Post by: mkmg76 on January 13, 2017, 12:34:34 pm
I'd really like a set of BBS RC 336 rims from the MK4 anniversary on my MK5. Is it possible without a ton of headaches?
Would ideally like to know if there is a set of hubs out there from anything in the VAG range that will fit the MK5 and have the correct PCD.
Either that or I'm contemplating drilling/welding the originals to take the wheels.
Have (half-ar5ed) searched but haven't found anything. Anyone done it and have a nice easy solution for me?
Cheers,
Mick. :happy2:
Post by: pudding on January 13, 2017, 01:21:07 pm
Keep us posted as it's an interesting idea :smiley:
I presume BBS have stopped making RCs now?
Post by: mkmg76 on January 13, 2017, 01:27:52 pm
Blimey, that will be a task! Unless there's a lesser spec Golf that uses the same hub/bearing assembly with the 5x100 stud pattern, you're kind of limited to adapters/spacers, or redrilling!
Keep us posted as it's an interesting idea :smiley:
I presume BBS have stopped making RCs now?
I haven't tried BBS but i'd assume they'd be a small fortune if they still do them. :sick:
I borrowed a set of adapters from a friend but as suspected, the offset was WAY off. The wheels stuck out about 25mm past the arches.
However, that's when the idea came to me about drilling the hubs as I can bolt the adapters to the original hubs and use the other 5x100 holes to align the new holes perfectly, drill/tap and weld up the old holes for strength(if needed). The hubs are fully removable on the MK5 complete with bearing, the Mk4 are not.
Just thought id throw out the question before i commit to engineering solutions! :signLOL:
Post by: pudding on January 13, 2017, 01:56:03 pm
Blimey, that will be a task! Unless there's a lesser spec Golf that uses the same hub/bearing assembly with the 5x100 stud pattern, you're kind of limited to adapters/spacers, or redrilling!
Keep us posted as it's an interesting idea :smiley:
I presume BBS have stopped making RCs now?
I haven't tried BBS but i'd assume they'd be a small fortune if they still do them. :sick:
I borrowed a set of adapters from a friend but as suspected, the offset was WAY off. The wheels stuck out about 25mm past the arches.
However, that's when the idea came to me about drilling the hubs as I can bolt the adapters to the original hubs and use the other 5x100 holes to align the new holes perfectly, drill/tap and weld up the old holes for strength(if needed). The hubs are fully removable on the MK5 complete with bearing, the Mk4 are not.
Just thought id throw out the question before i commit to engineering solutions! :signLOL:
Yeah RCs have gone for good, brand new at least. Shame as they were very nice wheels, and bloody light too!
Your idea sounds spot on tbh! If there's enough meat between the drillings in the hub, I wouldn't worry too much about plug welding them. 312mm discs from VAG come multi-drilled as standard these days, so it's probably strong enough.
As you say, it can be done on the bench with MK5 hubs! If you fancy using new bearings (I would personally....whilst you're in there and all that), get them quick as they're going up in price next week!
Post by: mkmg76 on January 13, 2017, 02:12:47 pm
Blimey, that will be a task! Unless there's a lesser spec Golf that uses the same hub/bearing assembly with the 5x100 stud pattern, you're kind of limited to adapters/spacers, or redrilling!
Keep us posted as it's an interesting idea :smiley:
I presume BBS have stopped making RCs now?
I haven't tried BBS but i'd assume they'd be a small fortune if they still do them. :sick:
I borrowed a set of adapters from a friend but as suspected, the offset was WAY off. The wheels stuck out about 25mm past the arches.
However, that's when the idea came to me about drilling the hubs as I can bolt the adapters to the original hubs and use the other 5x100 holes to align the new holes perfectly, drill/tap and weld up the old holes for strength(if needed). The hubs are fully removable on the MK5 complete with bearing, the Mk4 are not.
Just thought id throw out the question before i commit to engineering solutions! :signLOL:
Yeah RCs have gone for good, brand new at least. Shame as they were very nice wheels, and bloody light too!
Your idea sounds spot on tbh! If there's enough meat between the drillings in the hub, I wouldn't worry too much about plug welding them. 312mm discs from VAG come multi-drilled as standard these days, so it's probably strong enough.
As you say, it can be done on the bench with MK5 hubs! If you fancy using new bearings (I would personally....whilst you're in there and all that), get them quick as they're going up in price next week!
Cheers man, yeah, I think it will be the way to go alright.
Thanks for the tip on the bearing prices but I work for an aftermarket parts wholesaler so I'm sorted on that front. We stock Febi, FAG etc, spoiled for choice!
I always like the RC's, I had a spare set for my old Anniversary which I'd had refurbished to sell with the car. The buyer opted not to take them so they're sitting at home............egging me on! :)
What can I say, I'm weak!
Post by: pudding on January 13, 2017, 02:17:17 pm
Blimey, that will be a task! Unless there's a lesser spec Golf that uses the same hub/bearing assembly with the 5x100 stud pattern, you're kind of limited to adapters/spacers, or redrilling!
