MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: flyboy1976 on January 10, 2011, 08:07:57 am
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Can anyone tell me how easy it is to do an S3/R32 front and rear brake upgrade on a GTi please. Are the rears as simple as bolting new discs ,calipers and pads and bending/manipulating the existing dirt/dust shields away from the disc for clearance? I read somewhere you need to use the brake pipes from the R32/S3...ive looked on ETKA and they list a L/H and R/H pipe (as seperate part numbers) they then list another part number for a pipe of which two are required! I am unsure of what this pipe is and if i actually need it. Can someone please tell me exactly what i will need (and part numbers if possible?) Thanks in advance
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I know for certain that the Fronts are a straight swap as i have done it. You just need new brake hoses from and S3/R32 as they are slightly longer than GTi ones. That's assuming you get calipers, Carriers, Dust Shield, Pads, Discs.
As for the rears im 99% certain that it is the same again a straight swap but you need brake hoses.
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The rears are a direct bolt one.
Same lines, same pads, same hand-brake fixtures etc. Just the calipers and discs are different.
the Std GTI rear dust shields are used too, just tweak slightly to provide clearance.
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Sounds like a good Mod, are the S3 and R32 brakes alot better than the standard GTI brakes?
Ash
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Saw that though it might be helpful!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Audi-S3-Brake-Caliper-Discs-Setup-A3-R32-TT-GTI-MK5-/150544295391?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item230d23a5df#ht_500wt_1156
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Sounds like a good Mod, are the S3 and R32 brakes alot better than the standard GTI brakes?
Ash
Oh yes. A bit like comparing Milla Jovovich to Hilda Ogden. :laugh:
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Sounds like a good Mod, are the S3 and R32 brakes alot better than the standard GTI brakes?
Ash
Oh yes. A bit like comparing Milla Jovovich to Hilda Ogden. :laugh:
Milla is alright i suppose but Hilda Ogden is :drool: :drool: :drool:
Can't beat a bit of GILF :evilgrin:
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2010 Golf R20 Brake kit! :smiley:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Golf-R20-Brake-Caliper-Discs-Kit-R32-GTI-MK5-A3-S3-TT-/150544947296?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item230d2d9860#ht_2465wt_1141
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Sounds like a good Mod, are the S3 and R32 brakes alot better than the standard GTI brakes?
Ash
Yeah as mentioned above they are quite a significant upgrade on the standard GTI setup, well worth doing!
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2010 Golf R20 Brake kit! :smiley:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Golf-R20-Brake-Caliper-Discs-Kit-R32-GTI-MK5-A3-S3-TT-/150544947296?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item230d2d9860#ht_2465wt_1141
Nope older R32 brakes with Golf R retainers. The only difference is the caliper colour. Golf R are black and R32's are blue :happy2:
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Sounds like a good Mod, are the S3 and R32 brakes alot better than the standard GTI brakes?
Ash
Oh yes. A bit like comparing Milla Jovovich to Hilda Ogden. :laugh:
:signLOL: Think im going to have to look into this!!
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Sounds like a good Mod, are the S3 and R32 brakes alot better than the standard GTI brakes?
Ash
Oh yes. A bit like comparing Milla Jovovich to Hilda Ogden. :laugh:
Milla is alright i suppose but Hilda Ogden is :drool: :drool: :drool:
Can't beat a bit of GILF :evilgrin:
I suppose Hilda's teeth do come out. :notworthy: :evilgrin: :signLOL:
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Sounds like a good Mod, are the S3 and R32 brakes alot better than the standard GTI brakes?
Ash
Yeah as mentioned above they are quite a significant upgrade on the standard GTI setup, well worth doing!
Cheers, Can add that to my "I want some of those" list :signLOL:
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Sounds like a good Mod, are the S3 and R32 brakes alot better than the standard GTI brakes?
Ash
Yeah as mentioned above they are quite a significant upgrade on the standard GTI setup, well worth doing!
Cheers, Can add that to my "I want some of those" list :signLOL:
You can get away with just the fronts but they can be a little snatchy at low speed. If you add the rears they come with vented discs and a slightly bigger piston in the caliper.
Fronts ftw.
Fronts and rears ftmfw. :smiley:
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regarding the brake pipe, you need it on both front calipers as they are needed to link the brake hoses to the calipers. You can reuse the brake lines on the rear as i did without any trouble :happy2:
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Cheers lads, do i need to buy the small metal brake pipes that the flexi pipes connect to on the fronts (they are handed apparently) or do the calipers typically come with them? any advice on bleeding them up i.e rears then fronts or diagonally???.....ive never really messed with brakes and am a bit cautious :signLOL:
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Steve P is bang on.
