MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: mortygttdi on May 10, 2011, 12:53:07 pm
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Yesterday saw an end to another turbo, just joined the M621 from the inner ring road in Leeds (nr the Porsche garage) got upto the 70mph Pop, Bang, load of smoke, car still running but no power, something went under the car, oil all over the boot.
Turned off at Elland road nr VW Leeds and stopped car, massive oil slick in road, The car was recovered to VW but they have just come back with an initial quote of £1600 so told them not to touch it and the car has already been recovered to my local indy who is going to have a look and see if an hybrid is an option.
There was no warning signs, no noises nothing it just went pop?? also there was no tell tail owl/police siren type noise the only problem I had was it was getting hard to start on a morning but I was putting it down to the EGR cooler.
O well looks like Ill be keeping this car after all, with the addition of an Hybrid turbo :happy2:
Darren
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Gutted to hear this mate. What all modifications did you have on your car. I've just picked up a stock 140 GTTDI and looking to remap it. Thing is I have a fairly noticeable whistle siren already! :sad1: Hope you get it sorted alright.
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very strange to have 3 turbos die, points to an underlying fault. I would send the turbo (or whats left of it) to a specialist to inspect it before refitting another.
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sorry to ehar darren, you havnt had much luck with the turbos at all,
hope hybrid is an option for you, ive got a mate running a bigger turbo on one of these and hes running around 300 bhp
the cloud of smoke he leaves behind when he boots it is unreal
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very strange to have 3 turbos die, points to an underlying fault. I would send the turbo (or whats left of it) to a specialist to inspect it before refitting another.
I'm glad you looked in mate, I'm going to up date this thread has often has poss so ill see if you can help me a bit, The only problem I had was a few month ago I had a small coolant loss but it stopped, then say 3 weeks ago it started playing up when trying to start it, took about 30-40 seconds to start (load of white smoke out the back once started) then it would stutter for a couple of second then it was fine for the rest of the day.
I've spoken to the guy doing it now at SAC in the kippax area of Leeds, usually deals with cossies, subarus and high end audi's(rs4-6) and he has said he getting onto it asap, he's already recovered it from VW 30 minutes after I called him.
So looks like once he has inspected it hopefully go down the hybrid route and see if that last another 2 year.
Ive will be spending too much to sell now so will be keeping it.
Darren
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gutted to hear this darren. It wasnt runnin an Awesome GTI Map was it?
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Sorry to hear this Darren, hope you get a permanent fix without too much cost. At least it sounds like the fella you're going with has genuine interest. I'll follow this thread as I do all your others.
Good luck mate,
Regards,
John
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gutted to hear this darren. It wasnt runnin an Awesome GTI Map was it?
Jay its strange really cos I'm only running a superchips bluefin??? which will be coming off asap :sad1:
Darren
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Hm....i dont know much about remapping but theres a lot less things tuners can play with on a diesel engine like yours (and mine). My understanding is because of that the fueling and boost are the only things that are changed, hence pushing it with the small turbos?
I dunno....but nearly every diesel car ive heard awesome map, they pop a turbo! lol
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very strange to have 3 turbos die, points to an underlying fault. I would send the turbo (or whats left of it) to a specialist to inspect it before refitting another.
I'm glad you looked in mate, I'm going to up date this thread has often has poss so ill see if you can help me a bit, The only problem I had was a few month ago I had a small coolant loss but it stopped, then say 3 weeks ago it started playing up when trying to start it, took about 30-40 seconds to start (load of white smoke out the back once started) then it would stutter for a couple of second then it was fine for the rest of the day.
I've spoken to the guy doing it now at SAC in the kippax area of Leeds, usually deals with cossies, subarus and high end audi's(rs4-6) and he has said he getting onto it asap, he's already recovered it from VW 30 minutes after I called him.
So looks like once he has inspected it hopefully go down the hybrid route and see if that last another 2 year.
Ive will be spending too much to sell now so will be keeping it.
Darren
Sounds like its in good hands. I had one in recently that had a failed turbo, was replaced by a branch of Nationwide autocentre but turbo failed after 3 weeks but they wouln't touch it for some reason. When I looked at it the reason for failure was clear, the turbo oil feed pipe had been twisted near the oil feed union during fitting. Its common practice to fit a replacement oil feed pipe with a new turbo on these but many people dont bother. Also ster clear of 'reconditioned' tubos, most are weakened during the recoditioning process, wont go into detail but shafts are often smaller on a recon turbo. Look at the Turbo Dynamics stg2 Hybrid, I have ran these with 260+bhp and 380+ft/lb with no reliability issues.