Keep us posted as it's an interesting idea :smiley:
I presume BBS have stopped making RCs now?
I haven't tried BBS but i'd assume they'd be a small fortune if they still do them. :sick:
I borrowed a set of adapters from a friend but as suspected, the offset was WAY off. The wheels stuck out about 25mm past the arches.
However, that's when the idea came to me about drilling the hubs as I can bolt the adapters to the original hubs and use the other 5x100 holes to align the new holes perfectly, drill/tap and weld up the old holes for strength(if needed). The hubs are fully removable on the MK5 complete with bearing, the Mk4 are not.
Just thought id throw out the question before i commit to engineering solutions! :signLOL:
Yeah RCs have gone for good, brand new at least. Shame as they were very nice wheels, and bloody light too!
Your idea sounds spot on tbh! If there's enough meat between the drillings in the hub, I wouldn't worry too much about plug welding them. 312mm discs from VAG come multi-drilled as standard these days, so it's probably strong enough.
As you say, it can be done on the bench with MK5 hubs! If you fancy using new bearings (I would personally....whilst you're in there and all that), get them quick as they're going up in price next week!
Cheers man, yeah, I think it will be the way to go alright.
Thanks for the tip on the bearing prices but I work for an aftermarket parts wholesaler so I'm sorted on that front. We stock Febi, FAG etc, spoiled for choice!
I always like the RC's, I had a spare set for my old Anniversary which I'd had refurbished to sell with the car. The buyer opted not to take them so they're sitting at home............egging me on! :)
What can I say, I'm weak!
Nice one :happy2: The genuines I bought last week are FAG ( :grin: - childish I know) so I'd use those personally. Nice clean metal to drill / weld!
Really keen to see the results of this as the RC is one of my fave wheels ever, second after the LM!
Post by: mkmg76 on January 13, 2017, 02:31:06 pm
Blimey, that will be a task! Unless there's a lesser spec Golf that uses the same hub/bearing assembly with the 5x100 stud pattern, you're kind of limited to adapters/spacers, or redrilling!
Keep us posted as it's an interesting idea :smiley:
I presume BBS have stopped making RCs now?
I haven't tried BBS but i'd assume they'd be a small fortune if they still do them. :sick:
I borrowed a set of adapters from a friend but as suspected, the offset was WAY off. The wheels stuck out about 25mm past the arches.
However, that's when the idea came to me about drilling the hubs as I can bolt the adapters to the original hubs and use the other 5x100 holes to align the new holes perfectly, drill/tap and weld up the old holes for strength(if needed). The hubs are fully removable on the MK5 complete with bearing, the Mk4 are not.
Just thought id throw out the question before i commit to engineering solutions! :signLOL:
Yeah RCs have gone for good, brand new at least. Shame as they were very nice wheels, and bloody light too!
Your idea sounds spot on tbh! If there's enough meat between the drillings in the hub, I wouldn't worry too much about plug welding them. 312mm discs from VAG come multi-drilled as standard these days, so it's probably strong enough.
As you say, it can be done on the bench with MK5 hubs! If you fancy using new bearings (I would personally....whilst you're in there and all that), get them quick as they're going up in price next week!
Cheers man, yeah, I think it will be the way to go alright.
Thanks for the tip on the bearing prices but I work for an aftermarket parts wholesaler so I'm sorted on that front. We stock Febi, FAG etc, spoiled for choice!
I always like the RC's, I had a spare set for my old Anniversary which I'd had refurbished to sell with the car. The buyer opted not to take them so they're sitting at home............egging me on! :)
What can I say, I'm weak!
Nice one :happy2: The genuines I bought last week are FAG ( :grin: - childish I know) so I'd use those personally. Nice clean metal to drill / weld!
Really keen to see the results of this as the RC is one of my fave wheels ever, second after the LM!
Good taste! :happy2:
There's a set of LM replicas on the car at the moment which I fitted 4 years ago and despite my best efforts the lips have gone horrible on them. I'm also due another set of tires and the set on the RC's are almost new so it makes sense to spend a little on hubs and drilling VS a lot on refurbishing old LM reps and new tires.
I'll update the thread if (read : when) I make the leap.....unless anyone else chimes in with hubs which already exist that I can just swap.......here's hoping!
Post by: mkmg76 on January 13, 2017, 02:41:51 pm
Post by: mkmg76 on January 13, 2017, 02:42:39 pm
Post by: mkmg76 on January 13, 2017, 02:43:45 pm
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Post by: pudding on January 13, 2017, 03:31:43 pm
I don't know if it's because your car is white, but they almost look as if they could do with being 19s for a bit more presence :smiley:
Post by: pudding on January 13, 2017, 03:35:59 pm
If they have hub/bearing inserts like the MK5/6, you could be onto a winner!
