MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Scottymon on September 16, 2015, 07:37:12 pm
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So I finally got around to fitting the ABS Pump fix kit this evening (been sat in the cupboard since last year :ashamed:), all went well (hopes)...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.voodish.co.uk%2Fmisc%2FABS_Fix_kit.jpg&hash=07b950c079500415acd632eb98909c86b8fd90d4)
cleared the VCDS error and didn't come back (which it used to immediately)... didn't have time to bleed the brakes, but have one of those EZ Bleed kits to do tomorrow morning...
Just wondering, what is the best order to bleed on the GTI? Nearest to the Master Cylinder and away, so Front Right / Front Left / Rear Right / Rear Left?
Have done it before AGES ago 5 years or so, but forgotten and have been relying on VW to do it since, so it would great to know, cheers. :)
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Thought it was opposite mate furthest away from reservoir first
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Thanks mate... there seems to be a lot of different thoughts on the net for the Mk5 GTI - I'm not 100% sure
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Front left, front right, rear left, rear right, clutch slave according to VW manuals
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Cheers mate... blimey... right, I guess I should go with the VW Manual... unless anyone else thinks any differently? LOL.
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i've always been taught to work from furthest to closest. but you cant really argue with the VW manuals lol
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Well I did the VW method, and the pedal seems good and stopping power is definitely better.
However, after clearing the codes, they didn't come back, but have a different ABS code now (sigh) and traffic light dashboard :( Could this mean the ABS needs coding of some description?
Here's the error:
1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
Ross Tech Wiki says: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/01316
Which suggests a wiring / comms issue... the main plug behind the pump is definitely seated well.
I used the VW Fix kit which has fixed the G201 error, does the above mean the other half is now fecked?
MOT next week too, haha. HELP, hugely appreciated :)
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Well I did the VW method, and the pedal seems good and stopping power is definitely better.
However, after clearing the codes, they didn't come back, but have a different ABS code now (sigh) and traffic light dashboard :( Could this mean the ABS needs coding of some description?
Here's the error:
1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
Ross Tech Wiki says: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/01316
Which suggests a wiring / comms issue... the main plug behind the pump is definitely seated well.
I used the VW Fix kit which has fixed the G201 error, does the above mean the other half is now fecked?
MOT next week too, haha. HELP, hugely appreciated :)
What warning lights are on the cluster after the scan and DTCs cancelling?
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Have you performed the basic settings as per this section 03
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Brake_Electronics_(MK60)#Basic_Setting
If not you need to.
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Well I did the VW method, and the pedal seems good and stopping power is definitely better.
However, after clearing the codes, they didn't come back, but have a different ABS code now (sigh) and traffic light dashboard :( Could this mean the ABS needs coding of some description?
Here's the error:
1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
Ross Tech Wiki says: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/01316
Which suggests a wiring / comms issue... the main plug behind the pump is definitely seated well.
I used the VW Fix kit which has fixed the G201 error, does the above mean the other half is now fecked?
MOT next week too, haha. HELP, hugely appreciated :)
What warning lights are on the cluster after the scan and DTCs cancelling?
Hi mate thanks for the reply.
After immediate clear via VCDS I get the ESP and Tyre Pressure signs on the cluster (Ignition/Startup).
But when moving off, 10-20mph perhaps, I get an additional ( ABS ) warning sign, as well as the above.
The Rosstech wiki shows comms issue, but I was Really careful to cover/wrap both plug and socket of the connecters with clean disposable gloves as I thought fluid may get on them - I'm pretty confident the connection is clean and sound.
Tad annoying really, as I thought I was golden, lol. Any suggestions :)
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Have you performed the basic settings as per this section 03
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Brake_Electronics_(MK60)#Basic_Setting
If not you need to.
I have not.
But I bloody well will do mate... Thanks :) Will check back. :happy2:
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:( No joy mate.
When activating BASIC SETTINGS via clicking the Button highlighted in green below, my response is: ERROR: Group 66 Not Available
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Brake Pressure Sensor 1 (G201)
Prerequisites:
System voltage at least 12.0 V.
[Select]
[03 - Brake Electronics]
[Measuring Blocks - 08]
Group 005
[Go!]
Check field 1, the value has to be between -8.0 and +8.0 bar.
[Done, Go Back]
[Coding-II - 11]
OR (if Coding-II is not available)
[Security Access - 16]
Enter 40168, to enable the basic setting.
[Do it!]
[Basic Settings - 04]
Group 066
[Go!]
Activate the Basic Setting.
[ON/OFF/Next]
After a successful basic setting, field 2 should say "OK".
[Done, Go Back]
To make sure the basic setting was successful, check the sensor again.
