MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Vwgtiking on December 07, 2015, 06:13:11 pm
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I recently installed the k04 ramair intake kit and not keen on the whoosh as it comes in too loud to early for me, so it will for sale soon.
Therefore I wanna put the standard air box back but before I do I want to check a couple of things.
1. Is there a silicone option that joins between the turbo and maf. Looks as though it's just a right angle but don't know the correct I/d or length I require. Any help would be nice.
2. The oem snorkel I have is really bad is there an aftermarket alternative just for the snorkel?
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Also which panel filter for a little extra grunt?
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I am looking at getting the ramair kit for my Edition 30... Am interested to know the issues with the noise. Is it overly loud?
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i'm starting of with getting a drop-in filter like K&N and if i need sound i will buy a CAI
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I am looking at getting the ramair kit for my Edition 30... Am interested to know the issues with the noise. Is it overly loud?
It kicks in around 2k rpm I expected it to be more of 4k. So it's quite loud as you move off. Which is not what I wanted.
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i'm starting of with getting a drop-in filter like K&N and if i need sound i will buy a CAI
I've been googling and may redirect the cold air feed for the std airbox.
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i'm starting of with getting a drop-in filter like K&N and if i need sound i will buy a CAI
I've been googling and may redirect the cold air feed for the std airbox.
this is the one i will be buying http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252065393791?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252065393791?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
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I'm selling my neuspeed P-flow pipe and Ramair filter as my DSG isn't happy with it not driving properly.
Going to buy the above replacement panel filter instead. don't want the noise as I'm going to make noise from the forge DV i have lol
M
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Wasting your time with a panel filter and fiddling with the air feed guys, been there and tried it. Also, adding any kind of vent to atmosphere DV will just make your car slower
If you want noise then get a decent intake, plenty to choose from. If you want performance, with less noise, then get an enclosed intake.
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I am stage 2+ on my eddy with standard air box and vwr panel filter. I can't quantify how much the panel filter adds or doesn't but the car drives prefectly and makes perfect stage 2+ power. I tried a induction and hated the noise.
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So, oem is not very good? I thought it would be fine? And should go for an enclosed filter. What options are there for enclosed sub £200.
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So, oem is not very good? I thought it would be fine? And should go for an enclosed filter. What options are there for enclosed sub £200.
OEM is good. You'll really benefit from a cone filter when you're trying to improve flow, ie maxing out the turbo at Stage 2/2+ levels of tune.
But for standard boost or Stage 1, opinion is pretty divided. A few people report losing low down torque and responsiveness with a cone setup, which is a trade-off for the extra flow and therefore power you'll gain at higher revs.
I've read plenty of accounts of people going back to the standard airbox setup at Stage 2/2+ power and actually finding it nicer to drive, perhaps at the expense of a few peak horses (pub talk figures), but if it's nicer to drive that's surely a better objective.
What car is yours - K03? Remapped?
What are your long term plans for tuning, and how do you want the car to actually drive?
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I have k03 just stage 1 remap. Not sure on plans really. Just wanted a nice grunt will better flow. Or the if there is a whoosh then only come in at 4k or something so it's not noisy for town driving.
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I have k03 just stage 1 remap. Not sure on plans really. Just wanted a nice grunt will better flow. Or the if there is a whoosh then only come in at 4k or something so it's not noisy for town driving.
You thought about going Stage 2 with a good downpipe and sports cat/decat instead?
There's more to gain flow wise getting gas out than air in on these engines. It'll sound good, and if anything help the turbo spool a bit quicker rather than just pushing the torque curve up the revs like an intake would.
Someone in another thread went from 247bhp to 273bhp and 290 odd lb/ft to over 340 lb/ft, that's with a full Powervalve exhaust and map tweak to Stage 2 at R-Tech. And that was with a K&N panel in the standard airbox incidentally.
Yes it's a more expensive option, but maybe it'd suit what you're after more than an intake.
