MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Technical Workshop => Topic started by: duncan on April 10, 2009, 10:07:59 pm
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just wondering how much it would cost to get this fitted by my local dealers?
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About £80 for labour and roughly £250-£300 for the cluster...they will not replace with second hand clusters.
Darren
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wow - didnt realise the cluster was so expensive
probably not worth it unless i go for the RNS-510
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......Yep, I was quoed £400. Expensive when they fitted cruise and sensors for under that.
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......Yep, I was quoed £400. Expensive when they fitted cruise and sensors for under that.
Sensors?
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^ Parking Sensors is what I guess he means...
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^ Parking Sensors is what I guess he means...
lol - that makes sense :rolleye:
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do all VW dealers retrofit? I am wanting to do this! aparently the whole dash has to be taken out!..????
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yep on the button.
^ Parking Sensors is what I guess he means...
lol - that makes sense :rolleye:
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do all VW dealers retrofit? I am wanting to do this! aparently the whole dash has to be taken out!..????
some do some may not, heres a bit of a clue to whats involved http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?&id=3604801&postid=44436951#44436951
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that looks intense, hope an apprentice doesn't have a go at it!! I'd want the top dog on the job!!
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im quite interested in this as well, my golf which is supposed to be an SE has no MFD!! any clues on part numbers?
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Ive had the dealers retrofit the highline clocks.
it really is an easy 20 min job for them!
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Ive had the dealers retrofit the highline clocks.
it really is an easy 20 min job for them!
and how much did that cost any pics before or after?
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the link 182_blue provided shows it being fitted, doesn't look a 20 min job what so ever!!!! :surprised:
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no not at all, does amaze me that my car is supposed to be a 1.9 tdi se, when there's not really anything special about it! a multifunction display would set it off im sure!
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Let me clear a few things up.
That "how to" that was posted.....now....
Highline clocks (without sat nav) had a compass unit, which was located in a pig of a place. That's what the majority of the how to talks about. And that's what your all looking at and cringing.
I decided not to install the compass unit because of four reasons:
1. The work needed to fit this far outweighs the benefits of fitting. all it does it is show a compass on the dash.
2. I was going to be fitting this with a sat nav unit (RNS-510 to be accurate) Now a VW satnav whatever the unit will have a compass built in, giving the compass display on the highline dash.
3. fitting the Compass unit in the Satnav along with the compass unit detailed in this How to can cause unwanted "traffic" in the can bus system. this has been reported to slow down delivery of information on the canbus system due to conflicting data. It wont cause a massive problem, but just make buttons a bit sluggish etc.
4. it will probably cost £60 or so to buy the compass module and associated wiring looms.
Right so now thats cleared up, here comes how to swap the clocks.
its so easy my girlfriend could do it!
First up, move the steering wheel as far down and as far out as it will go.
Pull out the top covering clip above the steering wheel. (its the bit below the clock attached to a bit of leather) after you have removed that you can...
..unscrew the two torx screws you will now see. then its just a case of pulling the clocks out. its pretty tight there so wiggling it will work! ;)
hope this helps clear a few things up..
thats why i said it would only take 20 mins tops for a good VW tech guy to swap and code a highline clock
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Pretty much what JPC said. The clock swap itself is a 20 minute job (the steering wheel doesn't even need to be removed), and then the new clocks and existing key fobs need to be re-programmed.
The actual clock swap as JPC said can be done by anyone who can remove 2 screws (that's all that holds the clocks in). The difficult bit is the programming, and this either needs to be done by a stealer or someone who knows what they are doing with VAG Commander.
I know the above as fact, as I gave Darren (mortygttdi) a set of highline clocks and he sucessfully fitted them himself, including the programming (Darren has VAG Commander). I've seen Darren and his car a few times since and the clocks are working perfectly, and as he has an MFD2 fitted again as JPC said, he even has the compass arrow in the highline display. So no messing around with compass modules required, which vastly reduces the steps in the posted DIY. :happy2:
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i have vag commander too but the newer clocks are bullet proof! up until about 2007 clocks, you should be ok. but anything after that its a vw job.
the dealer should only charge about 50 quid for fitting, but make sure you tell them you know how much of an easy job it is! ;) so when they say its 159 quid or something daft just for fitting tell them to jog on!