[Measuring Blocks - 08]
Group 005
[Go!]
Check field 1, the value has to be between -3.8 and +3.8 bar.
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
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Bugger :( What do peeps think from here? :)
Worth noting the Orange line from above the test comes back within the specified range...?
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Are you following the set up for your model of pump?
I know the last one I done was a right chew for it to accept the security code!
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I think so mate... it's accepting the Security Code (40168), then onto Basic Settings 04, but once in there and clicking the Activate button at the top, it spreads the: ERROR: Group 66 Not Available across all the field boxes in red/maroon.
That's as far as I've managed to go, as the instructions then say: After a successful basic setting, field 2 should say "OK".
DOH.
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This is very similar to the issue I had see if this helps you.
Read this all but section 5 pre ABS bleed is what you need to address first
http://www.andrewhope.co.uk/automotive/techdocs/g201_brake_sensor_repair.html
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Unfortunately, I've done all that, will do some more testing tomorrow evening - currently sat in the motor in the dark, swearing on occasion and rocking, neighbours must think I'm some sort of Dogger, haha.
Thanks for your help though, anymore insight from you or anyone else is greatly appreciated, I've got a sneaking suspicion I'm going to have to keep the car off road for a bit past MOT to get sorted. Booo.
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I remember calling Eddie-NL who talked me through a way around the issue on the last one I done cause I just split the original unit and installed the repair kit - is that what you've done or did you repair a different unit to the original unit and fit a repair kit to the replacement item?
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I split the original (MY2005 Mk60) Unit mate, due to the G201 Switch error; using the repair kit - wonder if @Eddie-NL (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2345) could recall his wisdom :D ? Life and Saver come to mind :happy2:
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I split the original (MY2005 Mk60) Unit mate, due to the G201 Switch error; using the repair kit - wonder if @Eddie-NL (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2345) could recall his wisdom :D ? Life and Saver come to mind :happy2:
He solved it with VCDS rather quickly after my many hours of rechecking my work - you can only ask him!
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I split the original (MY2005 Mk60) Unit mate, due to the G201 Switch error; using the repair kit - wonder if @Eddie-NL (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2345) could recall his wisdom :D ? Life and Saver come to mind :happy2:
He solved it with VCDS rather quickly after my many hours of rechecking my work - you can only ask him!
Fired him a PM, hopefully he'll jump on here :)
There are some other errors that have popped up too which are most likely related (I've heard the Steering Assist is part of the ABS system). I've had the Steering Assist many times before when disconnecting the battery but it usually dissappers after basic settings and a drive, this time it cleared, said OK, but now there's no power steering or comms to it, LOL, you have to laugh.
Friday,18,September,2015,12:11:24:10074
Chassis Type: 1K0
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 55 56
VIN: Mileage: 234330km/145605miles
00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 Q HW: 1K0 907 379 Q
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0102
Revision: 00T12001
Coding: 0004738
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 408B44336A13
1 Fault Found:
00287 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Rear Right (G44)
003 - Mechanical Failure - Intermittent
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Address 44: Steering Assist
Cannot be reached
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Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
Part No: 1T0 907 357
Component: Dynamische LWR 0003
Coding: 0000003
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: F4E358E3EE2B
1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
013 - Check DTC Memory
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^^ Look where the ABS Control Module showed up, in Xenon range ^^ weird. :rolleye:
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I wonder if the Duff ABS Wheel Speed Sensor is not allowing the Steering Assist to be calibrated?
I took everything out again and disconnected the plug and checked the wiring, looked all good... I get this from the Steering Assist now:
Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Part No: 1K2 909 144 K
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.0 D06 1701
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 346318E32EAB
2 Faults Found:
02546 - Steering Limit Stop
005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
Freeze Frame:
Mileage: 4320 km
Temperature: 27.0°C
Voltage: 12.20 V
Voltage: 11.90 V
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
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For my money it's just completing the basic settings with VCDS and not the ABS sensor!
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I've tried matey, must be 10 times on the road now, I swear people think I'm eyeing up their homes, lol.
I've had the offside rear wheel off, and the "reluctor ring?" if that's the name, that the sensor reads from, felt scored and not smooth with quite a bit of rust, I did try and brighten it a bit but the error returned.
I ran Measuring Blocks on the wheel speed sensors and THAT one isn't showing any speed, the others all read exactly the same correct road speed.