Post by: rich83 on January 13, 2017, 03:50:28 pm
Nice :happy2:
I don't know if it's because your car is white, but they almost look as if they could do with being 19s for a bit more presence :smiley:
The design of LMs do make them look small... odd I know
Post by: mkmg76 on January 13, 2017, 04:29:44 pm
Just had a quick browse on this site and noticed the Audi S1 and 'new beetle' are both 5 x 100 - https://www.wheel-size.com/pcd/5x100/
If they have hub/bearing inserts like the MK5/6, you could be onto a winner!
Excellent, thanks for that mate. I'll get looking on the system this side and see if they match up bar the PCD.
Nice :happy2:
I don't know if it's because your car is white, but they almost look as if they could do with being 19s for a bit more presence :smiley:
I agree mate, they do look a touch small but the roads around where I live would not really be what you'd call 19" friendly and I like to drive my car, not pussyfoot around like some of the posers out there! :confused:
I don't have a side on picture but the don't look as small from that angle. It's one of the reasons I have such a soft spot for the RC's, the design of the spokes running almost all the way out to the lip makes them look much bigger than they are.
Post by: pudding on January 13, 2017, 06:09:33 pm
Just had a quick browse on this site and noticed the Audi S1 and 'new beetle' are both 5 x 100 - https://www.wheel-size.com/pcd/5x100/
If they have hub/bearing inserts like the MK5/6, you could be onto a winner!
Excellent, thanks for that mate. I'll get looking on the system this side and see if they match up bar the PCD.Nice :happy2:
I don't know if it's because your car is white, but they almost look as if they could do with being 19s for a bit more presence :smiley:
I agree mate, they do look a touch small but the roads around where I live would not really be what you'd call 19" friendly and I like to drive my car, not pussyfoot around like some of the posers out there! :confused:
I don't have a side on picture but the don't look as small from that angle. It's one of the reasons I have such a soft spot for the RC's, the design of the spokes running almost all the way out to the lip makes them look much bigger than they are.
Fingers crossed those cars use the same setup!
Where abouts in Ireland are you mate? I was driving around the Cork area about 10 years ago and I agree, the roads are 'interesting' :grin: Slammed cars wouldn't do so well on the bumps!
Good luck with the project :happy2:
Post by: AJP on January 13, 2017, 07:15:39 pm
There was a guy on ukmkivs (back int day) who had a nice little trade going refurbing and selling RCs, and only RCs, such was the demand.
There is (was) a wider version of the RC, with much more dish to the spokes. Might have been 8.5", possibly more. It was a thing of beauty! I honestly can't remember what it came off or whether BBS just sold it aftermarket, but I do remember seeing a few pics of a US mk4 with them on the rear (probably on air or something) and being completely infatuated. With a wheel.
Anyway, I like this idea. OEM, rare, and a classic. Best of luck getting it to work!
Post by: mkmg76 on January 15, 2017, 11:45:48 pm
Just had a quick browse on this site and noticed the Audi S1 and 'new beetle' are both 5 x 100 - https://www.wheel-size.com/pcd/5x100/
If they have hub/bearing inserts like the MK5/6, you could be onto a winner!
Excellent, thanks for that mate. I'll get looking on the system this side and see if they match up bar the PCD.Nice :happy2:
I don't know if it's because your car is white, but they almost look as if they could do with being 19s for a bit more presence :smiley:
I agree mate, they do look a touch small but the roads around where I live would not really be what you'd call 19" friendly and I like to drive my car, not pussyfoot around like some of the posers out there! :confused:
I don't have a side on picture but the don't look as small from that angle. It's one of the reasons I have such a soft spot for the RC's, the design of the spokes running almost all the way out to the lip makes them look much bigger than they are.
Fingers crossed those cars use the same setup!
Where abouts in Ireland are you mate? I was driving around the Cork area about 10 years ago and I agree, the roads are 'interesting' :grin: Slammed cars wouldn't do so well on the bumps!
Good luck with the project :happy2:
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I drove past an Anni a few days ago. It was a nice reminder of how good a sorted mk4 could look. And yes, RCs are a stunning wheel.
There was a guy on ukmkivs (back int day) who had a nice little trade going refurbing and selling RCs, and only RCs, such was the demand.
There is (was) a wider version of the RC, with much more dish to the spokes. Might have been 8.5", possibly more. It was a thing of beauty! I honestly can't remember what it came off or whether BBS just sold it aftermarket, but I do remember seeing a few pics of a US mk4 with them on the rear (probably on air or something) and being completely infatuated. With a wheel.
Anyway, I like this idea. OEM, rare, and a classic. Best of luck getting it to work!
I'm in Meath but the roads when you get off the motorways no matter if you're anywhere from Cork to Donegal are all fairly similar, designed as a world rally stage from the off! :grin: You need proper suspension if you're planning on tackling them with any kind of speed!
Unfortunately the hubs are not the same :( The VW items bolt in with 4 bolts but the Audi items appear to be an interference fit and possibly held on by the hub bolt on the end of the driveshaft......open to correction on that but definitely different.