Please also be advised that each of those packages which is front and rear discs/calipers/pads/shields weighs 74kg.......
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Would this brembo kit be better than R32/S3 brakes?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270681294846&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_909wt_907
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Step by step how to guide for the fronts!
http://www.tyrolsport.com/index.php?p=page&page_id=tech_new&pg=tech-performance/techstep-big-brake-mk5
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Sounds like a good Mod, are the S3 and R32 brakes alot better than the standard GTI brakes?
Ash
Oh yes. A bit like comparing Milla Jovovich to Hilda Ogden. :laugh:
Milla is alright i suppose but Hilda Ogden is :drool: :drool: :drool:
Can't beat a bit of GILF :evilgrin:
I think you mean CILF..............as in Corpse, she is dead afer all! :laugh:
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Would this brembo kit be better than R32/S3 brakes?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270681294846&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_909wt_907
I'm no expert, but they are 312mm, GTi standard size, iirc the S3/R32's are 345mm, so probably no, they wouldn't be better. :happy2:
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Would this brembo kit be better than R32/S3 brakes?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270681294846&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_909wt_907
I'm no expert, but they are 312mm, GTi standard size, iirc the S3/R32's are 345mm, so probably no, they wouldn't be better. :happy2:
They are 4pot calipers tho... so i would imagine theres a fair whack more clamping force than the single pot r32 calipers!
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Erm yes 4 pot calipers will give better clamping than an S3/R32 kit.
However they would suffer Heat fade quicker i would imagine being a smaller disc.
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Steve P is bang on.
Please also be advised that each of those packages which is front and rear discs/calipers/pads/shields weighs 74kg.......
How much does the original set up weighs ??
This is something id really like to do on my sons ED30 ,,My wife keeps reminding me its his car not mine ,How much could i get a really nice upgrade for ? .
I want a red set off s3 calipers with some decent disks and pads.
I have a friend who has a powder coating paint shop and access to a grit blasting facility .
would this upgrade fit straight behind a set off stock pescaras
thankyou
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Steve P is bang on.
Please also be advised that each of those packages which is front and rear discs/calipers/pads/shields weighs 74kg.......
How much does the original set up weighs ??
This is something id really like to do on my sons ED30 ,,My wife keeps reminding me its his car not mine ,How much could i get a really nice upgrade for ? .
I want a red set off s3 calipers with some decent disks and pads.
I have a friend who has a powder coating paint shop and access to a grit blasting facility .
would this upgrade fit straight behind a set off stock pescaras
thankyou
yes it fits straight behind pescaras :smiley:
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Erm yes 4 pot calipers will give better clamping than an S3/R32 kit.
However they would suffer Heat fade quicker i would imagine being a smaller disc.
Thanks for all the replys! Decisions decisions, Brembos would look nice but shame there not 345mm. Bigger brakes always look better I think!!
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What would a set off S3/R32 front and rears cost if i could buy a set of refurbished red calipers with new pads and disks . does anyone have a clue where i could find a set complete and ready to bolt on ,
I find it incredible that the sets available on ebay are so dirty ,why does the seller not attempt to clean them or am i just being anal ..
How hard are they to refurbish ?
I have a set off std Brakes coming off the ED30 that have covered 13500 miles what could i expect to sell them for
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What would a set off S3/R32 front and rears cost if i could buy a set of refurbished red calipers with new pads and disks . does anyone have a clue where i could find a set complete and ready to bolt on ,
I find it incredible that the sets available on ebay are so dirty ,why does the seller not attempt to clean them or am i just being anal ..
How hard are they to refurbish ?
I have a set off std Brakes coming off the ED30 that have covered 13500 miles what could i expect to sell them for
Are the Edition 30 front discs larger than 312mm?
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What would a set off S3/R32 front and rears cost if i could buy a set of refurbished red calipers with new pads and disks . does anyone have a clue where i could find a set complete and ready to bolt on ,
I find it incredible that the sets available on ebay are so dirty ,why does the seller not attempt to clean them or am i just being anal ..
How hard are they to refurbish ?
I have a set off std Brakes coming off the ED30 that have covered 13500 miles what could i expect to sell them for
Are the Edition 30 front discs larger than 312mm?
Nope just standard GTI brakes.
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The rears are a direct bolt one.
Same lines, same pads, same hand-brake fixtures etc. Just the calipers and discs are different.
the Std GTI rear dust shields are used too, just tweak slightly to provide clearance.
