MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: country boy on August 01, 2010, 04:26:59 pm
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Currently in the process of selling my TT to make way for an ED 30. I've seen cars advertised with a 10 speaker stereo and wondered what the 2 extra speakers are over the normal 8?? I presume its a sub and a center speaker?? Also who has this option and are you happy with it?
Anyway heres the TT and hopefully soon there will be an ED 30 in its place :smiley:
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I think the options are 6 and 10 speakers.
The 6 speakers option is the one with speakers only in front. (Three on each door)
In the back you have only wires waiting for the speakers.
The 10 speaker option is the option that you have speakers and in the back positions.
Good luck with the sale... :wink:
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There are 2 options. Normally you get 8 speakers but for 10 speakers you get mids in the front doors.
You can also get 10 speakers plus Dynaudio amp.
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Ive got the 10 speaker option in mine it sounds great but it can wreck your ears :laugh:
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Nice TT. :happy2: The LM's really suit it. :smiley:
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Mine is an 05 & has the 10 speaker set up. :happy2:
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05 GTI here also with 10 speakers and i find the sound from them is quite awful.
I previuosly had a MK4 GTI with six speakers and i could find my perfect setting, Not so with the MK5.
If i have the volume up quite load but not massively so, the speaker housing and door trim/cards start to rattle and distort the sound.
Has anyone done a speaker upgrade on their MK5?
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05 GTI here also with 10 speakers and i find the sound from them is quite awful.
I previuosly had a MK4 GTI with six speakers and i could find my perfect setting, Not so with the MK5.
If i have the volume up quite load but not massively so, the speaker housing and door trim/cards start to rattle and distort the sound.
Has anyone done a speaker upgrade on their MK5?
What HU do you have? I had the RCD300 and changed it to the MFD2. The difference in sound quality was night and day. Still not anything for a true audiophile to get excited about but it showed the HU was the weakest part of the system.
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What HU do you have? I had the RCD300 and changed it to the MFD2. The difference in sound quality was night and day. Still not anything for a true audiophile to get excited about but it showed the HU was the weakest part of the system.
I'm not sure what the model is but heres a pic of my dash
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You have a MFD2
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i also have an mfd2 and the 10 speakers on an 07 gti and i think it sounds rubbish, as mentioned door cards rattle and not enouigh bass
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I have an 08 ed30 with the 10 speakers and an RNS510. Sound is good quality but just not enough bass . I have the bass all the way up , mid down quite low and its still not up to much. Thinking about one of these http://www.bluespot.co.uk/car-audio.aspx/thb210a-speaker
Chris.
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I have the 10 speakers originally with RCD300 which I switched out for an RNS510, sound was a little flat with the RCD300, but with the RNS510 it is more than adequate, and goes louder than I can stand. I have also not found a significant amount of distortion or rattle at the volumes I use the stereo at (up to about half way) Its also very good at bashing out the bass solo from The Chain (grandprix theme tune)
I dont have anything upgraded, or dyna-audio, and it would obviously depend what your comparing it too and how loud its cranked and the music type.
The only comment I do have is that with the fade set to center it does make it seem that the song is being played behind you.
There are speaker upgrades listed on the VW golf accesories page but its quite expensive, have also seen some upgrade kits and whole dyna-audio setups crop up on the bay from time to time. Not sure how easy it would be to fit but think its supposed to make a big difference.
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I have the 10 speaker setup in my 05 GTI with the optional VW sound pack (amp) and the sound is 'ok'. I replaced the standard RCD500 with an RCDF510 and the sound quality got quite a bit better.
There's way too much road noise in a mk5 for a decent stereo system to sound much better than standard unless you use a shed load of sound proofing! That said, the standard setup, even with the amp is lacking in bass and overall quality. Mine sounds way better than standard RCD300 with 8 speakers though :happy2:
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I replaced the standard RCD500 with an RCDF510 and the sound quality got quite a bit better.
Did you require to install a new Can gateway to prevent battery drain?
