MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Cosmetic/Interior Modifications => Topic started by: chrishalfpenny on October 28, 2010, 05:29:08 pm
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On monday i have a day off and i will be fitting my recaros, what i want to know is is it as easy as taking the old seats out and bolting in the new sub frames?
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You will need to code the airbags, I am assuming the Pole Positions don't have airbags?
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No they haven't got airbags
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I think you can buy airbag resisters that fool the car into thinking they're there. Easier to code them out though.
Otherwise, bolts off, seat out, subframes in, seat in - job done!
Oh, and then pics!
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Then you will need to disable the seat side-airbags, or you will get a airbag light on the dash.
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Cheers guys dash lights don't bother me so much just don't won't airbag to the face :signLOL:
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Cheers guys dash lights don't bother me so much just don't won't airbag to the face :signLOL:
Airbag dash lights are an MoT failure, not to mention failing to comply with Type Approval. Both will mean you'll invalidate your insurance.
Legal spiel clarified, now tecchy info - if the airbag light is on, then ALL SRS components are disabled - so ALL airbags wont work, and your seatbelt pre-tensioners wont work either.
So for the sake of hooking up VCDS, it's well worth doing the job correctly. :wink: :smiley:
Then you can fully enjoy your lush seats! :driver: :driver: :driver: :driver:
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if the airbag light is on, then ALL SRS components are disabled - so ALL airbags wont work, and your seatbelt pre-tensioners wont work either.
Useful info right there!
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Airbag dash lights are an MoT failure, not to mention failing to comply with Type Approval. Both will mean you'll invalidate your insurance.
Legal spiel clarified, now tecchy info - if the airbag light is on, then ALL SRS components are disabled - so ALL airbags wont work, and your seatbelt pre-tensioners wont work either.
So for the sake of hooking up VCDS, it's well worth doing the job correctly. :wink: :smiley:
....You'll only fail your MOT if your airbag light stays on. Even with VCDS you won't be able to totally disable the airbag light: It'll come on as part of the initial systems check (probably the wrong term) and then disappear like the others normally do when all is well. If the airbag light stays on, then it means you've got a problem with those airbags present and hence a MOT fail.
The system behaves according to the seating option which the VW factory fitted to your chassis number. No VW dealer is willing to change that because of potential legal implications.
This was my experience in swapping to Recaro's.
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Airbag dash lights are an MoT failure, not to mention failing to comply with Type Approval. Both will mean you'll invalidate your insurance.
Legal spiel clarified, now tecchy info - if the airbag light is on, then ALL SRS components are disabled - so ALL airbags wont work, and your seatbelt pre-tensioners wont work either.
So for the sake of hooking up VCDS, it's well worth doing the job correctly. :wink: :smiley:
....You'll only fail your MOT if your airbag light stays on. Even with VCDS you won't be able to totally disable the airbag light: It'll come on as part of the initial systems check (probably the wrong term) and then disappear like the others normally do when all is well. If the airbag light stays on, then it means you've got a problem with those airbags present and hence a MOT fail.
OK smarty pants - you know that's what I meant! :P
But yes, you are correct - many lights will come on when you turn on the ignition - as part of the check, and then go out very shortly after. And you can't remove the bulb either - the MoT will test that the airbag light specifically illuminates, and then goes off (and the same for the ABS light too).
The system behaves according to the seating option which the VW factory fitted to your chassis number. No VW dealer is willing to change that because of potential legal implications.
Not really correct. Yes, the programming of all the control modules should be done according to what was factory fitted - however, VW garages (and all VAG garages) have a specific ability to link the car directly back to VW Germany to alter the base settings (technically known as 'PR' codes) when the car has been altered with genuine VW parts. Some specific examples are retro-fitment of genuine towbars, and retro-fitment of Audi ceramic brake systems. Retro-fitting of genuine Recaro seats should follow the same procedure.