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Yes it's something to consider. Have been looking at k04s to.
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It's a slippery slope!
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What about using say a universal enclosed air filter for £30? Would they be ok? Obviously I will buy the pipe work to match.
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Wasting your time with a panel filter and fiddling with the air feed guys, been there and tried it. Also, adding any kind of vent to atmosphere DV will just make your car slower
If you want noise then get a decent intake, plenty to choose from. If you want performance, with less noise, then get an enclosed intake.
After fitting a pipe and filter I'm very much doubting them now unless the cars had a very minimal stage 1 which I'm not contemplating at the moment. I can't understand why they are selling these DV'z if they cause problems as the big tuners sell them and don't mention anything regards losing power :confused: Not saying you don't know but I'm just shocked at this. My tt had mods Badger5 v3 tip, Cone filter FMIC relentless down pipe de cat cat back milltek de baffled charge pipe and no issues with power before a re map in fact a little bit throatier and after the remap it was very quick.
Just a few pics not showing off :)
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Can anyone confirm which kits are the quietest?
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After fitting a pipe and filter I'm very much doubting them now unless the cars had a very minimal stage 1 which I'm not contemplating at the moment. I can't understand why they are selling these DV'z if they cause problems as the big tuners sell them and don't mention anything regards losing power :confused: Not saying you don't know but I'm just shocked at this. My tt had mods Badger5 v3 tip, Cone filter FMIC relentless down pipe de cat cat back milltek de baffled charge pipe and no issues with power before a re map in fact a little bit throatier and after the remap it was very quick.
Gains on a stock map are minimal, often find you lose some low down torque and gain a small amount of top end HP. Only really worthwhile when remapped at a minimum. There are also good designs/intakes and bad ones, and the MAF housing size & diameter along with the MAF calibration in the software are critical for optimising performance and need to be matched.
Revo software for instance (and this is from experience) - When upgrading to Stage 2 software, I used the original MAF housing cut from the airbox, and as a result saw poor response/performance, high fuel trims (+15%!) and low MAF readings. Swapping to an aftermarket intake and MAF housing (same MAF housing diameter and sensor placement as the Revo intake) saw the car run much better. Even swapping from my current MAF pipe to that of another manufacturer (the Ramair kit which positions the sensor slightly differently) results in a big drop in performance. This is due to the MAF calibration being matched to their intake.
Why do 'big tuners'/companies do anything? To turn a profit. There is a gap in the market for people wanting the dump valve noise and they fill it, make it sound as good as possible to maximise sales and profit. Since when is any company 100% truthful about how good a product is? How often do you see those electric fans that go in your intake claim an extra 25hp? Or those fuel magnetiser things that go over the fuel pipe and claim to increase performance and fuel economy?
The difference with your TT is that you used the original MAF and MAF housing, so you'll see nothing but gains by removing restriction with the filter and TIP, the MAF reading and scaling would still be 100% correct
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I'm selling my neuspeed P-flow pipe and Ramair filter as my DSG isn't happy with it not driving properly.
Going to buy the above replacement panel filter instead. don't want the noise as I'm going to make noise from the forge DV i have lol
M
Why didn't it drive well?
Writen with my fingers
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I've got the enclosed VWR intake on my ED30 running APR software and DSG box.
Works brilliant......not noisy at all....slight whooshes and odd chirp but not intrusive at all !
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I have k03 just stage 1 remap. Not sure on plans really. Just wanted a nice grunt will better flow. Or the if there is a whoosh then only come in at 4k or something so it's not noisy for town driving.
You thought about going Stage 2 with a good downpipe and sports cat/decat instead?
There's more to gain flow wise getting gas out than air in on these engines. It'll sound good, and if anything help the turbo spool a bit quicker rather than just pushing the torque curve up the revs like an intake would.