Looks like it will be an engineering solution!
I've just finished renovating a house and have a 9 week old addition to the family so funds are tight as you can imagine but I am set on doing this, as has been mentioned, it's that clean/borderline tuned OEM look i'm after and I think the RC's are the wheel for the job.
Thanks for all the well wishes and i'll update when I have the hubs drilled/tapped.
Pics for comparison on bearings/hubs.
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Post by: pudding on January 17, 2017, 09:27:38 am
Post by: KieranM on January 17, 2017, 10:32:19 am
I drove past an Anni a few days ago. It was a nice reminder of how good a sorted mk4 could look. And yes, RCs are a stunning wheel.
There was a guy on ukmkivs (back int day) who had a nice little trade going refurbing and selling RCs, and only RCs, such was the demand.
There is (was) a wider version of the RC, with much more dish to the spokes. Might have been 8.5", possibly more. It was a thing of beauty! I honestly can't remember what it came off or whether BBS just sold it aftermarket, but I do remember seeing a few pics of a US mk4 with them on the rear (probably on air or something) and being completely infatuated. With a wheel.
Anyway, I like this idea. OEM, rare, and a classic. Best of luck getting it to work!
Im pretty sure the concave ones are BBS RC302, they are a very nice wheel and look amazing on a e36 BMW
Post by: Ryan#1684 on January 17, 2017, 12:36:25 pm
The RC306 is 5x112 8" wide with ET32 compared to the RC336 5x100 7.5" wide ET38. So the RC306 should fill the arches better too :happy2:
Post by: AJP on January 17, 2017, 12:54:33 pm
Yeah that looks like them. Dishy goodness....I drove past an Anni a few days ago. It was a nice reminder of how good a sorted mk4 could look. And yes, RCs are a stunning wheel.
There was a guy on ukmkivs (back int day) who had a nice little trade going refurbing and selling RCs, and only RCs, such was the demand.
There is (was) a wider version of the RC, with much more dish to the spokes. Might have been 8.5", possibly more. It was a thing of beauty! I honestly can't remember what it came off or whether BBS just sold it aftermarket, but I do remember seeing a few pics of a US mk4 with them on the rear (probably on air or something) and being completely infatuated. With a wheel.
Anyway, I like this idea. OEM, rare, and a classic. Best of luck getting it to work!
Im pretty sure the concave ones are BBS RC302, they are a very nice wheel and look amazing on a e36 BMW
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170117%2F8de3f395ffd5787a132bd6c89ddd843e.jpg&hash=4a84c405edeffdd1cae9735f826ceca23c39ecb3)
Post by: pudding on January 17, 2017, 01:20:39 pm
Post by: mkmg76 on January 17, 2017, 03:28:09 pm
Yeah that looks like them. Dishy goodness....I drove past an Anni a few days ago. It was a nice reminder of how good a sorted mk4 could look. And yes, RCs are a stunning wheel.
There was a guy on ukmkivs (back int day) who had a nice little trade going refurbing and selling RCs, and only RCs, such was the demand.
There is (was) a wider version of the RC, with much more dish to the spokes. Might have been 8.5", possibly more. It was a thing of beauty! I honestly can't remember what it came off or whether BBS just sold it aftermarket, but I do remember seeing a few pics of a US mk4 with them on the rear (probably on air or something) and being completely infatuated. With a wheel.
Anyway, I like this idea. OEM, rare, and a classic. Best of luck getting it to work!
Im pretty sure the concave ones are BBS RC302, they are a very nice wheel and look amazing on a e36 BMW
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170117%2F8de3f395ffd5787a132bd6c89ddd843e.jpg&hash=4a84c405edeffdd1cae9735f826ceca23c39ecb3)
Was thinking they must look very similar to the CSL wheel by your description. Gorgeous wheel. :happy2:
Post by: mkmg76 on January 17, 2017, 03:51:30 pm
You need to search the internet for a set of BBS RC 306's rather than the RC 336 that was fitted to the mk4 Anniversary.
The RC306 is 5x112 8" wide with ET32 compared to the RC336 5x100 7.5" wide ET38. So the RC306 should fill the arches better too :happy2:
I already have the wheels mate, there's enough money sitting here in wheels, tires, adapters and soon hubs and drilling without buying a whole other set of rims!! Although if anyone has a set they'd like to swap, I'm interested! :laugh:
Post by: AJP on January 17, 2017, 04:10:29 pm
Yeah they're not a million miles away from CSL wheels. It's that classic Y-spoke design. BBS LM, CH-R, RC.... they're classics for a reason, because they're bloody gorgeous.Yeah that looks like them. Dishy goodness....I drove past an Anni a few days ago. It was a nice reminder of how good a sorted mk4 could look. And yes, RCs are a stunning wheel.
There was a guy on ukmkivs (back int day) who had a nice little trade going refurbing and selling RCs, and only RCs, such was the demand.