The real problem is that many stealer 'technicians' just cant think outside the box. On my own GTI, I had repeated problems with the airbag light, from their incompetence to correctly carry out a TSB on underseat wiring. I specifically repeatedly asked them to temporarily disable the individual airbag (from when I poped into the stealer to show them the prob - to when the car was actually booked in to do the job), so that the airbag light would go out, and I would be able to have the remainder of the airbags and pre-tensioners fully functioning - and they refused. They also REFUSED to clear the fault codes - meaning that the car had NO SRS functions for upto two weeks whilst they waited to book in. :fighting: This resulted in a formal complaint to VW UK.
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OK smarty pants - you know that's what I meant! :P
But yes, you are correct - many lights will come on when you turn on the ignition - as part of the check, and then go out very shortly after. And you can't remove the bulb either - the MoT will test that the airbag light specifically illuminates, and then goes off (and the same for the ABS light too).
The system behaves according to the seating option which the VW factory fitted to your chassis number. No VW dealer is willing to change that because of potential legal implications.
Not really correct. Yes, the programming of all the control modules should be done according to what was factory fitted - however, VW garages (and all VAG garages) have a specific ability to link the car directly back to VW Germany to alter the base settings (technically known as 'PR' codes) when the car has been altered with genuine VW parts. Some specific examples are retro-fitment of genuine towbars, and retro-fitment of Audi ceramic brake systems. Retro-fitting of genuine Recaro seats should follow the same procedure.
....Makes a change for me to be the Smarty Pants rather than you! :laugh: :happy2:
I didn't know about the VW Germany link back, so very useful info. Thanks, Sean :drinking:
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But yes, you are correct - many lights will come on when you turn on the ignition - as part of the check, and then go out very shortly after. And you can't remove the bulb either - the MoT will test that the airbag light specifically illuminates, and then goes off (and the same for the ABS light too).
Not completely true.
If a warning light is not visible, it will pass. On a previous car I had an ABS warning light AND airbag warning light come on the day before MOT due to me messing around with electrics. I didn't have time to fix them before the MOT so on the advise of my mechanic, I stuck black tape over the lights. It passed the MOT because no warning lights were visible and the MOT tester is not allowed to remove trim. Black tape is considered trim so he can't remove it :P
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But yes, you are correct - many lights will come on when you turn on the ignition - as part of the check, and then go out very shortly after. And you can't remove the bulb either - the MoT will test that the airbag light specifically illuminates, and then goes off (and the same for the ABS light too).
Not completely true.
If a warning light is not visible, it will pass. On a previous car I had an ABS warning light AND airbag warning light come on the day before MOT due to me messing around with electrics. I didn't have time to fix them before the MOT so on the advise of my mechanic, I stuck black tape over the lights. It passed the MOT because no warning lights were visible and the MOT tester is not allowed to remove trim. Black tape is considered trim so he can't remove it :P
But the Police can remove it - and then you'd be done under Construction and Use Regs - with a penalty much worse than no MoT.
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So seats are all fitted but I feel they are too high, I like to be sat as low as possible but these recurs can't go any lower. I remember Johnny c had the same problem I'm sure, can anyone remember how it was solved? Please don't make me read through that mammoth build thread :)
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Can't really remember but I know he sold his first ones to Robin.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3742.msg57238.html#msg57238
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Found this. It has multi-holed side plates that allow some adjustment.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5960.0.html
Failing that PM him. If he's in the country he should respond.
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Cheers for the help, yeah I know there's some adjustment but it's not enough :) I wanna be on the floor. I'll have to have a look through his build thread.
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Can't really remember but I know he sold his first ones to Robin.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3742.msg57238.html#msg57238
....Hedge speaks da truth :happy2:
I was there when Jonny had his first attempt at fitting them. IIRC the UK Recaro agent had not included the correct parts so we had to bodge it to get him able to drive home.
Didn't Hurdy also have these seats for a short time. They are certainly limited in their adjustability - You set them up once and that's it until you disassemble and adjust to fixed hole positions.
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You've got them on sidemounts, presumably?