I cant see the map being at fault, as all SC stuff is generic so generally quite a soft map.
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Cheers PDT can you tell me what I would need to change in a general round about way regards the hybrid...I'm not after massive power gains I just want it to last,
Also the last turbo which was fitted on the 29-04-2009 was brand new from TPS so shouldn't have been recond?
Darren
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Bloody hell Darren, had a call from Scott earlier who told me about this :surprised:.
Really back luck mate. Hope it gets sorted without incurring too much expense :happy2:
Are you sure you couldn't stand the thought of all the vultures that were circling for bits off your car when you said you were thinking of selling, and sabotaged it (only kidding) :evilgrin:
Hope you get it sorted bud, and look forward to seeing it again at GTI in June :happy2:
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With the hybrid change all gaskets (intake/exhaust/oil in and out of turbo) and the oil feed pipe. :happy2:
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:scared: :sad1:
Sorry to hear Daz'.
Losing power on a fast road isn't pleasant, particularly if you're not in the slow lane!
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mine as also gone as well,i was going to go down the hybrid route but its to much hassle..my turbo was done 2 years ago and only done 6000 miles,it was a new turbo from turbo dynamics--doesn't matter if they are new or recon as they only have 12 months warranty
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Really sorry to hear this has happened mate :surprised:
Hope you can get it sorted soon. If there is any positives to gain from this its that you get to keep that nice car of yours :wink:.
Let us forum folk know if we can help, even if its to give you a spare pair of hands :happy2:
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mine as also gone as well,i was going to go down the hybrid route but its to much hassle..my turbo was done 2 years ago and only done 6000 miles,it was a new turbo from turbo dynamics--doesn't matter if they are new or recon as they only have 12 months warranty
Andy my turbo came from TPS and VW advised that they give a 2yr warranty on there parts unfortunately its 1 week outside :fighting: always the case.
Thanks guys for all the concern I do appreciate it :drinking:
If I decide to keep the car now I will be defo going hybrid if not then Ill just get it fixed with a new turbo and get rid.
Darren
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Hi Darren
Really sorry to hear this about your mean machine. Hope you get it sorted soon without too much hassle and expense.
Can't believe you have gone through 3 turbos
Ed
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Am catching him up Eddie I have had 2 :signLOL:
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If your looking to fix and sell this may be an option:
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Sorry to hear this mate, not such a bad thing keeping her for a while longer..
@Bodger that turbo is for a 170 :happy2:
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I think Oil Starvation might be a likely cause, as Dave says 3 in a row is not right and you should look else where.
Do some research on it Darren as I have read an article somewhere recently, maybe VW Driver or Audi Driver that tells you the common and likely cause.
As for 1 week out of wty I think you've got a reasonable case as long as they don't pin it on oil starvation.
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Again!!
You aren't having much luck at all Darren :sad1:
Fingers crossed you sort the issue :happy2:
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I went through 5 turbos on my gt 140! In a very short space of time! :surprised:
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With the hybrid change all gaskets (intake/exhaust/oil in and out of turbo) and the oil feed pipe. :happy2:
Isnt custom calibration advisable with a hybrid?
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With the hybrid change all gaskets (intake/exhaust/oil in and out of turbo) and the oil feed pipe. :happy2:
Isnt custom calibration advisable with a hybrid?
I would have thought so yes.
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Stu I was actually thinking the exact same thing, only reason I thought it initially was that out of coincidence the oil light came on on Friday so went to VW to get some oil topped it up and thought nothing of it, but just maybe the oil light came on saying there was something else wrong so me topping it up has caused it to overfill???
Bugger!!
Ill get my mech to see if he can check oil starvation.
Cheers guys I'm hoping I get a call today letting me know whats what.
Darren :happy2:
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darren the lad i with the 300bhp golf has a brand new still sealed turbo with the reciets and everything to prove its genuine and new, he put a different turbo on his so if you need a turbo he said he will sell it if you need it.
He wants £400, dont know what that price is like but he said the reciet shows he paid over £600 for it
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Cheers Liver I appreciate that, but they guy doing my car has it stripped down now and called me today with the news :sad1:
He said and I quote "what the hell did you do to it" apparently the turbo is now in 2 halves :surprised: he said he's never seen one actually split in 2 the shaft and impeller where not there :sad1: but the good news is its only taken the intercooler with it.