There is (was) a wider version of the RC, with much more dish to the spokes. Might have been 8.5", possibly more. It was a thing of beauty! I honestly can't remember what it came off or whether BBS just sold it aftermarket, but I do remember seeing a few pics of a US mk4 with them on the rear (probably on air or something) and being completely infatuated. With a wheel.
Anyway, I like this idea. OEM, rare, and a classic. Best of luck getting it to work!
Im pretty sure the concave ones are BBS RC302, they are a very nice wheel and look amazing on a e36 BMW
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170117%2F8de3f395ffd5787a132bd6c89ddd843e.jpg&hash=4a84c405edeffdd1cae9735f826ceca23c39ecb3)
Was thinking they must look very similar to the CSL wheel by your description. Gorgeous wheel. :happy2:
One wheel I'd love to run, with a big drop to do them justice, is Work VSXX. Apologies for thread drift, but......
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Post by: mkmg76 on January 17, 2017, 04:12:50 pm
Yeah they're not a million miles away from CSL wheels. It's that classic Y-spoke design. BBS LM, CH-R, RC.... they're classics for a reason, because they're bloody gorgeous.Yeah that looks like them. Dishy goodness....I drove past an Anni a few days ago. It was a nice reminder of how good a sorted mk4 could look. And yes, RCs are a stunning wheel.
There was a guy on ukmkivs (back int day) who had a nice little trade going refurbing and selling RCs, and only RCs, such was the demand.
There is (was) a wider version of the RC, with much more dish to the spokes. Might have been 8.5", possibly more. It was a thing of beauty! I honestly can't remember what it came off or whether BBS just sold it aftermarket, but I do remember seeing a few pics of a US mk4 with them on the rear (probably on air or something) and being completely infatuated. With a wheel.
Anyway, I like this idea. OEM, rare, and a classic. Best of luck getting it to work!
Im pretty sure the concave ones are BBS RC302, they are a very nice wheel and look amazing on a e36 BMW
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170117%2F8de3f395ffd5787a132bd6c89ddd843e.jpg&hash=4a84c405edeffdd1cae9735f826ceca23c39ecb3)
Was thinking they must look very similar to the CSL wheel by your description. Gorgeous wheel. :happy2:
One wheel I'd love to run, with a big drop to do them justice, is Work VSXX. Apologies for thread drift, but......
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170117%2F70eda91449eedefdfbff59293c05eb00.jpg&hash=813ddeb4c230576dff8ce70c77dd3260c648eed9)
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Never an apology required for photos like that! Beautiful wheel/car. :happy2:
Post by: AJP on January 17, 2017, 04:16:38 pm
Bit special aren't they! If I could find a wheel like the VSXX that didn't cost the earth and wasn't too heavy, in 19", I'd be all over it. Stunning.Yeah they're not a million miles away from CSL wheels. It's that classic Y-spoke design. BBS LM, CH-R, RC.... they're classics for a reason, because they're bloody gorgeous.Yeah that looks like them. Dishy goodness....I drove past an Anni a few days ago. It was a nice reminder of how good a sorted mk4 could look. And yes, RCs are a stunning wheel.
There was a guy on ukmkivs (back int day) who had a nice little trade going refurbing and selling RCs, and only RCs, such was the demand.
There is (was) a wider version of the RC, with much more dish to the spokes. Might have been 8.5", possibly more. It was a thing of beauty! I honestly can't remember what it came off or whether BBS just sold it aftermarket, but I do remember seeing a few pics of a US mk4 with them on the rear (probably on air or something) and being completely infatuated. With a wheel.
Anyway, I like this idea. OEM, rare, and a classic. Best of luck getting it to work!
Im pretty sure the concave ones are BBS RC302, they are a very nice wheel and look amazing on a e36 BMW
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170117%2F8de3f395ffd5787a132bd6c89ddd843e.jpg&hash=4a84c405edeffdd1cae9735f826ceca23c39ecb3)
Was thinking they must look very similar to the CSL wheel by your description. Gorgeous wheel. :happy2:
One wheel I'd love to run, with a big drop to do them justice, is Work VSXX. Apologies for thread drift, but......
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170117%2F70eda91449eedefdfbff59293c05eb00.jpg&hash=813ddeb4c230576dff8ce70c77dd3260c648eed9)
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Never an apology required for photos like that! Beautiful wheel/car. :happy2:
Post by: mkmg76 on January 17, 2017, 04:27:11 pm
That's a shame! I wonder if you could press the 5x100 portion into the back of the 5x112 section? What I mean by that is every time you knock an old bearing out that got stuck in a MK5 bearing housing, half of the bearing pops out! Just thinking if that happens, it must be easy to press in / out the relevant parts into the ball races?
I was thinking that, have to grab both bearings and compare!
Post by: pudding on January 17, 2017, 04:32:46 pm
Yeah they're not a million miles away from CSL wheels. It's that classic Y-spoke design. BBS LM, CH-R, RC.... they're classics for a reason, because they're bloody gorgeous.Yeah that looks like them. Dishy goodness....I drove past an Anni a few days ago. It was a nice reminder of how good a sorted mk4 could look. And yes, RCs are a stunning wheel.
There was a guy on ukmkivs (back int day) who had a nice little trade going refurbing and selling RCs, and only RCs, such was the demand.
There is (was) a wider version of the RC, with much more dish to the spokes. Might have been 8.5", possibly more. It was a thing of beauty! I honestly can't remember what it came off or whether BBS just sold it aftermarket, but I do remember seeing a few pics of a US mk4 with them on the rear (probably on air or something) and being completely infatuated. With a wheel.
Anyway, I like this idea. OEM, rare, and a classic. Best of luck getting it to work!
Im pretty sure the concave ones are BBS RC302, they are a very nice wheel and look amazing on a e36 BMW
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Was thinking they must look very similar to the CSL wheel by your description. Gorgeous wheel. :happy2:
One wheel I'd love to run, with a big drop to do them justice, is Work VSXX. Apologies for thread drift, but......
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Not feeling those so much. Might be a combination of it being a 5 door and the ride height being too low for my tastes, but I do love a bit of classic Y action.
You can always rely on a set of Classic BBS to bring out the wheel nerds :grin:
Post by: mkmg76 on January 17, 2017, 04:54:30 pm
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They are gorgeous, only issue i'd have with them would be keeping the lips shining..........I have experience in this area, my MK1 and my old MK2 both had BBS RM's and they're a full time job to keep looking respectable!!
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Plus despite my best efforts I couldn't keep the LM replicas clean so I'm reluctant to get another set of polished lip wheels. (As gorgeous as those are!).
Post by: AJP on January 17, 2017, 05:31:41 pm
To be fair the BBS VZ I've got on now are really nice. Treated them to a good application of wax when I bought them and they come up nicely with minimal effort. They're just a bit popular, seems every other mk5 is on a CH/VZ/Pescara. Maybe one day I'll find some cheap CH-R!
Post by: mkmg76 on January 17, 2017, 05:48:00 pm
Yeah you're right, you have to be commited to keeping anything with a polished lip in good nick. I suppose one option is keeping that kind of wheel as a summer/show wheel but I don't think I'm taking the car too far in that direction.
To be fair the BBS VZ I've got on now are really nice. Treated them to a good application of wax when I bought them and they come up nicely with minimal effort. They're just a bit popular, seems every other mk5 is on a CH/VZ/Pescara. Maybe one day I'll find some cheap CH-R!
I like the CH-R but as you say yourself, every other golf seems to be on CH or a variation of and it's getting a bit old...........at least for me anyway. Don't shoot! :fighting:
Post by: AJP on January 17, 2017, 05:50:15 pm
You've definitely got the right idea with the RCs. Quite looking forward to seeing if you can get them to fit.
Post by: mkmg76 on January 26, 2017, 03:28:21 pm
Just need to source the other 3 and get them in to be drilled/tapped.
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Post by: pudding on January 26, 2017, 04:56:16 pm
Post by: mkmg76 on January 26, 2017, 05:26:21 pm
Aha, nice one! Tonnes of meat on that hub as suspected......apart from one bolt :smiley: Are you going to get that one plug welded and retapped, or does the machine shop think there's enough thread support for the bolt?
They felt that it shouldn't be a problem due to the inherent strength in circles because.........(this is where I glazed over :signLOL: )
They basically said that the steel is level 2 hardened (whatever that means!) in the hub and they wouldn't be worried in the slightest. All good so far then. The other front isn't a problem as we have plenty here in work in F.A.G. but the rear is a problem. If you look at the attached picture, you can see that the genuine VW item is thicker around the bolt holes on the rear and thinner until it hits the next hole.
Obvious issue is that the thinner area is where I want to drill the new holes and less depth = less threads. We are talking about wheels here and therefore my neck! I have found a brand who makes a bearing which is uniform thickness all the way around but of course, we don't stock that brand! So i'm on the hunt for rear hubs. Ebay has turned up a couple of results so I'll be investigating those further. So close and yet so far!!
VW Genuine Item:
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Bendix brand :
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Post by: pudding on January 27, 2017, 09:29:12 am
I would never have known that about the rear hubs! Typical VW penny pinching! Is that the same Bendix who make washing machines? :grin: Should do the trick perfectly!
Should be good. I'm sure I remember the 18" RC being around 8.5kg, compared to 11kg for the Pescera. Nice little weight saving!
Post by: mkmg76 on January 27, 2017, 10:18:21 am
Brilliant, half way there :happy2:
I would never have known that about the rear hubs! Typical VW penny pinching! Is that the same Bendix who make washing machines? :grin: Should do the trick perfectly!
Should be good. I'm sure I remember the 18" RC being around 8.5kg, compared to 11kg for the Pescera. Nice little weight saving!