As it's the only hardware problem I can see and it's ABS related I think I need to try and sort it. But I'm not 100% sure whether it's the sensor or the hub... logic suggests it's the hub, as when I clear the error in VCDS it doesn't come back until I move the car, I would've thought that if the sensor was broken then it would return straight away, but that's guess work... I'd much prefer to just change the sensor as I bet the hub is a PITA and special spline required I've read...... hmmph :(
Before I do anything though, I think I'm going to FULLY charge the battery, and try the settings again... low juice causes mad issues. Having no Power Steering is a chore though :driver:
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Still remuging about for clues :)
Looks like Rosstech specifically state in the special notes area that if a WSS (wheel speed sensor) is not working then the steering wheel stop adaptation wont work:
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Steering_Assist#Steering_Limit_Stop_Adaptation
Is there any way to tell whether its a bad sensor or the hub that needs doing before actually doing it?
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Anyone got a 12 point Triple Square Spline 18mm with 3/8 drive I could borrow?
Halfords only seem to have a 16mm in their Professional range, DOH.
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I doubt you will get 18mm in 3/8 drive.
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You're right mate, looks like 1/2 inch only - bit of a monster torque requirement 180lbft and half turn. Looked everywhere locally (online) just can't get them.
My local VW parts desk shutdown recently, so it's a 60 mile trip to the nearest, don't really want to drive it that far with no PAS; I'll grab one online. :happy2:
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Where about are you has I have one,it's normally the sensor on the rear wheel bearing that goes rather than the abs sensor
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That's what I've read too mate, I'm in North Wales, Llandegla area tomorow morning... thanks for the offer mate. :happy2:
What's the opinion of a pattern hub/wheel bearing part from EuroCP?
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Still remuging about for clues :)
Looks like Rosstech specifically state in the special notes area that if a WSS (wheel speed sensor) is not working then the steering wheel stop adaptation wont work:
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Steering_Assist#Steering_Limit_Stop_Adaptation
Is there any way to tell whether its a bad sensor or the hub that needs doing before actually doing it?
Out of interest was the vehicle scanned before the ABS pump tear down if so was the wheel sensor faulty on that scan?
I test the ABS sensors with a multimeter and just compare the value to a working sensors on the ohms scale - this might help http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=129702.0
On price check with TPS - in our area there keen to match Euro CP.
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Still remuging about for clues :)
Looks like Rosstech specifically state in the special notes area that if a WSS (wheel speed sensor) is not working then the steering wheel stop adaptation wont work:
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Steering_Assist#Steering_Limit_Stop_Adaptation
Is there any way to tell whether its a bad sensor or the hub that needs doing before actually doing it?
Out of interest was the vehicle scanned before the ABS pump tear down if so was the wheel sensor faulty on that scan?
I test the ABS sensors with a multimeter and just compare the value to a working sensors on the ohms scale - this might help http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=129702.0
On price check with TPS - in our area there keen to match Euro CP.
Looking back through my scans, yes it was mate... makes me feel better that it wasn't false due to the pump being split. I just didn't notice because the dash has been lit up for ages. :ashamed:
INteresting to hear TPS will try and price match, as I'd definitely prefer OEM on this type of part. :happy2:
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You will be banging your head against the wall until you sort the reluctor/sensor problem, I have used rear bearings on ebay £30 for years with no problems, biggest ball ache is the bolts holding the brake caliper retaining bracket on, better done on a ramp using a long breaker bar to remove. Should find once this problem with the sensor is fixed, things will start working ok.
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You will be banging your head against the wall until you sort the reluctor/sensor problem, I have used rear bearings on ebay £30 for years with no problems, biggest ball ache is the bolts holding the brake caliper retaining bracket on, better done on a ramp using a long breaker bar to remove. Should find once this problem with the sensor is fixed, things will start working ok.
Here's hoping bud :)
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Wednesday,23,September,2015,16:10:22:10074
Chassis Type: 1K0
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 55 56
VIN: 51651651561561561 Mileage: 234410km/145655miles
00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
:happy2:
MOT next :)
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What cured it?
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Hopefully the wheel sensor
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Sorry guys, should've mentioned that... Offside Rear wheel hub reluctor ring, then recalibration. It would've all worked grand after doing the ABS pump if the Wheel Hub wasn't foobarred, as the Power Steering is linked heavily into the wheel speed, I thought it back here (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,100923.msg989346.html#msg989346), but wasn't sure if it was the sensor or the hub.
After measuring the wheel speed from each side using VCDS measuring blocks... that Offside rear wasn't returning a value. Cleared the fault, it didn't come back straight away... if the sensor was an Open Circuit then I would assume the sensor was at fault and return straight away. It only returned when trying to read from the Hub reluctor ring whilst in motion, so I took this educated guess at it being the Hub at fault.
Replaced it + VCDS magic = Happy days. :happy2:
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PASSED no advisories. :pomppomp:
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Well done mate :congrats:
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Well done mate :congrats:
Cheers mate... bit chuffed truth be told :)