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So when am I going to get a chance to do your highline swap Andrew?? :wink: :happy2: The version of Vag commander that I have will only do clusters upto march 2006 once the new builds started to come in the cluster had a different security procedure so V/C couldn't retreive the SKC pin :surprised: The new version of V/C is able to get past this but upto now I've not been able to get hold of it, YET
Darren
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Hi Darren,
As soon as funds will allow mate. Just paid for our holiday later this year, and my car insurance is due end of this month so currently a little skint.
But soon .....
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So when am I going to get a chance to do your highline swap Andrew?? :wink: :happy2: The version of Vag commander that I have will only do clusters upto march 2006 once the new builds started to come in the cluster had a different security procedure so V/C couldn't retreive the SKC pin :surprised: The new version of V/C is able to get past this but upto now I've not been able to get hold of it, YET
Darren
I may be interested in swapping my clocks at some point soon darren if you think you can help!
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depends where you are mate? but if not too far then yep no problem.
darren
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im in leicester, do i have to put in the rns510 to have the highline can i ask? my golf only has the standard cd player and no mfd, and im not sure want an mfd2 is lol
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Tom,
The choice of headunit has absolutely nothing to do with the dash display insert. You can have an RNS510 fitted with a low line or midline display, or have an RCD300 (standard CD unit) fitted with Highline. It's totally up to you.
The only thing that Highline gives you if you have either the MFD or RNS units is another menu in the dash insert which would display for example, the radio Station (if you are in radio mode) or the track no (if in CD mode). It would also allow the MFSW (if you have it) to control track skip using the right up and down buttons on the MFSW.
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Tom,
The choice of headunit has absolutely nothing to do with the dash display insert. You can have an RNS510 fitted with a low line or midline display, or have an RCD300 (standard CD unit) fitted with Highline. It's totally up to you.
The only thing that Highline gives you if you have either the MFD or RNS units is another menu in the dash insert which would display for example, the radio Station (if you are in radio mode) or the track no (if in CD mode). It would also allow the MFSW (if you have it) to control track skip using the right up and down buttons on the MFSW.
Also gives you NAV directions and a compass, it gives an expansive convenience menu that can be set (like how bright do you want the floor lighting, or mirror adjustment, door unlocking schemes etc..) and better explainations of warnings (such as bulb failures)
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You do get the convenience menu but not all of the functions will show unless you have the full highline CCM module i.e on my retro fit i can only change the lighting, 3 flash indicators and winter wheels and clock time...other stuff like the alarm and locks are not on there I think that menu is some thing like ATA???
MARK_GTIV would you be able to take a photo of the highline menu's you have and if you have VCDS could you get the part number of your CCM cos im quite sure it will be different to the CCM that I have although possibly both highline modules there differ slightly in there functions.
Darren
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i thought about putting the rns510 in but i have a tomtom so its not really necessary though i may do it for future resale (if any!), another question, how do i scroll through the settings in the highline display as my right wiper stork has no buttons on its side?
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MARK_GTIV would you be able to take a photo of the highline menu's you have and if you have VCDS could you get the part number of your CCM cos im quite sure it will be different to the CCM that I have although possibly both highline modules there differ slightly in there functions.
Darren
Certainly.. here they are... sorry for all the photos, there were a few menus :fighting2:
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cheers mark :happy2: looking at that its just the convenience menu I have not got so i presume the convenience module it different??? looks like some thing else for my list of things to-do
Darren
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MARK that looks very sweet how much would it cost to have that in mine?
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Hi Tom,
I've no idea, I spec'd it when I ordered the car, IIRC it was an extra 50 Euro.