First of all, sorry for the thread jack Flyboy :ashamed:
I've just bought some Golf R20 brakes, front and rear complete, these are the sane as R32 and S3 set up. Spoke to Midland VW and they've said new handbrake cables are needed (these were not included) as the current ones will have too much play if reused and standard rear dust shields look a mess if 'tweaked'. Is this right? If not, does anyone know a reputable garage that can do the job for me in the midlands, preferably Birmingham?
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no worries dude! ive just done my fronts, did you get the full S3 set off ebay and pay £453.00 for them? if so you were bidding against me, ask stokeballoon about the rears as he has done the conversion so did stevie P iirc. see pics of before and after (fronts)
Standard Gti/Edition 30 Fronts 312mm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fae349%2Fnitsrik1976%2FStandardGti.jpg&hash=0d286da1c77d62ded9e537f03f9f174baec4b64a)
R32/S3/Cupra R Fronts 345mm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fae349%2Fnitsrik1976%2FR32fronts.jpg&hash=ef4ed2f86a8af7be414989ff099537e0d1a19a51)
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No mate, got some R20 ones. Didn't see the S3 ones on the bay. Are you just changing the fronts on yours? Did u do it yourself?
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no worries dude! ive just done my fronts, did you get the full S3 set off ebay and pay £453.00 for them? if so you were bidding against me, ask stokeballoon about the rears as he has done the conversion so did stevie P iirc. see pics of before and after (fronts)
Standard Gti/Edition 30 Fronts 312mm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fae349%2Fnitsrik1976%2FStandardGti.jpg&hash=0d286da1c77d62ded9e537f03f9f174baec4b64a)
R32/S3/Cupra R Fronts 345mm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fae349%2Fnitsrik1976%2FR32fronts.jpg&hash=ef4ed2f86a8af7be414989ff099537e0d1a19a51)
NICE !
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Cheers fellas, yeah done mine today, sorry i meant R20 they were advertised as having 3884 miles on them, i was bidding on a full front and rear set on ebay but got outbid (it was you wasnt it lol) btw all my mods i do myself (S3 intercooler/Twintercooler/RS4 valve/ Twintake/HPFP/Miiltek TBE/Forge Breather/ Foge dump valve/Modified oem engine cover/S3 Brakes etc) I have limited tools and space and NO training :driver:
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It probably was me then :signLOL: Great job you've done there matey, I'm too scared to work on my car :scared:
Plus, I'm nowhere near competent enough :laugh:
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ahhh its not so bad, i refuse to pay anyone other than my old bud mark shead of madevelopments but he dont do VW's.....well known tuner though, ive know him for 15 years! ive done my own rns/mdi/bluetooth install with voice activation and coded it as well (and some of the guys on here will always help especially vrs stu and vrscarl and not to forget mortygttdi and sadly cameluk who has gone AWOL
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Spoke to Midland VW and they've said new handbrake cables are needed (these were not included) as the current ones will have too much play if reused and standard rear dust shields look a mess if 'tweaked'.
They said the same thing to me. Had a chat with Jody and picked his brains about different things. With respect to brakes, he was of the opinion only the fronts needed to be upgraded and that if I did the rear, the dust shields would need to come off, and the handbrake cable would need to be replaced, necessitating more work.
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Spoke to Midland VW and they've said new handbrake cables are needed (these were not included) as the current ones will have too much play if reused and standard rear dust shields look a mess if 'tweaked'.
They said the same thing to me. Had a chat with Jody and picked his brains about different things. With respect to brakes, he was of the opinion only the fronts needed to be upgraded and that if I did the rear, the dust shields would need to come off, and the handbrake cable would need to be replaced, necessitating more work.
That's exactly what he said to me. But Stokebaloon on here has done the upgrade himself a few times and doesn't agree with this. I'm confused :confused:
Do you know anyone else in nearby who I can go to? Did you get yours done? I know the front should be enough but I thought it better to do the whole lot for more even and better braking.
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No I haven't done anything with the brakes. I was just inquiring at the time. Can't afford the £1500+ for brakes and installation yet! :sad1:
I don't know anyone else local. VWR/TTShop/BDM are all in Milton Keynes. I'm surprised there aren't any similar garages around Birmingham.
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Yes, so am I. I might try calling R-Tech when I get a chance and see what they say :happy2:
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I've also had the rears done, absolutely no need for new dustshields and handbrakecables. Just another urban legend from people that only know theory :fighting:
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Well I called R-Tech and they don't do the upgrade :popcornsoda:
I've also had the rears done, absolutely no need for new dustshields and handbrakecables. Just another urban legend from people that only know theory :fighting:
Danish, how did you modify the current dust shields?