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I replaced the standard RCD500 with an RCDF510 and the sound quality got quite a bit better.
Did you require to install a new Can gateway to prevent battery drain?
Nope :smiley: And I've left the car unused for a week and it still started first time. I think it's all a myth.... :grin:
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Nope :smiley: And I've left the car unused for a week and it still started first time. I think it's all a myth.... :grin:
Sadly not. Reason I asked is that I have an '06 GTI and recently put an RCD510 in it. Was OK at first and then died as a result of not using the car one day at the weekend. I've now taken the radio fuse out, have no music and am too busy with work to be without the car to get it sorted out!! :sad1:
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its all down to the firmware, if you have firmware of 1260 or lower then you don't need s new can gateway. you should be able to get dome earlier firmware onto the rns, my-gti should help with a link. but you might just be better fitting the new part, really only 30 minute job, with a bit of coding.
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I have a 10 speaker GTI, to me no stock radio would sound good enough, so I bought an Alpine CDE-114BTi which is a 4x50amp with built in parrot bluetooth so I can make handsfree calls etc, and has a full speed iPod connection, so very easy to wire it into the glovebox and installed the radio along with a VW fascia plate.
It costs £180 which was a lot cheaper than any OE upgrade, particularly as it has bluetooth, and for Sat Nav, I use Co-pilot on the iPhone.
Whilst I certainly concede, the RNS510 looks a lot nicer as it sits nice in the dash, looks smart.
I bought an 8" Alpine sub for the boot, it's only small but even with this, the 10 speaker setup still doesn't sound great, it's good, but lacks thickness and warmth, the next step will be to upgrade the door speakers, I believe 6.5", a 4" and tweeter per door, so something a bit beefier should improve things if you fancy going down that route - although it would cost silly money for high end stuff ie Focal, a decent set of Pioneer speakers will be a massive improvement for a minimal cost.
If you stick a jumpstyle or hard dance track on, the doors will rattle into submission, but short of a full dynamat install, not much can be done about that.
So in summary, a small sub in the boot, along with upgraded speakers should see you with a good enough sound system.
I'll be doing the door speakers in the next couple of months.
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I'm with Rich on this. I think the RNS-510 made a huge imrpovement to the sound quality. I originally came from a RCD300, then an MFD2 (CD version) then an MFD2 (DVD version). Each sucessive upgrade gave a small improvment in sound quality, but the RNS-510 improvment was massive. Plenty of bass and good overall sound.
I do agree with Rich that with the fader set to middle position, it does come more from the back speakers than I would like, so I have it a couple of notches to the front and it sounds great.
With regards to road noise, I actually think (well mine at least) that the MK5 is a quiet car. Since the day I bought it, I've runnig 18's with 225/40/18 tyres (Eagle F1 Asymetricals), and I think the road noise is more than acceptable. I had a (don't laugh) Toyota Avensis T-Spirit some years ago on 17's and if you want to hear road noise, go out in one of them. It was embarrasing !
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I think it would be interesting to compare someones RNS510 with mine or somebody who thinks there's not enough bass with it. Funny how some say that there's plenty of bass.
Anybody south wales area ?
Chris.
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With regards to road noise, I actually think (well mine at least) that the MK5 is a quiet car. Since the day I bought it, I've runnig 18's with 225/40/18 tyres (Eagle F1 Asymetricals), and I think the road noise is more than acceptable. I had a (don't laugh) Toyota Avensis T-Spirit some years ago on 17's and if you want to hear road noise, go out in one of them. It was embarrasing !
I was also quite suprised by the road noise comment, im only on 17" wheels but its really very quiet, even at 70 with the stereo off I can hear other peoples tyres rather than my own. and I came from a focus before that was also on 17" and its alot more refined in the GTI.