So new hybrid turbo quote was around £750 - £800 for the turbo and a new intercooler around £250 plus obvious stuff like gaskets and lubes the Cat Converters insides are getting knocked out and mapped out and also once done it will be live mapped to make it strong :happy2:
I'm not after numbers I just want a car that is going to last.
Stu + PDT I asked him to check for oil starvation but he already checked and said it was fine nothing wrong with that,
It should be ready once we can get the turbo in.
Darren :party:
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good news in a round about way
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Surley catastrophic failure like that just one week out of warranty would call for some goodwill payment from the suppliers? Bad luck and hope you get it sorted and back on the road. :driver:
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not if its been mapped though.
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not if its been mapped though.
Exactly VW knew it had been mapped has I had to sign a disclaimer every time I had any thing done there. Although the blown turbo was not done at VW they where prepared to argue the tos with TPS but has I had it mapped they advised it wouldn't be the best way.
I think I will have a better car when it comes back any way so alls well I suppose. If I wasn't thinking of selling the car before the the turbo went an hybrid was on the card at some stage.
Darren
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Really sorry you could have done without the extra expense... will have to follow carefully what route u'll be following as can hear a whistling sound from mine... so might have to follow the hybrid route some time in future if it decides to pack up
Hope it gets resolved quickly
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Only thing is Hafeez I had no warning, the turbo sounded fine the only problem I think I had was the EGR cooler leaking into the exhaust????
Darren
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Cheers Liver I appreciate that, but they guy doing my car has it stripped down now and called me today with the news :sad1:
He said and I quote "what the hell did you do to it" apparently the turbo is now in 2 halves :surprised: he said he's never seen one actually split in 2 the shaft and impeller where not there :sad1: but the good news is its only taken the intercooler with it.
So new hybrid turbo quote was around £750 - £800 for the turbo and a new intercooler around £250 plus obvious stuff like gaskets and lubes the Cat Converters insides are getting knocked out and mapped out and also once done it will be live mapped to make it strong :happy2:
I'm not after numbers I just want a car that is going to last.
Stu + PDT I asked him to check for oil starvation but he already checked and said it was fine nothing wrong with that,
It should be ready once we can get the turbo in.
Darren :party:
If you could ask which emulator they are using to live map, I have 2 EDC16 (type of ecu on your car) emulators, neither are much good!
Also, shaft snapping is usually down to too much boost or oil starvation. Oil starvation shows as wear on the shaft or a blue discolouration from the excess heat.
EGR cooler can leak into the oil and cause the shaft to snap, as can a faulty vnt actuator. Any fault codes stored relating to overboost?
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Could this not be down to something like the oil pump? Low oil pressure makes the oil light come on and this could lead to your oil starvation if that's the cause. Maybe ask him to check oil pressure once all is up and running again.
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Could this not be down to something like the oil pump? Low oil pressure makes the oil light come on and this could lead to your oil starvation if that's the cause. Maybe ask him to check oil pressure once all is up and running again.
Probs Darrn not checking the oil level enough :P
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I only check oil when the light comes on I've not used the car for about 3 weeks so It just went out of my head.
I don't know if anyone knows Steve Tate from SAC in Kippax(it used to be behind the petrol station in Swillington)but he is excellent when it comes to stuff like this so rather than natter at him Ill leave him to it and give him my bank card when its done. Trust in a mechanic is an hard thing to do but trust Steve with my car whole heartedly .
Ill let you all know what happens in the next few days.
Ill ask about the emulators PDT and see what he says?
Cheers
Darren
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I went to see the car today but Steve wasn't there so Ian took me through what was happening and showed me the affected parts that have been replaced.
Any way the turbo is here I'm not sure of the specifics but it did say Garrett on it
The car on the ramp with the steering rack cradle and rack dropped,
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Nice new Hybrid turbo
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And something you don't see often, plus the cradle and intercooler in the back ground.
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Some parts on the floor with the damaged turbo
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Not sure when it will be done cos they are very busy at the moment so maybe late next week?
Darren
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mine and your car looking sorry for them selves sat on the ramps--found out today my turbo was carboned up due to me having it ticking over to long in the winter months while it didn't go any where :ashamed:
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Where not having much luck mate are we?
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Bloody hell you both. If you had pet ducks, they would both have drowned by now. I really hope you boys get these oil burners sorted. It's good to hear a recommendation for your spanner men, too. I'll bear it in mind if I'm ever in need.
Fingers x guys.
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None at all Darren but the turbo going on mine was my fault :signLOL:i was going to go the same route as you but i have decide to put the money towards a new header unit
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Thats a proper job, Darren :surprised:
CR Turbos :happy2:
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Just out of interest, why was the cradle and steering rack removed?