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just a quickie, re the r32 brakes versus the porsche (brembo) brakes, the porsche brakes = lighter, use std disks, therefore cheaper consumables, much better feel, better clamping force (4 pistons versus 1) and IMHO look better (this is subjective though), the r32 brakes better heat dissapation as bigger disc.
I went with the porcshe set up, but I don't do lots of heavy duty track work, necessitating the greater heat resistance, if I did I would prob have gone for the R32, otherwise for street and moderate track the porsche are much better IMHO (for the reasons stated above)
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Sounds like a good Mod, are the S3 and R32 brakes alot better than the standard GTI brakes?
Ash
Oh yes. A bit like comparing Milla Jovovich to Hilda Ogden. :laugh:
Milla is alright i suppose but Hilda Ogden is :drool: :drool: :drool:
Can't beat a bit of GILF :evilgrin:
I think you mean CILF..............as in Corpse, she is dead afer all! :laugh:
Wrong! Hilda Ogden moved away from Corrie Street, she didn't die. Jean Alexander is still alive, too. :smiley:
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Well I called R-Tech and they don't do the upgrade :popcornsoda:
I've also had the rears done, absolutely no need for new dustshields and handbrakecables. Just another urban legend from people that only know theory :fighting:
Danish, how did you modify the current dust shields?
just pressed them slightly inwards under the car, works a treat :smiley:
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Wrong! Hilda Ogden moved away from Corrie Street, she didn't die. Jean Alexander is still alive, too. :smiley:
Coronation Street guru.................. :P
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Know naff about brakes, though!
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Hi all,
I know this thread is nearly a year old but I need to know what brake pipes I need to replace as I just read on page 2 that I need new ones,
I will be fitting my S3 set up during this week along with some Coilovers, your help here will be much appreciated.
If any one has a link too the ones I need to fit my eddy I'd be really greatful :happy2:
J
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Hi all,
I know this thread is nearly a year old but I need to know what brake pipes I need to replace as I just read on page 2 that I need new ones,
I will be fitting my S3 set up during this week along with some Coilovers, your help here will be much appreciated.
If any one has a link too the ones I need to fit my eddy I'd be really greatful :happy2:
J
These are the ones i used fitting my S3 front brake calipers,
http://www.brake-lines.co.uk/hel-brake-lines-for-volkswagen-golf-mk5-3.2-r32-4-motion-from-1k-4-000-001-2005-2007.html (http://www.brake-lines.co.uk/hel-brake-lines-for-volkswagen-golf-mk5-3.2-r32-4-motion-from-1k-4-000-001-2005-2007.html)
:happy2:
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Hi all,
I know this thread is nearly a year old but I need to know what brake pipes I need to replace as I just read on page 2 that I need new ones,
I will be fitting my S3 set up during this week along with some Coilovers, your help here will be much appreciated.
If any one has a link too the ones I need to fit my eddy I'd be really greatful :happy2:
J
These are the ones i used fitting my S3 front brake calipers,
http://www.brake-lines.co.uk/hel-brake-lines-for-volkswagen-golf-mk5-3.2-r32-4-motion-from-1k-4-000-001-2005-2007.html (http://www.brake-lines.co.uk/hel-brake-lines-for-volkswagen-golf-mk5-3.2-r32-4-motion-from-1k-4-000-001-2005-2007.html)
:happy2:
Hi mate
Thanks for your post :happy2: is this all I need now to install them hose wise?
J
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Yeah if you get the full set of hoses, The fronts fix into the caliper and the rears into the small brake pipe on the caliper. iirc :happy2:
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For the fronts some of the guys on here use these HEL lines, available from DaveB here on the forum, they have an angled banjo for better brake line entry on the caliper.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,66497.msg730250.html#msg730250
The OEM hose kit for the R32 front brake conversion, a straight fit on the GTI is:
FLEXI HOSE 1K0611701N qty 2
BOLT N10647602 qty 4
SCREW N90948802 qty 4
SCREW N91073301 qty 6
BRACKET 1K0611841A
BRACKET 1K0611842A
SCREW N90718601 qty 2
PIPE 1K0611763A
PIPE 1K0611764A
CLIP 191611715 qty 2
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Does anyone have the part number for the dust shields? Iv got the calipers, discs and pads.