Who knows mate, may be the washing machine crowd! As long as the bearing works, they could make cakes for all I care!! :signLOL:
Yeah, I was sickened when I saw the rear bearing. We have it in stock in F.A.G. and I noticed the reduction in material between the bolt holes so I went on to partslink to get the VW number, called my local dealer and asked him to double check, by chance he happened to have one in stock and it was identical. :doh:
After a quick scan on TecDoc I was able to see that Bendix did the bearing above with uniform material thickness the whole way around, a friend of mine works in a different suppliers who stock that brand so asked him to grab me 2..............of course......only 1 in stock and 3 weeks until the next stock order lands! Can't win!!
At least I know it can be done and looks like it will be 100% effective and SAFE more importantly! I'll keep updating as things progress. :happy2:
Post by: mkmg76 on February 09, 2017, 05:25:14 pm
Also bought a set of highline clocks from a nice guy and member on here (V4RLEY I think his user name is) so depending on time (and patience) I'd like to get them fitted too. We'll see!
Post by: AJP on February 09, 2017, 07:52:17 pm
Post by: pudding on February 10, 2017, 06:15:51 pm
Post by: mkmg76 on February 12, 2017, 05:19:51 pm
Get on with it already :laugh:
Got started over the weekend, unfortunately with only a driveway I only managed to get the front bearings fitted before the weather got in the way. Still progress is progress!
However, ran into more small issues, even though the discs are double drilled and have 10 holes, the holes are all the same PCD :confused:
So........discs added to the parts list before the wheels can go on! Not content with throwing me that problem, the car decided that with the calipers removed the next problem could rear its ugly head, 1 pad on both sides had the friction material separated from the steel backing and the pistons on both sides were almost seized! Lots of WD40 and pushing the piston back and forth with someone working the pedal sorted the calipers out and a new set of pads finished the job. :happy2:
With the bearing fitment stopped due to the weather, I got on with the other mod I'd been hoping to get done and fitted a highline dash. :jumpmove: This is the first time i've taken on anything like this so was dubious about taking it on but swallowed a couple of brave pills and got on with it.......worked out well but sorting the errors out afterwards was tricky. The guide on here was fantastic but to someone new to the world of VCDS and VAG-Commander I couldn't really get my head around what I needed to do at first. The guide links you to the ROSSTECH site with a ton of info but doesn't tell you that you only need to follow the BASIC settings rather than work out what the codes should add up to. (Unless I missed something which is entirely possible!!) :signLOL:
Anyway, couple of pics:
Old bearing out and new one ready to go in;
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One of the offending pads.
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And my new Highline clocks!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fa623%2Fmichael_maguire1%2FIMG_2931_zpsrcpvhhxw.jpg&hash=855842201b34f9d43eb506f898d9fa3265fa747f)
So, hopefully, I can organise 4 new discs through work of the correct sizes but with MK4 PCD and get to fitting them with the rear bearings next weekend and then finally the RC's! Won't be long now!! :jumping:
Post by: mkmg76 on February 13, 2017, 12:00:18 pm
Post by: pudding on February 13, 2017, 01:52:54 pm
Strange that the discs have 2 drillings but the same PCD! I seem to remember the 5x100 312mm discs having different offsets depending on model, so I hope that works out for you! In theory MK4 GTI ones should be right.
Getting there, slowly but surely!
Post by: mkmg76 on February 13, 2017, 04:09:50 pm
Hi mate, I don't work at a dealer, no. I sometimes wish I did though, and that way the parts I order for myself would be the correct ones!!
Strange that the discs have 2 drillings but the same PCD! I seem to remember the 5x100 312mm discs having different offsets depending on model, so I hope that works out for you! In theory MK4 GTI ones should be right.
Getting there, slowly but surely!
I thought so too but there's a critical difference.....they're identical apart from one measurement.
If you lay both discs flat on a bench the MK5's are taller by 15mm in the centre where the bolt holes are. :confused:
So when fitted they wont allow the caliper to bolt on.............unless I add 15mm spacers of some kind between the caliper and the hub along with longer bolts. More hassle. :sad1:
Post by: pudding on February 14, 2017, 01:13:11 pm
What a pain in the back side! Looks like you might have to do some welding/redrilling on MK5 discs, or get some custom 2 pieces discs made up. I wouldn't be entertaining spacers on the calipers personally, although it might be OK if you don't punish the brakes regularly.
Post by: mkmg76 on February 14, 2017, 02:51:35 pm
Ah so the MK5 discs are more inboard, or deeper offset. Thought that may be the case :doh:
What a pain in the back side! Looks like you might have to do some welding/redrilling on MK5 discs, or get some custom 2 pieces discs made up. I wouldn't be entertaining spacers on the calipers personally, although it might be OK if you don't punish the brakes regularly.