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i was wondering that myself Dave
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I can only think its to get the turbo off, but that can be done by removing just a driveshaft.
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you are right about the drive shaft however on a job as big i think more space would have been the rezon why its only a 2 bolts
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I think it was just so access was better? Both drive shafts are in and he has just taken the cradle and rack out.
Darren
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I only check oil when the light comes on I've not used the car for about 3 weeks so It just went out of my head.
I don't know if anyone knows Steve Tate from SAC in Kippax(it used to be behind the petrol station in Swillington)but he is excellent when it comes to stuff like this so rather than natter at him Ill leave him to it and give him my bank card when its done. Trust in a mechanic is an hard thing to do but trust Steve with my car whole heartedly .
Ill let you all know what happens in the next few days.
Ill ask about the emulators PDT and see what he says?
Cheers
Darren
Yeah I know Steve, He is a good egg, did a stirling job of a rebuild on my mates Cosworth many moons ago and fitted a T35 Rally Spec Turbo to my Cosworth. This was while he was at the Swillington Garage. Haven't seen him for ages, prob since going into newer VAG's which have been in warrenty.
I'll have to call up for a natter with him.
Hope all is well after the work is done for you mate.
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Cheers mate I hope so too. The garage at swilly burnt down apparently something to do with a boiler next door, took a brand new Porsche turbo and a couple of cossie's and scoobies :sad1:
He's still doing the cossies but more into the general stuff now.
Darren
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Hi Darren
Sorry to read about your recent 'episode'!! :surprised: Glad it's all well on the way to recovery!
Hope it all ends up well! :drinking: I think your car didn't fancy a new home just yet!
Paul.
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:party: :party: :party: Going to pick my car up :party: :party: :party:
ill let ya all know what its like when I get back.
Darren
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happy days, hope everything is ok darren
good luck, hope this one lasts
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Now thats a bloody quick turn around hope its all as good if not better than before, is the custom map all done or is that still to come?
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Cheers Liver
Rich mapping has been done today, the car was put back together early this morning then mapped up in the afternoon.
Darren
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Nice one Darren. I'm pleased you're sorted. It made for sorry reading at the beginning!
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So what's the spec/figures now? Nice...
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Jet read this through now Daz! :surprised:
Glad it's now sorted and hopefully your smoking smiling right now! :driver:
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Cheers Nath but no smiles yet, apparently the turbo has an abnormal whistling so Steve is not letting it go until its sorted, will have another turbo on Monday afternoon :sad1:
Low, it might sound strange but I'm not after figures I just want my car back, and the engine to last so I have asked Steve to keep it conservative but strong :happy2: Should be around the 220bhp - 370lb ft??? est, Ill get down to Paul's at RS Tuning when I get chance just to confirm.
Darren
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Not having much luck at all mate!
Lets hope when it's finally done all the agro will be worth it :happy2:
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What clutch /exhaust is on it? Was it dyno tuned?
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PDT I was scared the clutch would be fubared but apparently its fine and is an uprated one from what Steve was saying, the exhaust is a standard GTI but with no cat...this may change very soon?
What would your guestimate be buddy your input would be appreciated :happy2:
Darren
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Well got the car back last week and felt fine for a couple of days, not giving it hell but the car just didn't feel like it used, although it is fast,
I was going to work yesterday and put my foot down a little bit more than previous, I got to around 4k rpm and the car went into limp mode car otherwise was running smooth as but with no turbo??? Any way I pulled over just before getting to work and turned the car off and back on, and it was back to full turbo.
Here is the scan for the fault, no engine light by the way.
Address 01: Engine Labels: 03G-906-016-BKD.lbl
Part No SW: 03G 906 016 FM HW: 028 101 190 3
Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG 6179
Revision: 12345678 Serial number: VWZ7Z0E1377576
Coding: 0000072
Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
VCID: 73EF31EC6B33
2 Faults Found:
16618 - Boost Pressure Regulation: Limit Exceeded (Overboost Condition)
P0234 - 000 - -
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 4410 /min
Torque: 292.0 Nm
Speed: 111.0 km/h
Load: 100.0 %
Voltage: 14.06 V
Bin. Bits: 00001000
Absolute Pres.: 1907.4 mbar
Absolute Pres.: 2590.8 mbar
16485 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70): Implausible Signal
P0101 - 000 - -
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 1680 /min
Torque: 0.0 Nm
Speed: 58.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Duty Cycle: 96.8 %
Bin. Bits: 00001000
Mass Air / Rev.: 285.0 mg/str
Mass Air / Rev.: 610.0 mg/str
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0
I'm going to speak to the garage on Monday and get my money back for the map and ill be then going down to Pauls @ RS Tuning.
