MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: OllieVRS on March 24, 2022, 11:26:30 pm
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Looking into getting a cold air intake for my 06 tfsi Octy purely for the cool sounds.
Any recommendations?
Preferably can be ordered from the EU as I live in Ireland, with the only exception being Amazon UK.
The easiest one for me to buy would be the Ramair one off Amazon, either the normal or oversized one.
Cheers
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I've got the Revo intake on my Ed30 and it's loud, a bit annoying to live with tbh. The Revo is known as the best intake for these engines and ebay often have 10/15/20% off coupons that bring the cost down, I paid something like £240 for mine when there was a 20% off deal running.
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The unfortunate thing about intakes is they are a good chunk of cash, few people have tried different types, difficult to know what one is best.
Plus I've not found any same day/dyno back to back testing of multiple intakes on the Mk5.
A few before and after YT vids, but they tend to US based...where their dyno figures are optimistic!
I have a Neuspeed one I got used, one continuous diameter of alloy tube with silicone at the turbo & a cone at the intake, I am happy with, especially as it got rid of the engine cover & the price was right!
Personally, I am not keen on one of the Ramair kits that is a meccano kit of multiple parts, with a reduction in diameter just before the MAF, high potential of turbulence where you don't want it.
That kit looks to me like it's designed more for convenience of postage than performance - but as mentioned there is no back to back testing to confirm or disprove this.
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i've got an MST Part enclosed unit for sale. Great bit of kit, not LOUD when poodling around, and a lovely ROAR when on WOT. :driver:
Was over £300 and only on my ED30 for 1k miles, but i removed it for a Revo intake due to going STG3 Hybrid Turbo and needed the Revo kit for the additional MAF scaling required. Selling for £120 :happy2:
https://mst-performance.co.uk/mst-vw-mk501-air-filter-induction-intake-kit/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpfyhts_h9gIVkO7tCh0k-gAKEAQYAyABEgLXffD_BwE
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I have the Revo kit on my Ed30. Pleased with it (sound and quality). Only downside was lack of mid- point support bracket (otherwise a lot of weight resting on the intake silicone hose and a single bolt to the cam cover et). I ended up fabricating my own mount braced off the rear engine cover bracket. IMO it’s only worth buying on discount / Black Friday deal etc.
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I posted this a while ago for the RamAir intake. Was surprised that the improvement was that much, although some of the comments question whether the bonnet was closed for the first run.
I have the standard sized RamAir intake and am happy with it. To me it looks much better in the bay than the oversized kit. Stage 1 GTI, doubt the bigger intake would give me more power.
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That kit looks to me like it's designed more for convenience of postage than performance - but as mentioned there is no back to back testing to confirm or disprove this.
Is that the one that has 14 jubilee clamps or whatever?
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That kit looks to me like it's designed more for convenience of postage than performance - but as mentioned there is no back to back testing to confirm or disprove this.
Is that the one that has 14 jubilee clamps or whatever?
I suspect that is the RamAir oversized kit. I count 9 clamps. This is the kit with the big step.
The standard RamAir kit has 6 clamps and a much smoother flow. I think one of the silicone sections (2 clamps) could have been removed, which would definitely have made for a cleaner look. That probably was a packaging decision.
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Evoms.
3 jubilee clips..
Fuelling fine..
No hard engine mount to snap.
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Wow way more replies than I expected, thanks guys!
i've got an MST Part enclosed unit for sale. Great bit of kit, not LOUD when poodling around, and a lovely ROAR when on WOT. :driver:
Was over £300 and only on my ED30 for 1k miles, but i removed it for a Revo intake due to going STG3 Hybrid Turbo and needed the Revo kit for the additional MAF scaling required. Selling for £120 :happy2:
https://mst-performance.co.uk/mst-vw-mk501-air-filter-induction-intake-kit/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpfyhts_h9gIVkO7tCh0k-gAKEAQYAyABEgLXffD_BwE
I'd definitely buy it off you, were it not for the fact I live in the Republic of Ireland meaning shipping it here would be a nightmare, correctly declaring the value, customs duty, and probably stuck for 3 weeks in customs etc.
I posted this a while ago for the RamAir intake. Was surprised that the improvement was that much, although some of the comments question whether the bonnet was closed for the first run.
I have the standard sized RamAir intake and am happy with it. To me it looks much better in the bay than the oversized kit. Stage 1 GTI, doubt the bigger intake would give me more power.
I love the turbo flutter in this video. 90% of the reason I'm considering buying an intake is for the sound, the other 10% is for a remap down the road.