Take them into an engineering shop and have them put some more holes in, I'm sure that's what Jonny did in the end. it'll be fine so long as it is done by a pro.
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You've got them on sidemounts, presumably?
Take them into an engineering shop and have them put some more holes in, I'm sure that's what Jonny did in the end. it'll be fine so long as it is done by a pro.
....You beat me to it! I was just about to post suggesting exactly this.
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Cheers guys, yes there side mounted just spent the last 40 minutes reading his build thread again (big mistake) it's such a good read and I'm now thinkning poly windows lol. I think the best thing to do will be send him a pm and hopefully he can help me out.
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Cheers guys, yes there side mounted just spent the last 40 minutes reading his build thread again (big mistake) it's such a good read and I'm now thinkning poly windows lol. I think the best thing to do will be send him a pm and hopefully he can help me out.
....You'll find that JonnyC is always particularly helpful - You may have to wait awhile for a response because he travels a lot and gets busy. Top guy, and unlike me, very modest.
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I read through his built thread a little more and there's a little more detail as to how he got it lower, so tomorrow I'll have a look. I sent him a pm any way he may have some tips
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Lets get to the crux of the matter................
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Lets get to the crux of the matter................
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bad photo quality :)
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Cool.
See the bolt holes in the sidemount, well the ones on the rear appear to only have 2 settings, but if you use a lock washer you can actually use the slider bar below them. They'll drop miles!
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Cheers mate, will have to take a look
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Once you've got a position you're happy with, nylock everything too :happy2:
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Those, even with poor photography, are looking cool.
I'm thinking that I would get my coachbuilder friend to do the cushion segments in Interlagos (to match my interior) and I'd carbon vinyl wrap the seat backs et voila! - Proper seats for trackdays but cool for road use.
How much are these Pole Position Recaro's?
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Probably looking around £900 with siderails, but shopping around is key.
The Recaro Furious is the same seat, cheaper and 35mm wider for that little extra comfort too, Robin.
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Probably looking around £900 with siderails, but shopping around is key.
The Recaro Furious is the same seat, cheaper and 35mm wider for that little extra comfort too, Robin.
....That's viable when taking into account what I could get for selling my Recaro's.
Are you suggesting I've got a fat arse, Mike? :laugh:
The wee bit of extra width would be more comfortable on longer journeys. However, I'm just musing and am not unhappy with what I've currently got. I guess if I started doing more trackdays I would reconsider. Nice to know what options are available - Thanks mate :drinking:
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I was thinking more along the lines of the more generously bottomed lady you'll be giving a lift to. :wink:
I've got the same seats as yours in the Clio, they're excellent, but you still move about in them a bit on track I've found. The Furious would be a bit comfier for touring, shame you haven't got Demon Tweeks near you, they stock everything and you can have a good sit in them for size.
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Robin there not massively expensive if you buy the cloth ones like mine I paid £369 ish each for the seats and £150 each for base frames and £50 each for side mounts. The support they offer is amazing really helps you drive hard, they are very comfortable seats even for me and I'm not thin by any stretch of the imagination lol. I love your idear of having the cushion done in interlagos. Robin if your ever in the southampton area your welcome to have a little sit in the seats :)
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^^^^
Chris, I'm fairly often passing by Southampton (and dropping in on the saintly Steve and his fine missus) - Are you talking weekdays or weekends? (I don't work).
[Robin waits to be unindated for 'first bagsy' PM's to buy his current rare-as-rocking-horse-poo Recaro's]
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Both mate, I'm usually about during the week after about 4ish as I start work early but nothing is every predictable for me so weekends would be a lot better :) if you fancy it pm me your number and I'll text you back with mine and when your next down just give me a call or text and we can sort something out. But be warned it will be a very expensive day for you because you will love the seats and want a set :signLOL:
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@ chrishalfpenny:
Have PM'd you my moby :happy2:
It wouldn't be too expensive because I would have my very sought-after Recaro's to sell. But, as I said, I'm not serious about this idea as yet.