This all seems to be coming down to what you were previously used too and peoples expectations, rather than weather its any good, and to go back to the original post, I would say it would be better to go for the 10 speaker car, as this one will probably have been made before some of the cost cutting measures and will therefore have a lot more of the plusher features such as the blue tinted heat resistant glass. :happy2:
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I suppose you're right about the noise comment and comparing it to previous cars. I am comparing the mk5 to my BMW, which is silent on the motorway up to about 95. The golf makes a massive amount of noise in comparison. It's not just tyre noise, but there's an awful lot of wind and exhaust noise too. I notice it because most of my trips are spent on the phone (handsfree) and I have to slow down to under 60 to have a clear conversation. In the BMW or in the old mk4 golf, 70 plus is no problem.
If you compare the mk5 with a mk6 golf, there's a HUGE reduction in noise levels in the cabin.
With regards to the number of speakers though, less is usually more in my opinion. A good set of 2 way components plus a small sub would always blow away 10 cheap speakers.
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Garth,
Mines a soot chucker, so if anythings going to make a racket at speed it's that, but I honestly don't have a problem. Quite often have calls from client (handsfree on my parrot kit of course), at legal motorway speeds :ashamed:, and I don't have to raise my voice at all.
I have absolutely NO exhaust noise, and only a bit of wind noise over 70ish, the only real noise is engine and tyre, but as I said, it's more than OK for me ?
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Sounds about right Garth, the BMW will have alot more sound deadening material being a different class of car (as I assume we arent talking a 1 series so squarely aimed at a different segment, (although the run flats are supposed to play havoc with the road noise) so I assume you have dispensed with them!
And I would agree with you 4 decent component speakers and a small sub, with filters to ensure all frequencies are dealt with by the correct component would be much better than a 10 speaker system. But at the same time 10 crap speakers have to be better than 8 crap speakers :signLOL:
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I think the options are 6 and 10 speakers.
The 6 speakers option is the one with speakers only in front. (Three on each door)
In the back you have only wires waiting for the speakers.
The 10 speaker option is the option that you have speakers and in the back positions.
Good luck with the sale... :wink:
This is very interesting, so, mine must be a basic 6 speaker setup, with all 6 up front?
I thought my rears had been pinched!
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There are 8 speakers in the standard UK spec GTI. Including speakers at the rear.
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With regards to the number of speakers though, less is usually more in my opinion. A good set of 2 way components plus a small sub would always blow away 10 cheap speakers.
Less is definitely more.
There is absolutely no need for rear speakers in my opinion, especially in a small car like the golf. You want the soundstage in front of you.
The golf speakers are actually pretty good, but lack decent amplification. You'd get great sound by adding a decent amp powering the fronts and a sub, and disconnecting the extra speakers.
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There are 8 speakers in the standard UK spec GTI. Including speakers at the rear.
Hmm, I find it odd that on a totally stock car like mine that they'd be missing!?
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Also note the cost cutting in later cars, the standard number went from 10 to 8 UNLESS you specified the RCD500 or RCD500 with VW soundpack external amp (£760 in 2009)
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i also have an mfd2 and the 10 speakers on an 07 gti and i think it sounds rubbish, as mentioned door cards rattle and not enouigh bass
Same here. It goes bloody loud but if you want to hear the bass you can't turn it up much unless you take the bass off on the built in EQ as the speakers distort.
I'm investigating sub and amp as soon as i sort my tail happy issues. Something nice and discreet through.
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i also have an mfd2 and the 10 speakers on an 07 gti and i think it sounds rubbish, as mentioned door cards rattle and not enouigh bass
Same here. It goes bloody loud but if you want to hear the bass you can't turn it up much unless you take the bass off on the built in EQ as the speakers distort.
I'm investigating sub and amp as soon as i sort my tail happy issues. Something nice and discreet through.
Have a look at the JL XD range of amps, they're very small for their output, so plenty of scope to tuck them away.
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i also have an mfd2 and the 10 speakers on an 07 gti and i think it sounds rubbish, as mentioned door cards rattle and not enouigh bass
Same here. It goes bloody loud but if you want to hear the bass you can't turn it up much unless you take the bass off on the built in EQ as the speakers distort.