Darren
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Not good news mate, hope you get it sorted ASAP!!!
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Why does my name appear in the thread title?
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Why does my name appear in the thread title?
I think Darren is after your help Dave.....
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Sorry to hear this Darren :(
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What sort of power was it making when mapped? Why were you taking it easy with RPM/throttle?
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Dave sorry mate thought I would try and get your attention but needed to document in here just in case it helps any one else :happy2:
Basically the guy who fitted the turbo and applied the map told me to run it in? so I thought I would take it steady and make sure I didn't damage anything. I've just spent £2.5k I don't want it to go again.... :scared:
Any way my mate is best friends with Paul @ RS Tuning so I'm going to call down there tomorrow and get it live mapped, has the map on it is just what has come from S/C modded to take the cat delete into account.
I'm sure you can feel the turbo stalling if your feathering the throttle?
Also today coming home from work on the m/way I was only doing 70/80mph and went to put my foot down in 6th and there was nothing there? I had to drive for another 2-3 mile and then pull over to turn it off and back on? then it was like poo off a shovel.
Darren
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Let's hope its the map you have on now that is causing the issues mate
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Running a turbo in :stupid:
When we do a stage 3 hybrid conversion on these engines we turn the lot round from a stock car to mapped on the Dyno in 3 days, turbos have no contact parts or interference bearings so there is no running in required.
More like 'take it easy to run it in' = it goes into limp mode when given any load so take it easy for a while so the car is plenty far away from us when it a goes tits up.
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As Dave mentions I have never heard of a turbo been run in.When I spoke to turbo dynamics bout the excess oil in the exhaust they told me to go for a good hard drive
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Well had it back in today for Steve to have a look at and we went out with the scan tool and it threw the boost fault code, mass air flowmeter x 2 messages up so the turbo was backing out and stopping and the car was hesiting all over the place.
Took it back to the garage and got it up on the ramps and immediatly found that the pipe coming from the turbo to the large metal boost pipe was split well and truely in 2.
Steve called TPS and got a replacement for it and then went out again and :scared: ho my god this car is a beast :evilgrin: just spits the road out behind it and no smoke :signLOL: so pleased now and happy has a larry whoever he is.
Darren
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Sweeeet, glad you got it sorted out! :happy2:
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Glad its all sorted mate
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Good news mate! :drinking:
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Glad it's sorted and that you can now enjoy it!
Paul.
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Nice one :smiley:
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Result. Ace when car gets a fresh bill of health :happy2:
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At least it was a simple fix :drinking:
Bet you're glad it's all sorted :wink:
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Great news, glad it's all sorted and not at major cost :happy2:
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I had a seal replaced in the intercooler hose and the car felt ace afterwards, simple things eh
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nice 1 Darren, glad its all sorted :happy2: There's nowt worse than gettin stuff done and it not being right
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nice 1 Darren, glad its all sorted :happy2: There's nowt worse than gettin stuff done and it not being right
normally from the dealers :grin:
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simple fixes are great. had a 185hp 2.0 TFSi Leon in last week for a map, dyno tested at 138bhp standard :confused:
Diverter valve was split, so revision D fitted, Map installed and datalogged, settings optimised and result was 247bhp, thats a gain between driving in and back out of 109bhp :grin:
Glad you got there in the end Darren, coming to the dyno day next month?
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At last, That's great :happy2:
Are you taking it down the strip at Inters now :jumping:
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Just had a drive of the beast and feck me holy no smoke this thing is just crazy fast!!!
I now want my turbo to go too :stupid:
Darren mate you have a crazy but amazing car now!!!
:driver:
Cheers
Scott
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Glad it all sorted :smiley:
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John won't be on the strip mate? but Dave Ill be at your place for the RR :happy2: I can't beleive the amount of smoke out the back of this thing :evilgrin: nothing at all I was expecting loads of the black stuff but nadda.
Darren
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Darren: what's the mpg like with twin turbo
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Glad its all finally sorted mate :happy2:
Looking forward to seeing some figures.
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Ed still only single turbo mate, but the mpg is or seams better getting about 40pmg around town where I was getting arounf 35mpg,
I would presume has the turbo is not has stressed and it takes less for the engine to get to the speed you desire its not using has much fuel???
Maybe later on in the year i'm going to save for the milltek :happy2:
Darren