Someone in another thread went from 247bhp to 273bhp and 290 odd lb/ft to over 340 lb/ft, that's with a full Powervalve exhaust and map tweak to Stage 2 at R-Tech. And that was with a K&N panel in the standard airbox incidentally.
Yes it's a more expensive option, but maybe it'd suit what you're after more than an intake.
And that someone was me - thanks AJP :smiley:
I'd say exhaust system every time. I'm really happy with my current set-up and love the panel air filter. It does the job.
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My tuned K03 felt more torquey lower in the rev range with the standard air box over a couple of CAI's I tried... Felt free-er at the top though and sounded better.
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Scotty, that sounds good but I want to replace the pipe from turbo to maf. Have you kept the plastic pipe? What filter have you used and any noise difference?
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Slight concerned with the loud noises - I've just bought a revo intake and I didn't want the loud wooshes but from what I read it isn't as loud as the others in the market?
On the other hand I probably wouldn't hear it much inside the cabin as I have my stereo on :signLOL:
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Slight concerned with the loud noises - I've just bought a revo intake and I didn't want the loud wooshes but from what I read it isn't as loud as the others in the market?
On the other hand I probably wouldn't hear it much inside the cabin as I have my stereo on :signLOL:
I thought the revo intake was loud kept it 3 months then got passed on to another forum member.
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Slight concerned with the loud noises - I've just bought a revo intake and I didn't want the loud wooshes but from what I read it isn't as loud as the others in the market?
On the other hand I probably wouldn't hear it much inside the cabin as I have my stereo on :signLOL:
I thought the revo intake was loud kept it 3 months then got passed on to another forum member.
As long as it's not too fast and furious style I should be ok with it...
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As long as it's not too fast and furious style I should be ok with it...
IMO the revo intake was very fast and furious. It was fun for a few days.
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Revo intake is the loudest I think due to the aluminium pipe work etc! I have one and sometimes it does my head in but it's a really good intake, supposedly the best bolt on intake on the market!
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Should have done some proper research! Well I'm fitting it today hopefully so worst case if I don't get on with it can always sell it on and go back to stock.. Slipper my slope indeed! :signLOL:
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Scotty, that sounds good but I want to replace the pipe from turbo to maf. Have you kept the plastic pipe? What filter have you used and any noise difference?
Nah I kept that standard mate. I have a K&N panel, but makes no difference...
I had a Carbonaro (Spelling?) does nothing, but didn't expect it to really, sold it.
Had a Neuspeed Pipe on a stick, lots of noise and extra breathing top end, sold it :)
Had a Volant CAI for a while too, was ok, not so much noise and looked very OEM, but again didn't have as much low down torque as the standard crap box (I call it that, because I hate the design, with all those bloody bungs that split on you), here's the Volant:
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After fitting a pipe and filter I'm very much doubting them now unless the cars had a very minimal stage 1 which I'm not contemplating at the moment. I can't understand why they are selling these DV'z if they cause problems as the big tuners sell them and don't mention anything regards losing power :confused: Not saying you don't know but I'm just shocked at this. My tt had mods Badger5 v3 tip, Cone filter FMIC relentless down pipe de cat cat back milltek de baffled charge pipe and no issues with power before a re map in fact a little bit throatier and after the remap it was very quick.
Gains on a stock map are minimal, often find you lose some low down torque and gain a small amount of top end HP. Only really worthwhile when remapped at a minimum. There are also good designs/intakes and bad ones, and the MAF housing size & diameter along with the MAF calibration in the software are critical for optimising performance and need to be matched.
Revo software for instance (and this is from experience) - When upgrading to Stage 2 software, I used the original MAF housing cut from the airbox, and as a result saw poor response/performance, high fuel trims (+15%!) and low MAF readings. Swapping to an aftermarket intake and MAF housing (same MAF housing diameter and sensor placement as the Revo intake) saw the car run much better. Even swapping from my current MAF pipe to that of another manufacturer (the Ramair kit which positions the sensor slightly differently) results in a big drop in performance. This is due to the MAF calibration being matched to their intake.