I thought spacers would be a bad idea alright but I was thinking more along the lines of the type of alloy bracket you see for brake adapter kits. I've been searching the online systems of several manufacturers all day today and yesterday and I THINK I may have a disc for the front which will get me out of trouble.
The discs on the MK5 as mentioned are drilled with 9 holes preventing me from drilling the 5x100 PCD unless they're welded, drilled and then spun on a lathe to ensure that they run true when fitted.
Using the comparison on the Delphi site I was able to find discs that are extremely close in spec and have only 5 holes allowing drilling to the desired PCD.
If you ever need to use it, here's a link : http://www.delphicat.com/WebForms/frmDelphiHome.aspx#1487083197269
The Disc numbers if you'd like to take a look at the specs are : BG3953 (standard) and BG4079 (supplementary).
You can also search by size without part numbers and set the tolerance to a desired percentage to see what results come back.
The rears are proving to be more of a problem however, I've found a set that should do the job but they wont fit over the bearing hubs. That may be overcome by turning the bearing hubs in a lathe and reducing their overall diameter to fit inside the discs.
It's getting to a point of being sorry I started!! :signLOL:
Post by: mkmg76 on March 12, 2017, 09:42:38 pm
Got stuck in to sort this out once and for all over the weekend and had some success. :jumping:
So, with the issues mentioned with my discs not fitting the bolt holes on the hubs I had to get a little creative. I bought a set of tungsten carbide burrs and set to work. These were excellent and great value for money. eBay link:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172310725610?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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So, new bearing fitted with the extra 5 holes required for the new rims.
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First of 20 holes which required elongating to cover the 5X100 holes. I must be mental...all of this for wheels!! :signLOL:
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First one checked for fitment.
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45 minutes and a lot of drilling later.........first disc finished. :phew:
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Several hours and a ton of drilling/burring later : :jumping: SUCCESS!!!!
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To say i'm over the moon with the transformation is an understatement. IMO these are the wheels VW should've put on the MK5 from day 1.
Comments welcome! :happy2:
Post by: prp74 on March 12, 2017, 10:02:33 pm
Wheels look stunning on the mk5 :happy2:
Post by: MIJ_JAGGER on March 12, 2017, 10:16:58 pm
Post by: AJP on March 12, 2017, 10:23:03 pm
[Googles BBS RC 5x112.....]
Post by: pudding on March 13, 2017, 09:18:06 am
Any balancing issues from elongating the disc holes?
These any good @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/142310711391?lpid=122&chn=ps&adgroupid=13585920426&rlsatarget=aud-133395220866%3Apla-75952154106&adtype=pla&poi=&googleloc=1006826&device=c&campaignid=207297426&crdt=0
Post by: AJP on March 13, 2017, 09:50:14 am
Yeah they look great, well worth the effort :happy2:Yep... I saw those yesterday! Think I'll be sticking with my VZs for now though. There's things the car needs more than new wheels. Maybe one day.
Any balancing issues from elongating the disc holes?
These any good @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/142310711391?lpid=122&chn=ps&adgroupid=13585920426&rlsatarget=aud-133395220866%3Apla-75952154106&adtype=pla&poi=&googleloc=1006826&device=c&campaignid=207297426&crdt=0
Post by: mkmg76 on March 13, 2017, 10:53:53 am
Congratulations mate. Great work :congrats:
Wheels look stunning on the mk5 :happy2:
Absolutely brilliant. Top work sir
Beautiful. Your hard work was worth it.
[Googles BBS RC 5x112.....]
Yeah they look great, well worth the effort :happy2:
Any balancing issues from elongating the disc holes?
These any good @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/142310711391?lpid=122&chn=ps&adgroupid=13585920426&rlsatarget=aud-133395220866%3Apla-75952154106&adtype=pla&poi=&googleloc=1006826&device=c&campaignid=207297426&crdt=0
Yeah they look great, well worth the effort :happy2:Yep... I saw those yesterday! Think I'll be sticking with my VZs for now though. There's things the car needs more than new wheels. Maybe one day.
Any balancing issues from elongating the disc holes?
These any good @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/142310711391?lpid=122&chn=ps&adgroupid=13585920426&rlsatarget=aud-133395220866%3Apla-75952154106&adtype=pla&poi=&googleloc=1006826&device=c&campaignid=207297426&crdt=0
Thanks for all the kind words folks, was a bit of a task but glad I got there in the end and I think the end results are excellent. Can't stop looking out the window at it in work! :signLOL:
Those RC's are cheap. There's a guy in Germany with a fully refurbed set looking 1600 plus about 500 shipping. If these had been available when I was starting out, I would've snapped them up and sold my own rims, would've saved me a ton of trouble and 4 months tooling around!!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201683190180?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Thankfully no issues with balancing, I was more concerned with side effects of the brakes maybe not working correctly, i.e., the disc shifting forward under braking but so far so good. :happy2:
I'm considering drilling a hole for a retaining screw like the OE option as changing a wheel may be a serious pain some day. Other than that though, it's job done for now!