Since you have the standard sized one, does yours still sound similar to the one in the video?
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Yes it sounds very similar, I really like the noise it makes. You can drive around the noise by changing early if you don’t want to make too much noise.
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I've gained 12-20 bhp just by replacing my stock intake with a VWR/Racingline panel filter with a VWR/Racingline intake. Same dyno with very good cooling, so very similar results between runs. When I added an octane booster I made +20 bhp than with the octane booster with the stock airbox.
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I've gained 12-20 bhp just by replacing my stock intake with a VWR/Racingline panel filter with a VWR/Racingline intake. Same dyno with very good cooling, so very similar results between runs. When I added an octane booster I made +20 bhp than with the octane booster with the stock airbox.
Thanks for the reply :happy2:
So let me get this straight: You got 12hp+ comparing the stock intake (already with the VWR/Racingline panel filter installed) and then changing to a VWR/R intake on 95 octane? And then added octane booster for another 8hp to bring the total to 20hp over the stock airbox with the VWR/R panel filter?
I'm asking as in the Republic of Ireland all we get is 95 octane, so I have to add ~75ml of Miller's Petrol Power Ecomax (from the multishot bottle) to bring it up to 98 octane.
Also as for the cost of those two, the filter is €70+ and I can't find the intake kit for under €500. This may be a stupid question, but did the panel filter make the same induction/turbo noises that the intake kit makes? Those noises are 90% of the reason I want to upgrade the intake.
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The panels won’t give you the noise buddy. From everything you have said it sounds like you need an intake kit. :happy2:
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I've gained 12-20 bhp just by replacing my stock intake with a VWR/Racingline panel filter with a VWR/Racingline intake. Same dyno with very good cooling, so very similar results between runs. When I added an octane booster I made +20 bhp than with the octane booster with the stock airbox.
Thanks for the reply :happy2:
So let me get this straight: You got 12hp+ comparing the stock intake (already with the VWR/Racingline panel filter installed) and then changing to a VWR/R intake on 95 octane? And then added octane booster for another 8hp to bring the total to 20hp over the stock airbox with the VWR/R panel filter?
I'm asking as in the Republic of Ireland all we get is 95 octane, so I have to add ~75ml of Miller's Petrol Power Ecomax (from the multishot bottle) to bring it up to 98 octane.
Also as for the cost of those two, the filter is €70+ and I can't find the intake kit for under €500. This may be a stupid question, but did the panel filter make the same induction/turbo noises that the intake kit makes? Those noises are 90% of the reason I want to upgrade the intake.
I get 98 RON in Portugal. The octane booster can increase about 2 RON. I got my intake for about €450, during sales periods it has been sold cheaper. Nowadays everything is more expensive, so I don't know what's the current price. The panel filters won't increase the intake noises, just a cold air intake, more if it's an open intake.
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€195 Ramair standard sized intake kit it is then. It's a shame there aren't any more options at this price range though. I couldn't justify spending much more money than that if I'm only after the cool sounds.
Thanks for the advice though, I'll post some pictures once I buy it and get it installed.
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@OllieVRS (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=102740) Iv got a over size ram air induction kit going up for sale soon , it’s about a year old if your interested pm me
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You will definitely gain more power at the top end with any intake, that's a given, it's simple physics.
As with all of them, it depends what they do to the torque 'under the curve' and what your tolerance level is for the extra noise they make.
I've tried the Revo and the RacingLine intakes and didn't like either of them. Horses for courses really but I find the noise they make embarrassing and both of them seemed to blunt the bottom end response a bit. Some folk may not notice it, but I did as it's a daily driver.
My favourites are the HG MotorSport, but that was like £600, and the Volant, but that's American and not the easiest to get hold of.
If you just want noise, get anything!
If I was to get into all of that again, I would get someone to 3D print a copy of the OEM MAF housing and come up with my own pipework and filter arrangements, but I'm passed all that now :grin:
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Just ordered the standard Ramair intake off Amazon. :smiley:
I'll upload a pic once it's installed.
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The before:
(https://i.postimg.cc/9QYpDyxK/Engine-Stock.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjtDyPfB)
The after:
(https://i.postimg.cc/d1LmNpqc/Engine-Intake.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2bNZVHb0)
I installed the filter with the logo facing away as I wanted it to be less 'in your face'.
As for the sound, it's exactly what I wanted, so thank you for the recommendation @breeze (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=102956) . Lovely sounds from inside the cabin :smiley:. No check engine lights so far after a short test drive to the petrol station either.