Why do 'big tuners'/companies do anything? To turn a profit. There is a gap in the market for people wanting the dump valve noise and they fill it, make it sound as good as possible to maximise sales and profit. Since when is any company 100% truthful about how good a product is? How often do you see those electric fans that go in your intake claim an extra 25hp? Or those fuel magnetiser things that go over the fuel pipe and claim to increase performance and fuel economy?
The difference with your TT is that you used the original MAF and MAF housing, so you'll see nothing but gains by removing restriction with the filter and TIP, the MAF reading and scaling would still be 100% correct
Thanks for the explanation Dan, I was also thinking maybe if I fitted a mesh in before the MAF might help as it's restricting the full flow like the oem one and help me with my woes?.
I did think about thr tt having the oem maf housing and yes everything else is a bonus for the tt 225 :drool:
Thanks
M
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I'm selling my neuspeed P-flow pipe and Ramair filter as my DSG isn't happy with it not driving properly.
Going to buy the above replacement panel filter instead. don't want the noise as I'm going to make noise from the forge DV i have lol
M
Why didn't it drive well?
Writen with my fingers
Basically what happens with this Neuspeed is I get lots of air sucking in with high revving but cars not going anywhere like a manual car clutch slipping???
Put the oem ugly box back on and """wham""" cars like a rocket again.
Love the sound but dislike what it's doing to my car's performance and swollowing all my fuel up too.
Standard map so maybe that's the problem here. can't say for sure but I'm going to sell the Neuspeed P-flow with the huge Ramair filter and juat stick the ugly box back on.
M
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Basically VW spend a lot of money developing an air box, then some bloke buys some pipes and builds one in his shed, there's the difference
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Audi spent a lot of money developing an airbox but look what happens when you replace it with a 3 inch Badger tip and cone filter :jumping: :jumpmove:
VW are just a rip off as they even cheated the world with the emissions hahaha
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Should have done some proper research! Well I'm fitting it today hopefully so worst case if I don't get on with it can always sell it on and go back to stock.. Slipper my slope indeed! :signLOL:
Has this been fitted Shoayb? How did it go? Post a video/pics if you can. Or better still drive down to Nottingham, have some shisha, then let's go for a blast!
If you decide to sell, let me know, may be interested. Although I am unsure at the moment. Will have to see it in the flesh and listen to it before making a decision.
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@rashg60 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11930) sounds like a plan we will have to arrange a mini meet :happy2:
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I am stage 2+ on my eddy with standard air box and vwr panel filter. I can't quantify how much the panel filter adds or doesn't but the car drives prefectly and makes perfect stage 2+ power. I tried a induction and hated the noise.
Same. You won't get a better compromise than the factory solution. The amount of money car makers spend on NVH and flow optimisation is scary. Designing a bit of drain pipe with a filter on the end really doesn't take much skill at all, but if folk aren't bothered by every day refinement, then a 3-5% gain right at the top end can be expected, but it will probably blunt the bottom end a bit.
What I dislike the most about after market filters is cotton gauze. It sucks as a filter. I know it's been an internet debate for decades, but unpleat a standard filter and lay it out on a table. Do the same to a K&N and there's no denying the physics - surface area 101. One will need changing at 20,000 miles. The other will need cleaning in a 3rd of that mileage, but if folk don't mind a bit of extra maintenance, again, the reward is a very slight gain up top.
I'd always start with the exhaust first on a turbo engine because the turbo itself is the restriction, not the air filter.
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It's never going to be as simple as a bit of drain pipe and a filter. As you say VW spend a fortune of tuning the intake system as a whole. It's all matched together, I am sure the intake length, manifold design, Intake runner etc etc is all optimised for the airbox. I tried a induction kit and it ruined the low down torque and general low speed drive ability.