I'm investigating sub and amp as soon as i sort my tail happy issues. Something nice and discreet through.
Have a look at the JL XD range of amps, they're very small for their output, so plenty of scope to tuck them away.
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I've been looking at getting the JL 10" in a side enclosure and a 4 way JL Amp to run some decent components in the front and bridge the other 2 channels for the sub.
Will be more than enough for me that i think.
I've been told on here i can get some sort of aux box for the back of the RNS510 so that i can run the amp and not have to change HU's. Do you have a standard head unit or aftermarket?
I don't want to run thr risk of putting an after market HU in as i have to park the car in some less affluent (rough...;) ) area's for work.
I'm putting money away now so i can get it all sorted before the summer...:)
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I have 10 speaker set up I find it shocking I actually don't like music in my car and I enjoy my music. I don't bother playing music unless I'm bored. I need to look into simple upgrading.
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I have 10 speaker set up I find it shocking I actually don't like music in my car and I enjoy my music. I don't bother playing music unless I'm bored. I need to look into simple upgrading.
I agree, if you are used to good sound then the standard 10 speakers is pretty sh*te. Improved when I installed RNS 510 but still poor.
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I have 10 speakers and RNS-510 in both Golfs.
I prefer to have the RNS-510 coded thinking it has an active amp, so I chose the following:
Byte 01 Sound System Correction
01 Volkswagen Sound System
Byte 02 Speaker Channels
04 4 Speaker Channels (Front and Rear)
I find the sound more clear. I've also increased the higher frequencies in the EQ. Mind that I'm not after too loud sound as well, just to hear the radio, BT streaming and eventually MP3 from the SD card.
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I have the 10 speaker setup, which came with an RCD-300. Since putting a pioneer head unit it I can't fault the sound quality, and I'm very picky about that!
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i also have an mfd2 and the 10 speakers on an 07 gti and i think it sounds rubbish, as mentioned door cards rattle and not enouigh bass
Same here. It goes bloody loud but if you want to hear the bass you can't turn it up much unless you take the bass off on the built in EQ as the speakers distort.
I'm investigating sub and amp as soon as i sort my tail happy issues. Something nice and discreet through.
Have a look at the JL XD range of amps, they're very small for their output, so plenty of scope to tuck them away.
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I've been looking at getting the JL 10" in a side enclosure and a 4 way JL Amp to run some decent components in the front and bridge the other 2 channels for the sub.
Will be more than enough for me that i think.
I've been told on here i can get some sort of aux box for the back of the RNS510 so that i can run the amp and not have to change HU's. Do you have a standard head unit or aftermarket?
I don't want to run thr risk of putting an after market HU in as i have to park the car in some less affluent (rough...;) ) area's for work.
I'm putting money away now so i can get it all sorted before the summer...:)
Yep, perfectly possible to amp a standard HU, with good results.
On the Golf all I've done is swap out the standard nav for a pioneer SPH-DA120. Just that on its own gives much better sound. I may add an amp and sub in future.
On my RS4 I swapped the HU for a pioneer AVH-X8700BT, swapped front components for focals, disconnected the rears, JL 10" sub in a "kustom box" enclosure, dynamat in front doors, and a JL XD500 amp. It's 3 channels; 2x 75W RMS for components + 300W RMS for the sub. The amp is nice and small too, tucked away in the wheel well area, just required a small amount of foam to be cut.
http://www.jlaudio.co.uk/xd500-3v2-car-audio-xdv2-amplifiers-98603
It sounds a million times better than the OEM bose, which belongs in the bin. Still not as good as my Mk4 GTi which had a 12" JL W6 and genesis amps (amped the OEM fronts - they're actually pretty damn good.) I turfed out the spare wheel so I could make a box and bolt it in the wheel well to take the 12" sub. This was years ago when I was at uni and had time for this! The bass dropped looooow. :happy2:
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