Redline Revs on YouTube cut back the silicone elbow where it joins the filter as it wouldn't fit, but I found with a bit of wiggling I could mine in no problem with ~3mm clearance from the coolant pipe and ~5mm clearance from the body of the car (near the bonnet prop thing). I dunno if cutting it back would increase the air flow significantly but this is something I could do in the future.
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Looks just like mine, glad you like it. :smiley:
Next step is to remove the oil filler spout, the oil cap will fit directly to the cam cover. Please remember to stuff a rag into the spout to avoid things falling inside. Ask me how I know. :doh:
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Looks good - the big question is will this get you closer to your mates GttD?
Oil funnel removal really make a big difference, best to do it when the engine is warm as it softens the plastic, the result is this:
(https://i.vgy.me/WfKeKB.jpg)
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That heat shield looks scarily close to the battery +ve terminal…
I must admit, I’ve thought about an induction kit to free the top end up a bit more. After having it remapped it’s obvious it’s strangled at the top end, but then I’m not supposed to be modifying my car… never mind fitting a 3” bore exhaust and a K04 turbo…
And a bit like Pudding says, I find the noise a bit embarrassing, removes some of the class of Golf. Just my view.
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Definitely a marmite thing. 5 minutes down the road after fitting my Revo intake, I instantly regretted it and put the factory box back on a week later :grin: It just sounded sh1t. Unsophisticated, chavvy and annoying. Definitely not worth the small gains past 5000rpm.
The worst thing about intake kits is they completely ruin the factory MAF calibration, but no one seems to care about that.
HP Tuners is now available for TFSI engines, so proper MAF recalibration as part of a DIY remap is possible, and makes a huge difference.
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The oil funnel delete is something I'll look into once I have time again to work on the car. Thanks for the suggestion.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ncmQMJ3W/Capture.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
It's just the angle of that photo that makes them look like they're touching in my previous post.
...And a bit like Pudding says, I find the noise a bit embarrassing, removes some of the class of Golf. Just my view.
That would be true were it not for the fact that it says Octavia on the back of my 'Golf' :grin:. I've already got a poor man's GTI, never had any class to begin with.
Definitely a marmite thing. 5 minutes down the road after fitting my Revo intake, I instantly regretted it and put the factory box back on a week later :grin: It just sounded sh1t. Unsophisticated, chavvy and annoying. Definitely not worth the small gains past 5000rpm.
The worst thing about intake kits is they completely ruin the factory MAF calibration, but no one seems to care about that.
HP Tuners is now available for TFSI engines, so proper MAF recalibration as part of a DIY remap is possible, and makes a huge difference.
From my preliminary tests the turbo chatter is mostly audible from the inside of the car. I had two people tell me what it sounds like from the outside while flooring it past them, someone who knows nothing about cars and the other an average amount.
The former only noted the engine being loud (from the revs) and nothing else, while the latter said it sounded like the 'pssh' the neighbour's A4 1.8t with a blow off valve makes. And this is with the bonnet sound insulation removed.
Unsophisticated? Maybe. Chavvy? probably not if a non-car person doesn't even hear it. But maybe this is as I've got the standard Ramair one and not the oversized one so it's a bit quieter.
And it hasn't gotten annoying yet, driving today I was constantly looking for excuses to drop a gear and floor it just to hear the sound again :smiley:
I've not noticed a drop in performance or MPGs, so I'm not too worried about the MAF for now. I am ready to put the stock engine cover back on if things take a turn for the worse though.
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Give it time. You will soon get sick of it :grin:
I heard the horrendous racket my Revo made bouncing off the walls as I drove alongside them, and my missus immediately noticed the heavy breathing Darth Vader noises.....and she knows less than nothing about cars :grin:
Maybe the RamAir isn't as obnoxious as the Revo but happy you're happy with it. The RacingLine one isn't too noisy either actually.....but still noisy enough to get on my wick after 50-60 miles.
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That would be true were it not for the fact that it says Octavia on the back of my 'Golf' :grin:. I've already got a poor man's GTI, never had any class to begin with.
Ha! I actually wanted a Mk1 Octavia 4x4 estate to build into a 400bhp sleeper, but then I realised I’m too old… and I couldn’t find one. There’s plenty of Mk2’s about.
I actually bought a ram air induction kit for my Mk3 TT as soon as I bought it, that was more for the turbo elbow though as it releases quite a few horses on the EA888 gen3 engine. I did like the sound for a bit but then it just started to get on my nerves.