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Yeah if you get the full set of hoses, The fronts fix into the caliper and the rears into the small brake pipe on the caliper. iirc :happy2:
Didn't think I'd need the rears so didn't order them :confused:
For the fronts some of the guys on here use these HEL lines, available from DaveB here on the forum, they have an angled banjo for better brake line entry on the caliper.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,66497.msg730250.html#msg730250
The OEM hose kit for the R32 front brake conversion, a straight fit on the GTI is:
FLEXI HOSE 1K0611701N qty 2
BOLT N10647602 qty 4
SCREW N90948802 qty 4
SCREW N91073301 qty 6
BRACKET 1K0611841A
BRACKET 1K0611842A
SCREW N90718601 qty 2
PIPE 1K0611763A
PIPE 1K0611764A
CLIP 191611715 qty 2
Thannks man just ordered the same set :happy2: but now I've read Thor's post I think I need to order the rear for the fronts to :scared:
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Left Hand Shield 1K0615311C
Right Hand Shield 1K0615312C
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You can just re use your existing rear hoses, but i think it is better to replace everything. :happy2:
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You can just re use your existing rear hoses, but i think it is better to replace everything. :happy2:
Are you meaning the rear caliper? Or the rear hoses on the front caliper?
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Left Hand Shield 1K0615311C
Right Hand Shield 1K0615312C
£9.61 each full retail inc vat
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Having thick moment, use the existing rear hose that are on the rear of the front caliper if that makes seance ? Never done brakes before man :ashamed:
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You can just re use your existing rear hoses, but i think it is better to replace everything. :happy2:
Are you meaning the rear caliper? Or the rear hoses on the front caliper?
^^^^That's what I meant :signLOL:
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You can just re use your existing rear hoses, but i think it is better to replace everything. :happy2:
Are you meaning the rear caliper? Or the rear hoses on the front caliper?
^^^^That's what I meant :signLOL:
Gotcha. So if you buy the HEL lines, buy front and rears?
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Left Hand Shield 1K0615311C
Right Hand Shield 1K0615312C
£9.61 each full retail inc vat
Thats a monday job added to my ever growing list of crap to do!
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Gotcha. So if you buy the HEL lines, buy front and rears?
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That's what I want to know or can I use the existing rear caliper hose that is On the front caliper :jumping:
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Gotcha. So if you buy the HEL lines, buy front and rears?
That's what I want to know or can I use the existing rear caliper hose that is On the front caliper :jumping:
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I had a thick moment :rolleye:
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Haha join the clubman, all I want to know is can I use the existing small rear hose on the front caliper of my standard eddy set up on my new S3 set up. Fewwwwww that was confusing :signLOL:
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Anyone?
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:popcornsoda:
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if you are not putting the he flexi on the rear the ones on your car will fit ok--when doing the front you can put the hel flexi on or the normal one like i did
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Okay cool so i don't need to order the HEL small rear hoses for the front caliper I can use the ones on my standard set up, thanks mate makes sense now haha. I have ordered front braided lines anyway just not the other hose for the front set up :happy2:
How hard did you find the set up to fit?
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Haven't order S3 rear brakes yet as none up for sale so I'll keep my eyes peeled for some once I've got the fronts on with all the other parts I've got clogging up our house :signLOL:
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only difficult part is getting to the rear carrier bolts if you haven't got the use of a ramp
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And don't get any brake fluid on your shiny new calipers :happy2:
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Im going to get a caliper rebuild kit for mine off biggred on ebay i think they are. Just new seals etc is in the pack. I might order those front braided lines as iv been paid :pomppomp:
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My friend has a garage in Crawley so I'll be heading there after work one night this week to get them fitted a long with my Coilovers :happy2: i just paid £70 for front braided lines, 2 litres of performance fluid and guaranteed delivery for Tuesday. Not bad I don't think.
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Left Hand Shield 1K0615311C
Right Hand Shield 1K0615312C
£9.61 each full retail inc vat
sweet
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For the fronts some of the guys on here use these HEL lines, available from DaveB here on the forum, they have an angled banjo for better brake line entry on the caliper.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,66497.msg730250.html#msg730250
The OEM hose kit for the R32 front brake conversion, a straight fit on the GTI is:
FLEXI HOSE 1K0611701N qty 2
BOLT N10647602 qty 4
SCREW N90948802 qty 4
SCREW N91073301 qty 6
BRACKET 1K0611841A
BRACKET 1K0611842A
SCREW N90718601 qty 2
PIPE 1K0611763A
PIPE 1K0611764A
CLIP 191611715 qty 2
Tried to contact daveb about these lines and some pads a few times but don't get any reply's
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I believe he spends a fair bit of time out of the country. Bear with him. :happy2: