MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: lazy on July 17, 2024, 08:30:35 pm
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I've had a cam follower on order from TPS for a month. I chased it up yesterday and was told they don't know when they're going to be back in stock, they're waiting to hear from the factory. So I checked Awesome GTI and AKS and they were out of stock also. I'm unsure whether to get an aftermarket one or just wait, but it didn't sound like it was going to be anytime soon. I'm also concerned is there going to be any problems with quality with the new batch, are they maybe changing manufacturers.
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I had one on back order from Awesome GTI. It arrived a couple of weeks ago. Worth back ordering if you can wait a little, as they seem to be able to fill the backorders as stock comes in.
I decided not to go aftermarket with an important component like this.
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You can also use the genuine Hitachi / Huco part as they built the pump
https://aftermarket.hitachiastemo.com/emea/en/news/HPP_EN_EMEA.pdf
Second page, far right
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I've had a cam follower on order from TPS for a month. I chased it up yesterday and was told they don't know when they're going to be back in stock, they're waiting to hear from the factory. So I checked Awesome GTI and AKS and they were out of stock also. I'm unsure whether to get an aftermarket one or just wait, but it didn't sound like it was going to be anytime soon. I'm also concerned is there going to be any problems with quality with the new batch, are they maybe changing manufacturers.
I also have one on order with the local VW dealer since March. Reached to them earlier this week for them to tell me they had no ETA for the part after the original ETA was recalled by HQ :rolleye:
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You can also use the genuine Hitachi / Huco part as they built the pump
https://aftermarket.hitachiastemo.com/emea/en/news/HPP_EN_EMEA.pdf
Second page, far right
That might be the best way to go maybe they have stock.
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INA made the DLC cam followers for VW, which are plentiful in the aftermarket for about 20 quid. Just buy a sht load of them for stock :smiley:
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i've bought a febi bilstein one as i've seen a few youtubers use this. any thoughts about febi?
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Just get one made by INA. Even if you buy one from a VAG dealer...INA might even be on the spec sticker (this was the case for some time. However, I just got a new CF from my local dealer yesterday (Oregon, US), and INA was not on the spec sticker. They might have a new supplier now. Obviously...most parts from a VAG dealer are supplied by other sources. Just need to know which currently supplies, or has supplied them the part you seek. Then perhaps look for it elsewhere. Here, we have a few places, online, selling our parts with a lifetime warranty (ECS Tuning...FCP Euro, etc.). So you buy one and done. But the price diff between genuine (made by INA) and one by INA is this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/N0c0bSfN/a1.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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i've bought a febi bilstein one as i've seen a few youtubers use this. any thoughts about febi?
Febi is not an OE supplier and I would avoid them personally as the quality is sub par. Get the INA one. It's genuine.
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What a saga this cam follower has been for me. I found an INA one on eBay £20. It came in a padded envelope with a crumpled up and torn Schaeffler leaflet and no box. The CF had no markings on to indicate it was INA but I didn't know if they did anyway. I got in touch with the supplier they confirmed it was INA but I wasn't fully happy. So I then thought I won't bother with online unless I'm sure they're reputable, I then spoke to our parts supplier who couldn't get any even Febi was out of stock. Eventually he managed to get me one direct from Febi for £40. I then found another online supplier with INA and they sold stud conversion kits for the bolts on the hpfp. Which you could make yourself for a fraction of the price if you've got a vice, hacksaw, a tiny bit of skill and knowledge, but I'm lazy so I ordered both. The follower came in a little tub soaking in oil, so I didn't open it until I was doing the job. Upon opening I saw some markings inside the CF which looked like a QR code took a picture and carried on. The next day I looked at the picture which turned out to be a Febi logo. I got onto the supplier and he apologised said there was a mix up and would send me a replacement INA one but he has fitted loads of Febi and they're fine.
Also to add to my problems the cam had some light scoring and the oil when I removed the pump smelled a bit petroly and the oil that was inside the breather did also. I then went on a smelling mission, the inside of the pump didn't smell and the oil on the dipstick smelled a bit petroly but I wouldn't say it was more than it should smell but I might just be trying to convince myself all is well and I don't need a hpfp. Definitely need to monitor this. So all in all it's been a right pita.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QN25wJf9/IMG-20240812-174649185.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NLx5rmqB)
(https://i.postimg.cc/7LZT0sZc/IMG-20240812-174721076-MP.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/18btZK6c)
(https://i.postimg.cc/BnsFQQ9J/IMG-20240812-180054219.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kB1GTCgH)
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Also I'd like to thank everyone on here who told me me to do it because I was going to put it off until 100k miles, mainly because I'm lazy but also thought it was people worrying too much online and it getting blown out of proportion.
Anyway glad I've done it now.
Thanks again.
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Also I'd like to thank everyone on here who told me me to do it because I was going to put it off until 100k miles, mainly because I'm lazy but also thought it was people worrying too much online and it getting blown out of proportion.
Anyway glad I've done it now.
Thanks again.
So did you go with the Febi item in the end?
I fitted a Febi cam follower a little while ago, everything quiet and working as it should - I've not opened it back up again to check though. I've never had a problem with a Febi part myself, good quality usually.
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I just put an INA one for £20 as I could not get one from TPS or the Hitachi version. Looked like good quality the INA
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Also I'd like to thank everyone on here who told me me to do it because I was going to put it off until 100k miles, mainly because I'm lazy but also thought it was people worrying too much online and it getting blown out of proportion.
Anyway glad I've done it now.
Thanks again.
So did you go with the Febi item in the end?
I fitted a Febi cam follower a little while ago, everything quiet and working as it should - I've not opened it back up again to check though. I've never had a problem with a Febi part myself, good quality usually.
Ye I'd already put the Febi one in and put it all back together in the night. Then the next day I zoomed in on the photo and realised I'd been sent a Febi one instead of INA. To be fair it looked better quality than the other one I'd received which was supposed to be INA.
I've also used Febi parts on vans in the past and never had issues they do always seem like good quality parts.
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I just put an INA one for £20 as I could not get one from TPS or the Hitachi version. Looked like good quality the INA
Did your INA cam follower have any markings on to say who the manufacturer was or was it just plain.
What company did you order yours from.
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I did not see any markings on the inside of the INA one, but my genuine one does not appear to have any markings on it that I can see either (I have two old genuine ones from TPS).
Local indi for the INA, this is the only pic I have
(https://i.postimg.cc/nVKhC4sk/2024-08-21-09-19-32.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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Ok thanks for the info. The INA one I received had no markings but it also had no box, so even though the supplier confirmed it was INA I was dubious about using it, that's how come I ended up with the other ones.
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The INA ones I used didn't have any markings from memory, but as stated previously, they are who make them for VW.
Your intake cam has had it. The irregular scuffing on the cam follower is a big clue to that, along with the rough finish on the lobe itself. Normal follower wear is a small and uniform round patch in the middle that gradually spreads out over time.
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As Pudding says.
Here are my old genuine followers since getting the car in 2017, to show normal wear.
Left: 2017 to 2021
Right 2021 to 2024
(https://i.postimg.cc/tRsTKptM/20240901-085404.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nMtp78W4)
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That looks like normal follower wear :happy2:
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I'm thinking that my follower must have been replaced already, because that follower surely didn't cause the wear to the cam. I'll probably do about 6000 miles in a year so I'll check it next year and see how bad it is. I'm really disappointed about the worn cam, I didn't expect any wear at 75,000 miles. I just hope I don't need to replace the cam anytime soon.
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It looks like a follower was worn through, and the pump piston was then hitting the cam and the remains of the follower scratching the cam also. The three grooves align with the piston cap worn flat to me.........I could be wrong
Stage 4
(https://i.postimg.cc/QNv3Y6Fj/hpfp-cam-follower-tfsi.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23dMV7dt)
End cap of the piston.....this is a new one
(https://i.postimg.cc/yNfqmnq4/2024-09-06-10-20-01.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Your cam
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgRKKKBW/2024-09-06-10-23-59.png) (https://postimages.org/)
A new follower was slapped in and the car sold on most probably.
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I've been wanting to do mine again, must be around 50k miles on the current one.
Is this the recommended INA cam follower:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285986386821
They have another listed, assume only difference is one is packed in oil:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285966925396
Just came by this, Awesome GTi seem to have stock:
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-car/volkswagen/eos/genuine-vag-2-0tfsi-ea113-fuel-pump-cam-follower/
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It looks like a follower was worn through, and the pump piston was then hitting the cam and the remains of the follower scratching the cam also. The three grooves align with the piston cap worn flat to me.........I could be wrong
Stage 4
(https://i.postimg.cc/QNv3Y6Fj/hpfp-cam-follower-tfsi.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23dMV7dt)
End cap of the piston.....this is a new one
(https://i.postimg.cc/yNfqmnq4/2024-09-06-10-20-01.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Your cam
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgRKKKBW/2024-09-06-10-23-59.png) (https://postimages.org/)
A new follower was slapped in and the car sold on most probably.
That sounds like the most probable explanation.
I had a look at the end of the pump expecting to see wear, but it must be quite hard as it actually looked like new.
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I've been wanting to do mine again, must be around 50k miles on the current one.
Is this the recommended INA cam follower:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285986386821
They have another listed, assume only difference is one is packed in oil:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285966925396
Just came by this, Awesome GTi seem to have stock:
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-car/volkswagen/eos/genuine-vag-2-0tfsi-ea113-fuel-pump-cam-follower/
Ye that's the correct one and that is one of the companies I bought off but I used their actual site not eBay. They did send me a Febi one though even though it was supposed to be INA.
The genuine one off Awesome GTI seems a good deal. Originally I ordered one off TPS and it was about £49.
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I'm thinking that my follower must have been replaced already, because that follower surely didn't cause the wear to the cam. I'll probably do about 6000 miles in a year so I'll check it next year and see how bad it is. I'm really disappointed about the worn cam, I didn't expect any wear at 75,000 miles. I just hope I don't need to replace the cam anytime soon.
That wear pattern on your follower is because the cam lobe is worn and not rotating the follower. It's basically just beating on it. The round centre wear mark that gradually gets bigger indicates a healthy follower spin, and therefore cam lobe. A worn down cam lobe also reduces HPFP pump lift, which if it gets bad enough will cause fuel rail pressure fault codes.
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I've been wanting to do mine again, must be around 50k miles on the current one.
Is this the recommended INA cam follower:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285986386821
They have another listed, assume only difference is one is packed in oil:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285966925396
Just came by this, Awesome GTi seem to have stock:
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-car/volkswagen/eos/genuine-vag-2-0tfsi-ea113-fuel-pump-cam-follower/
Ye that's the correct one and that is one of the companies I bought off but I used their actual site not eBay. They did send me a Febi one though even though it was supposed to be INA.
The genuine one off Awesome GTI seems a good deal. Originally I ordered one off TPS and it was about £49.
Appreciate that, thanks. May go for the Awesome GTI one in that case.
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I'm thinking that my follower must have been replaced already, because that follower surely didn't cause the wear to the cam. I'll probably do about 6000 miles in a year so I'll check it next year and see how bad it is. I'm really disappointed about the worn cam, I didn't expect any wear at 75,000 miles. I just hope I don't need to replace the cam anytime soon.
That wear pattern on your follower is because the cam lobe is worn and not rotating the follower. It's basically just beating on it. The round centre wear mark that gradually gets bigger indicates a healthy follower spin, and therefore cam lobe. A worn down cam lobe also reduces HPFP pump lift, which if it gets bad enough will cause fuel rail pressure fault codes.
I'm going to check it next year, hopefully it won't have caused too much damage by then.bI know it's not a hard job but I don't want to be taking the hpfp off every five minutes. I also need to keep an eye on the oil, I'm not sure if the hpfp has an internal leak. The oil in the hole where the pump goes smelled a bit petroly but the oil on the dipstick smelled normal. Actually as I just typed that I've just thought if that's got a small leak it could be diluting the oil on the cam which would give me my wear problems.
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Finally got round to replacing the cam follower.
I purchased the kit from here in the end:
https://www.coverdalecarparts.co.uk/product-page/cam-follower-kit-2-0-tfsi
Genuine VW one with upgraded stainless steel bolts.
It was first done at around 45k and now done at 96k miles. It wasn't in too bad a condition. Some pics
(https://i.postimg.cc/JhyJSF8w/20241007-125626.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2qDVZ23T)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bb3mS3ZP/20241007-125711.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLkV0ZDT)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bv8YNNwb/20241007-125722.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qtTxvcrH)
(https://i.postimg.cc/mr0dnM0w/20241007-125816.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nsGYjsVj)