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Give it time. You will soon get sick of it :grin:
I heard the horrendous racket my Revo made bouncing off the walls as I drove alongside them, and my missus immediately noticed the heavy breathing Darth Vader noises.....and she knows less than nothing about cars :grin:
Maybe the RamAir isn't as obnoxious as the Revo but happy you're happy with it. The RacingLine one isn't too noisy either actually.....but still noisy enough to get on my wick after 50-60 miles.
If the RacingLine intake was too noisy, no open intake would meet your criteria. I can hear it the intake whoosh when pushing, but not much while pottering around. It's the DV+ recirculating that can be more easily heard.
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Another thing I noticed is that the engine's sound itself (not the turbo) as also changed since getting the intake, what I could best describe as being 'more pronounced', as if the sound quality has increased or something. Or maybe it's ever so slightly louder. Or maybe just placebo :stupid:
On a side note, the cone filter must be bouncing of the hot coolant pipe right next to it, as the plastic body of the filter looks like it's melted a tiny bit there.
Speaking of diverter valves, I still have the original diverter valve on the turbo (the rubber seal one), I was offered by the mechanic who rebuilt the turbo a Chinese Rev D one for €50 to 'hold boost better'. I declined his offer after he said there was nothing wrong my current one, and I also wasn't confident the one he was offering was good quality.
I read that the rev D one hold boost a bit worse but is much more reliable, so why would he suggest Rev D has better performance? I'd be more inclined to get the Rev G if I have performance in mind. Is the original diverter valve really that bad?
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Give it time. You will soon get sick of it :grin:
I heard the horrendous racket my Revo made bouncing off the walls as I drove alongside them, and my missus immediately noticed the heavy breathing Darth Vader noises.....and she knows less than nothing about cars :grin:
Maybe the RamAir isn't as obnoxious as the Revo but happy you're happy with it. The RacingLine one isn't too noisy either actually.....but still noisy enough to get on my wick after 50-60 miles.
If the RacingLine intake was too noisy, no open intake would meet your criteria. I can hear it the intake whoosh when pushing, but not much while pottering around. It's the DV+ recirculating that can be more easily heard.
Nope, hence why the standard airbox is back on. An enclosed system like the BMC CDA is a lot quieter than the RacingLine due it's thicker, plastic barrel. The RacingLine barrel is cheap, thin gauge metal and resonates badly.
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Another thing I noticed is that the engine's sound itself (not the turbo) as also changed since getting the intake, what I could best describe as being 'more pronounced', as if the sound quality has increased or something. Or maybe it's ever so slightly louder. Or maybe just placebo :stupid:
On a side note, the cone filter must be bouncing of the hot coolant pipe right next to it, as the plastic body of the filter looks like it's melted a tiny bit there.
Speaking of diverter valves, I still have the original diverter valve on the turbo (the rubber seal one), I was offered by the mechanic who rebuilt the turbo a Chinese Rev D one for €50 to 'hold boost better'. I declined his offer after he said there was nothing wrong my current one, and I also wasn't confident the one he was offering was good quality.
I read that the rev D one hold boost a bit worse but is much more reliable, so why would he suggest Rev D has better performance? I'd be more inclined to get the Rev G if I have performance in mind. Is the original diverter valve really that bad?
Yeah that's normal as the entire induction system has changed.
I've never had any problems with Rev D diverters but the GFB DV+ is the best one to use, but does need periodic maintenance. He's probably recommending it because being plastic, it doesn't split like the A and G. There is no performance advantage between A, D and G but the GFB DV+ does improve off-boost response a bit.
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@Pudding (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) I want to take back what I said earlier about the sound not being so audible from the outside.
I had a friend drive my car in a parking lot while I stood outside and yes, it's absolutely audible, much louder from outside than I had anticipated.
So yes, it's Chavvy, but I still love it :smiley:
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Got the CTS turbo intake in the Tiguan as in the golf...It is only on boost that it makes a nice woooshh :wink:
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@Pudding (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) I want to take back what I said earlier about the sound not being so audible from the outside.
I had a friend drive my car in a parking lot while I stood outside and yes, it's absolutely audible, much louder from outside than I had anticipated.
So yes, it's Chavvy, but I still love it :smiley:
To be fair, the Bugatti Chiron Pur Sport makes all kinds of whooshes, chuffs and pshhhhts, and people love that about it, so consider your car a pint sized Chiron :happy2: :grin: