstalled after I quizzed about my logs with them. Long story but I'm sure 315 bhp on JKM would be there or thereabouts comparing to Rtech.
As James's car ran same power on both rollers, should say something Ben :wink:
I'm sure at JKM, the new code logging and MAF readings and logs, will be no less then mid 320's minimum.
I'm at JKM on Thursday/Friday as it happens... :innocent:
I really hope it does mate, believe me. It's just that there has been sooooo many people who have been let down when on their rollers over the years, especially when running higher stages of tune (Stage 2+ etc).
325-330bhp on JKM's dyno is what is normally seen by Revo Stage 2+ cars going off previous results, so if it gets anywhere near that it will be a cracking result mate :happy2:
Is she going on this week then? :party:
Didn't James' crack nearly 400bhp at R-Tech?
James with the BWA ran 367bhp at JKM from memory, then with the CDL it ran 450lbft 380bhp on my dyno then the following week it ran bang on the same numbers at JKM.
The car will run 404bhp on the dyno be we have never been able to keep it at 400bhp due to the low pressure fuel pump not keeping up. so the safe limit we found is 380bhp until we find a solution for the fuel pump to keep trims below 18%.
As far as I know with the CDL and BWA engine its the most powerful K04 TFSI recorded on the dyno dynamics at JKM? (just moved the goal posts for numbers on that dyno) So people cannot blame there dyno for low numbers when a setup has made 360bhp+ on two occasions. Its all about getting the cars hardware 100% spot on first then map it. Some of the stage2+ setups out there are never going to get over 330bhp on the jkm no matter what mapping is used, but if the owners start looking into there hardware a little more and aim for cooling and flow instead of brand names then they might start seeing constant 340+bhp at JKM. (Performance hardware gimmicks dont make power they make the sellers money..lol) Maps and tuners are only as good as the hardware and engine VE.
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Never a truer word spoken on here :happy2:
I'm sure Hurdy got past the LPFP issue with a pump off an RS3 or summat - worth James dropping him a PM.
Fair comment about people buying brands over quality kit, a big name doesn't mean it's the best piece of kit (people slowly starting to realise that with remaps now :wink:)
I remember you telling me about the mk4 lads with the "eBay turbos" - people laughed at first and now they're tried and tested, everyone buying them :grin:
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So what would be good over not so good hardware parts, :party:
if you would like pm me :wink:
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So what would be good over not so good hardware parts, :party:
if you would like pm me :wink:
Basically see James build thread :grin:
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Great write up there Steve :congrats: think my mind is made up
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I had fun that day too ;)