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probably just under 500quid for highline from the dealers
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£500 dont sound too bad, how much would your charge darren?
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If you can get hold of the right cluster then Ill do the coding for nothing mate.
Darren
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its all about finding a highline clock that will work.
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its all about finding a highline clock that will work.
how do you mean?
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The early highline modules up to about 2005/2006 could be programmed independantly of a dealer as long as you had a fully working VAG Commander (as Darren has). You need this to be able to extract the SKC (immobiliser code) from you existing cluster and transfer it to the new along with the mileage.
Later versions of the cluster had a revised security method which most VAG Commanders can't access. So although you could buy a new cluster from a dealer, you couldn't program it. Even the dealers themselves now don't see your SKC code apparently when they perform the upgrade, as it's electronically transmitted by their VAS equipment straight from Germany and into the cluster via the VAS. The only option on the later cars is to have a dealer fit it (if you can pursuade them).
I was lucky and found a highline from a 2005 breaker car (same year as mine) with the correct part number from fleabay for the silly price of £20. I then proceeded to donate it to Darren for his car :signIWS:
(only kidding Darren :happy2:)
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Great thread guys.
I did a cluster swap on my Golf MK5 from a lowline to a midline (last part of number was 950L, now it's 960L). Ever since, I have been looking at getting a second hand highline cluster but haven't seen the next part number in sequence (a 970L) pop up anywhere. Now if I was to try a 971K or 972L etc would that work as long as I could get the SKC and the replacement cluster was pre-2006? Or would it screw something up? This way I'd be a lot less restricted and would have more chance of upgrading.
Thanks.
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971B is the next in sequence there is a guy on german ebay who does new 2005 clusters with no mileage and the skc code he roughly charges about £100 plus your postage on top, im not sure of his name but I have spoke to him before.
Darren
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Thanks for the reply Darren. I understand that 970L (highline cluster) is the natural successor to mine (being the 960L). Do you think the 971B would work in my car...or any other highline from around that time (2004-2005), or are there inherent electronic differences that I am not aware of (why the heck do they keep changing the cluster part numbers with time?).
If you remember the user name of the german guy, please let us know. Sounds very interesting! Thanks.
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Yeah, I'd be interested in one them to Darren if you can remember his name ? Needs to be in MPH though not KM :happy2:
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I will have a look on my emails when i get home from work in the morning. there is actually 2 sellers who supply the clusters so will see what i can find
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what should i be looking for if i want to upgrade my lowline display im not sure of its part number how do i find it?
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does anyone here know whether this could work in my 04 tdi?
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can i just bump this thread, i need some help with a cluster i might be buying
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Ridiculous as it may seem, this seems to be the most informative Highline retrofit thread I can find.
Would Darren (or anyone) be able to pop round and swap the 2005 Highline in my current GTI to the 2007 ED30 I am likely to be buying in the next few days? I doubt your average Autotrader buyer will care on such a cheap car anyway.
Failing that, how much is a highline display which will be compatible with the 2007 ED30 likely to be?
Does this whole swapover cause the mileage reading to show as 'tampered' with or anything like that?
Cheers
Matt
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Matt the equipment I have cannot swap an older dash cluster into anything above 2006 06 plate. Ben @ Shark performance or HazzyDayz is your best bet for any thing above an 06 plate.
Darren
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Thanks mate...
Could you swap a brand spanking new one in by any chance?
Regards
Matt
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Only if its a cluster that is before September 2006, before it would have gone to a 56 plate...(should have end number before 972?
You can still get older clusters from the dealers they just have new stickers over the old ones.
Darren
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Only if its a cluster that is before September 2006, before it would have gone to a 56 plate...(should have end number before 972?
You can still get older clusters from the dealers they just have new stickers over the old ones.
Darren
Thanks mate,
And presumeably a dealer could swap any in?
Matt
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yep dealer can swap any over they just don't like doing it?
Darren