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I've decided to keep my factory airbox even though I fitted enough parts for a Stage 2+ tune. I'll share the results when I get the tune done. :smiley:
So far the car has done 269 BHP with stock map on a MAHA bench (1,2 bar peak and 0,7 bar stable). It's very linear, the way I like it to be.
I'm not aiming for high numbers, just want an improved power delivery and good drive ability. :smiley:
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The problem I don't like about oem is the pipe from turbo to maf. It doesn't feel tight or secure enough. If there something to replace it let me know.
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The problem I don't like about oem is the pipe from turbo to maf. It doesn't feel tight or secure enough. If there something to replace it let me know.
My mechanic doesn't like much the factory airbox but I don't remember him complaining about that bit. He's picky with the way parts are made. Are you sure you need to worry about it?
An airbox like TSI engines have would have been better, I think. :confused:
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I got a 2.0 TSI. would my airbox fit a mk5 gti. just out of curiousity?
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The problem I don't like about oem is the pipe from turbo to maf. It doesn't feel tight or secure enough. If there something to replace it let me know.
It should be tight and have a large rubber o-ring on it, are you missing the o-ring. It's a tight fit in mine and held in with two clamps
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I got a 2.0 TSI. would my airbox fit a mk5 gti. just out of curiousity?
No
The problem I don't like about oem is the pipe from turbo to maf. It doesn't feel tight or secure enough. If there something to replace it let me know.
I've already shown you the Forge offering which is the only aftermarket replacement unless you have the means to fabricate your own.
It's never going to be as simple as a bit of drain pipe and a filter. As you say VW spend a fortune of tuning the intake system as a whole. It's all matched together, I am sure the intake length, manifold design, Intake runner etc etc is all optimised for the airbox. I tried a induction kit and it ruined the low down torque and general low speed drive ability.
It's not as simple as that, the standard airbox is designed to be quiet whilst using a cheap to replace paper filter. You can't have a matched airbox with the intake etc. when you have a turbo and several feet of twisting, narrow pipe between them.
The crucial most overlooked part is the MAF sensor reading/scaling. A lot of aftermarket kits, including the RamAir kit, ruin throttle response and low down drivability (and even produce what feels like lag) solely from the MAF reading/scaling. I've learnt this from experience having bought their MAF pipe to try. I took it off within a mile of driving the car and replaced it with another MAF pipe
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The problem I don't like about oem is the pipe from turbo to maf. It doesn't feel tight or secure enough. If there something to replace it let me know.
I've already shown you the Forge offering which is the only aftermarket replacement unless you have the means to fabricate your own.
Hi mate. I know. I asked awesome gti if it will fit a k03 as it says it's for k04. They said no it won't. I know the turbo end is same diameter so assume maf is bigger on k04?
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Its exactly the same, the only difference is the K04 has the take-off for the DV return pipe, which simply needs to be blocked up on a K03
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The problem I don't like about oem is the pipe from turbo to maf. It doesn't feel tight or secure enough. If there something to replace it let me know.
I've already shown you the Forge offering which is the only aftermarket replacement unless you have the means to fabricate your own.
Hi mate. I know. I asked awesome gti if it will fit a k03 as it says it's for k04. They said no it won't. I know the turbo end is same diameter so assume maf is bigger on k04?
If you check the for sale thread you'll see a k04 k03 variant pipe I'm selling and it's blocked off by a rubber bung.
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Just checked with awesome again as the pipe diameters between k03 and k04 are the same. This time they confirm they fit. Will see how this vwr kit pans out as I am getting the annoying whistle from 3.5k on full throttle. Need to test oem air box to see if it disappears as it wasn't there before or on the k04 ramair kit.
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Some intakes make that whine on a K03 and some dont. Its a horrid noise. I found the smaller diamater pipework (all one diameter, usually 70mm) to be the worst for it.
It will of course go completely with the standard airbox on as that thing masks all noisesm
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My Neuspeed P-flow doesn't make that noise but screws with my power so off with its head :P and back to good ol old school ugly box :jumping:
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I need a little help. I am thinking of putting the std air box back but instead of using the oem air duct from grill to the air box am thinking of using a large piece of silicon pipe from the box to the grill. Just wondering if there is anything out like what the twin take or vwr use that hold the pipes in place in the front grille??
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I really wouldn't other with it mate. too much hassle for nothing imho :smiley:
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I got a 2.0 TSI. would my airbox fit a mk5 gti. just out of curiousity?
No
The problem I don't like about oem is the pipe from turbo to maf. It doesn't feel tight or secure enough. If there something to replace it let me know.
I've already shown you the Forge offering which is the only aftermarket replacement unless you have the means to fabricate your own.
It's never going to be as simple as a bit of drain pipe and a filter. As you say VW spend a fortune of tuning the intake system as a whole. It's all matched together, I am sure the intake length, manifold design, Intake runner etc etc is all optimised for the airbox. I tried a induction kit and it ruined the low down torque and general low speed drive ability.
It's not as simple as that, the standard airbox is designed to be quiet whilst using a cheap to replace paper filter. You can't have a matched airbox with the intake etc. when you have a turbo and several feet of twisting, narrow pipe between them.
The crucial most overlooked part is the MAF sensor reading/scaling. A lot of aftermarket kits, including the RamAir kit, ruin throttle response and low down drivability (and even produce what feels like lag) solely from the MAF reading/scaling. I've learnt this from experience having bought their MAF pipe to try. I took it off within a mile of driving the car and replaced it with another MAF pipe
I'm not convinced it's only the MAF scaling causing drivability issues Seems to be anyone who fits a induction kit reports a loss in low down torque, some just put up with it. Are you saying not a single induction kit has correct MAF scaling ?. I tired a Revo kit back to back with the standard airbox and Revo make a big deal about MAF scaling. That too didn't drive as well as standard airbox.
I agree with you that having the turbo in the way of the inlet flow would mess with things compared to a NA engine. But from reading post after post and my own experience with the Revo kit there seems to be more too it. (Whatever the cause)
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I got a 2.0 TSI. would my airbox fit a mk5 gti. just out of curiousity?
No
The problem I don't like about oem is the pipe from turbo to maf. It doesn't feel tight or secure enough. If there something to replace it let me know.
I've already shown you the Forge offering which is the only aftermarket replacement unless you have the means to fabricate your own.
Nope you haven't. Dan fr has shown me a samco which said k04 and awesome said it wouldn't but after checking again after this post they said it would.
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Loss of torque during off boost driving, or delayed onset of boost (lag)? I noticed a delayed onset of boost and poor response from the turbo with different MAF pipes that I tried
MAF scaling in the software has to be matched to the intake. Revo software is calibrated to run the
Revo intake - If you run the standard MAF housing (from the airbox) you end up with low readings and fuel trims of over 15%, along with poor response and drivability. Regardless of the size similarity, the readings are not the same when moving from an oval to a round intake, and with the MAF sensor positioned at different points in the intake (Central, or closer to the edge)
NO aftermarket intakes read the same as the original airbox, the issue is whether a tuner adjusts the MAF scaling for the intake (which is no mean feat). I don't know which other tuners do, and which do not.
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Think you're getting quotes mixed up.... It was me that wrote:
"I've already shown you the Forge offering which is the only aftermarket replacement unless you have the means to fabricate your own.
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Dan fr. No look at madones post he quoted me and said that comment above. Plus you showed me a samco hose on awesomes webpage. No one has shown me a forge one.
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Ordered the samco one from awesome. 3-4wks wait.
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Let us know how you get on, fingers crossed its worth the money!!
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The oem one just doesn't feel very secure. Will look to dv relocate too.
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As long as it's not too fast and furious style I should be ok with it...
IMO the revo intake was very fast and furious. It was fun for a few days.
Have to say I agree with you - ditched it after a week of having it on!